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All Time Premier League Fantasy Draft - R1: Skizzo/Pat vs Tuppet
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Sorry, I meant any of the other manager/assistant combos, given it's only one vote per 'team'.
Oh yeah.. me and MJJ both voted for Tuppet!
I voted skizxo not sure on diarm, wasn't aware of a 1 vote per combo rule?
Without someone to link between Yorke and Cole and Petit and Xabi I think Skiz will see more of the ball. With that in mind:
With enough of the ball that front four of Skiz's will score. It's much better with Kewell stretching horizontally on the left allowing Juninho and Ronaldo to switch positions (I seem to remember Juninho playing mostly on the right). Having more of the ball will suit Saha as in a more defensive setup as a lone striker doesn't suit him as his hold up play is awful - I remember naming him Teflon Louis because of it. That said his goal scoring record is poor he only scored 20 goals in one league season but problematically 13 were for Fulham and 7 were for United (we signed him in the January transfer window). Obviously the most likely goalscorer is Ronaldo- Cole is an excellent defender but since he'll cut in and switch and then face Koscielny who I'm not the biggest fan of. Kewell may create the odd chance but Berg was a very good defensive right back, better than Gallas who was always far better as a CB. That said the lack of a proper threat down the left means Gallas won't have many problems.
If Tuppet can get it forward Yorke and Cole will cause problems even for Desially and Campbell. The argument that it's not the Utd Cole and Yorke doesn't matter, it's a clear poacher creator combo and Cole was at his peak at Newcastle. Wayne Bridge was never brilliant so Anderton may get some joy. The biggest problem for Tuppet is the lack of a quality player on the left and more of a box-to-box in the middle. I'm a huge Nani fan but it is criminal to play him on the left in a 442 it basically lobotomised him as a player. I really thought Tuppet would choose between Anderton and Nani but went with both. Annoyingly he has an obvious solution to the problem - Mata. Drop Anderton , play Nani right and have Mata reprise his Valencia role on the left. Now he didn't often play there for Chelsea but he skill set is clearly set-up for it (it's not older vs later Scholes) and it is a fantasy draft. This would then bring peak Nani in and provide a link between Petit and Xabi and Yorke and Cole- Cashley could then be instructed to get forward more (he was better at that than people give him credit at Chelsea). He would then control the game and probably win. Petit and Xabi are far better than Gilberto and Arteta.
Even if he brought on Mata though I think the game has gone to far for him to come back.
Skiz would win 2-1.
With enough of the ball that front four of Skiz's will score. It's much better with Kewell stretching horizontally on the left allowing Juninho and Ronaldo to switch positions (I seem to remember Juninho playing mostly on the right). Having more of the ball will suit Saha as in a more defensive setup as a lone striker doesn't suit him as his hold up play is awful - I remember naming him Teflon Louis because of it. That said his goal scoring record is poor he only scored 20 goals in one league season but problematically 13 were for Fulham and 7 were for United (we signed him in the January transfer window). Obviously the most likely goalscorer is Ronaldo- Cole is an excellent defender but since he'll cut in and switch and then face Koscielny who I'm not the biggest fan of. Kewell may create the odd chance but Berg was a very good defensive right back, better than Gallas who was always far better as a CB. That said the lack of a proper threat down the left means Gallas won't have many problems.
If Tuppet can get it forward Yorke and Cole will cause problems even for Desially and Campbell. The argument that it's not the Utd Cole and Yorke doesn't matter, it's a clear poacher creator combo and Cole was at his peak at Newcastle. Wayne Bridge was never brilliant so Anderton may get some joy. The biggest problem for Tuppet is the lack of a quality player on the left and more of a box-to-box in the middle. I'm a huge Nani fan but it is criminal to play him on the left in a 442 it basically lobotomised him as a player. I really thought Tuppet would choose between Anderton and Nani but went with both. Annoyingly he has an obvious solution to the problem - Mata. Drop Anderton , play Nani right and have Mata reprise his Valencia role on the left. Now he didn't often play there for Chelsea but he skill set is clearly set-up for it (it's not older vs later Scholes) and it is a fantasy draft. This would then bring peak Nani in and provide a link between Petit and Xabi and Yorke and Cole- Cashley could then be instructed to get forward more (he was better at that than people give him credit at Chelsea). He would then control the game and probably win. Petit and Xabi are far better than Gilberto and Arteta.
Even if he brought on Mata though I think the game has gone to far for him to come back.
Skiz would win 2-1.
So it evens out since diarm also voted for skizzo...
he already voted for skizzo
It's in the OP of the draft thread. My AM has already voted so I'm holding off here.
A few points to reiterate.
Midfield Advantage:
The price Tuppet pays for fielding Yorke and Cole is a numerical disadvantage in midfield, worsened by the fact that Alonso isn't the most mobile midfielder. We have a great defensive shield in Gilberto, an excellent, creative passer with Arteta, and a livewire of a playmaker in Juninho with all the movement ahead of him that he could wish for.
Tuppet's disadvantage here has been exacerbated by his tactical instructions which have fluctuated pretty wildly, starting off with attempting to replicate the Keane/Scholes midfield of 1999 and now apparently sitting deep instead. If that's the case, Yorke and Cole are going to be far more isolated thanthey were at Utd, especially as Nani/Anderton is a clear step down in quality from Beckham/Giggs. Have we pointed out that this isn't the Utd incarnation of the Yorke/Cole partnership yet?
Kewell:
He doesn't seem to be getting an awful lot of appreciation here but he was an incredible talent around the turn of the millenium. Injuries and a less than perfect attitude sent his career into a downward spiral after his first season at Liverpool, but at Leeds he was exceptional. Wiki lists him as notching 10 goals and 13 assists in 36 PL games in 99-00 and 14 goals and 7 assists in 31 PL games in 2002-03. The veracity of Wiki's assists counts is dubious at times but he was a very productive player during his Leeds peak and capable of the sublime:
Midfield Advantage:
The price Tuppet pays for fielding Yorke and Cole is a numerical disadvantage in midfield, worsened by the fact that Alonso isn't the most mobile midfielder. We have a great defensive shield in Gilberto, an excellent, creative passer with Arteta, and a livewire of a playmaker in Juninho with all the movement ahead of him that he could wish for.
Tuppet's disadvantage here has been exacerbated by his tactical instructions which have fluctuated pretty wildly, starting off with attempting to replicate the Keane/Scholes midfield of 1999 and now apparently sitting deep instead. If that's the case, Yorke and Cole are going to be far more isolated thanthey were at Utd, especially as Nani/Anderton is a clear step down in quality from Beckham/Giggs. Have we pointed out that this isn't the Utd incarnation of the Yorke/Cole partnership yet?
Kewell:
He doesn't seem to be getting an awful lot of appreciation here but he was an incredible talent around the turn of the millenium. Injuries and a less than perfect attitude sent his career into a downward spiral after his first season at Liverpool, but at Leeds he was exceptional. Wiki lists him as notching 10 goals and 13 assists in 36 PL games in 99-00 and 14 goals and 7 assists in 31 PL games in 2002-03. The veracity of Wiki's assists counts is dubious at times but he was a very productive player during his Leeds peak and capable of the sublime:
Is there anyway to remove my vote?
There used to be an 'unvote' option but they might have removed it now?
Even ctp and Viva voted for Tuppet so someone really needs to sort this out and come up with correct voting numbers
It looks like it evens out then unless I'm missing someone?
CTP/Viva and MJJ/Crappy voted Tuppet
Diarm/Danny and Sjor/Physiocrat voted Skizzo
Going forward we probably need a list of who the assistant managers are.
Looks even as far as the ones I can identify go. But there were some who picked up (or at least announced) an AM pretty late in the process (as LVG would say) – and I don't remember who they were.
List def. needed.
List def. needed.
There's also that grey area with the quasi-AMs - i.e. the folk who are enlisted to offer some advice and are kept involved in that sort of retainer capacity. Not quite AMs, not quite completely impartial either.
You can remove your own vote if required
Didn't know it either. So only one per team can vote? How can we decide it? I don't see the reasoning in that rule. AMs votes aren't influenced or shouldn't be influenced by who they want to meet next, so why not have their votes count like everybody?
Edit: for exmaple, I just saw that me and ctp both voted for Tuppet, had no idea he did it, nor do I think he did it because he didn't want Skizzo on the next round. Now I should cancel my vote? Why? And what should we have done if he voted Skizzo and me Tuppet? than who should cancel his vote?
Edit: for exmaple, I just saw that me and ctp both voted for Tuppet, had no idea he did it, nor do I think he did it because he didn't want Skizzo on the next round. Now I should cancel my vote? Why? And what should we have done if he voted Skizzo and me Tuppet? than who should cancel his vote?
i thought AM votes dont count only when its your game.....dont see why would we "ban" someone for voting in the other game
i thought AM votes dont count only when its your game.....dont see why would we "ban" someone for voting in the other game
Yeah, I didn't know about that rule until near the end of the last draft and I'm unsure about the logic behind it.
@Pat_Mustard most of those clips is him from the left lol
He's playing on the left now mate. I posted a bunch of good clips of him playing from the right wing on the first or second page, and I don't think it was commented on once!EDIT: Including a beauty of a performance where he roasted both Cole and Ferdinand on the right wing, albeit in an international match.
EDIT 2: Feck it, even though he's on the left wing now, I'll post it again anyway as it does give a nice example of his overall quality and competency against these defenders.
0:48 and 5:10 are the juiciest bits.
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EDIT: Including a beauty of a performance where he roasted both Cole and Ferdinand on the right wing, albeit in an international match.
EDIT 2: Feck it, even though he's on the left wing now, I'll post it again anyway as it does give a nice example of his overall quality and competency against these defenders.
0:48 and 5:10 are the juiciest bits.
oh well, seems like a goner now. For what its worth, I think Nani is getting a really rough deal here, its like he never played on left or is invisible and left me with a man less. Anyway as a last throw of dice, Nani comes off for Mata, who is in a David Silva like role. So from left I have a wide playmaker and from right a classic right winger who would stretch the pitch.
Great move Tuppet. It's how you should have started (though I'd have taken Anderton off). Unfortunately its too late in the game for me to change my vote
Congratulations @Skizzo @Pat_Mustard , it was a great game. Well done on drafting a fantastic team, which is almost final ready.
Cheers mate and well played. I really wasn't happy when I saw the draw as your team is easily one of the best in the competition, and this was deservedly a really close match.
Cheers mate. Great game yourself. Wasn't happy with the draw at all, amazing team you have that we would have liked to avoided
Great debating with you too
I've never had to write so much in a match before @VivaJanuzaj @Gio @Šjor Bepo @crappycraperson @dannymc1309
And any other managers that were wondering
Originally I had it as one vote per team, just to avoid any "tactical" voting. I forget which draft first had that, but it made sense to me at the time. That being said, if all managers/participants are ok with there not being a vote restriction like that, I have no problem amending it.
And any other managers that were wondering
Originally I had it as one vote per team, just to avoid any "tactical" voting. I forget which draft first had that, but it made sense to me at the time. That being said, if all managers/participants are ok with there not being a vote restriction like that, I have no problem amending it.
Tough luck Tuppet, fantastic effort and a very bad draw, unfortunately. I guess this was your first draft? A welcome addition, hope to see you playing again.
Congrats, SkizzoPat, you'll be a strong one going forward.
Congrats, SkizzoPat, you'll be a strong one going forward.
His first draft in the mains, though he won the criteria draft that I hosted in newbies (against Sjor)
Doesn't make sense at all. Why stop AM from voting in matches their team is not involved in. Can understand in Semi's, but not in R1.
Great job @Tuppet Hard luck on the draw. Brilliant opener. Keep playing!
Congrats @Skizzo @Pat_Mustard!
I can see the rationale behind it, but probably best to keep it simple and remove the restriction.@VivaJanuzaj @Gio @Šjor Bepo @crappycraperson @dannymc1309
And any other managers that were wondering
Originally I had it as one vote per team, just to avoid any "tactical" voting. I forget which draft first had that, but it made sense to me at the time. That being said, if all managers/participants are ok with there not being a vote restriction like that, I have no problem amending it.
Same here. While the proliferation of AMs calls for more caution with voting and arguing rights, it's not like result-engineering has much relevance these days. It was a lot more difficult to stay impartial back when you picked from your opponent and not a common pool. I distinctly remember once being in two minds in a game because there was a player I really really wanted but if he lost in that game the other team was unlikely to pick him up and he would be out of the draft for good. I think I ended up "forgetting to vote" despite being more into the game than either manager
You don't want all this messy invalid votes stuff blurring the picture. Just ask @Thisistheone he spent an entire semifinal thinking he was leading when he was actually behind, and anyone on the fence or thinking it was a draw was naturally inclined to vote against Tito... as I sat there watching and rubbing my hands with glee
BTW, great game @Tuppet, you really finished that draft strongly, if only you had picked a bit more quality in the early rounds...
Thanks guys, really enjoyed this one, looking forward to the next one.
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Yeah, it was sad to see the my number 5 pick Mata could not even start the game. I had 4-2-3-1 formation in mind, with Mata in hole and Nani in right wing, but then Yorke came along and I could not found a good left winger for 4-4-2. In hindsight I should have picked some good attacking player in at least one of my first 4 picks. As good as Cashley is, fullbacks don't really win you the game. I mean in the beginning Henning Berg almost did a job on Cristiano
.Thanks guys, really enjoyed this one, looking forward to the next one.
Yeah, it was sad to see the my number 5 pick Mata could not even start the game. I had 4-2-3-1 formation in mind, with Mata in hole and Nani in right wing, but then Yorke came along and I could not found a good left winger for 4-4-2. In hindsight I should have picked some good attacking player in at least one of my first 4 picks. As good as Cashley is, fullbacks don't really win you the game. I mean in the beginning Henning Berg almost did a job on Cristiano
Was just going to write it. You'd have been a favorite if it wasn't because you went for that Petit-Alonso-Mata midfield(which was great btw) and then decided to go for the Cole/Yorke partnership. I thought it shone through very clearly that your midfield was tailor-made for a midfield trio and one piece was missing.
Yorke and Cole was brilliant though. Both had very high individual peaks outside of United, both did it for smaller clubs and most importantly they were always going to be picked very late. Can only imagine the team you would have built if you had it in mind from the start.
Thanks guys, really enjoyed this one, looking forward to the next one.
Yeah, it was sad to see the my number 5 pick Mata could not even start the game. I had 4-2-3-1 formation in mind, with Mata in hole and Nani in right wing, but then Yorke came along and I could not found a good left winger for 4-4-2. In hindsight I should have picked some good attacking player in at least one of my first 4 picks. As good as Cashley is, fullbacks don't really win you the game. I mean in the beginning Henning Berg almost did a job on Cristiano
That Ronaldo vs Berg debate almost became my Gary Kelly moment.
Yeah I liked the Petit/Alonso combo, well balanced and had it myself in the last Prem draft. Just needed the right third man to make it work.Thanks guys, really enjoyed this one, looking forward to the next one.
Yeah, it was sad to see the my number 5 pick Mata could not even start the game. I had 4-2-3-1 formation in mind, with Mata in hole and Nani in right wing, but then Yorke came along and I could not found a good left winger for 4-4-2. In hindsight I should have picked some good attacking player in at least one of my first 4 picks. As good as Cashley is, fullbacks don't really win you the game. I mean in the beginning Henning Berg almost did a job on Cristiano