In my mind I always see David's playing besides someone who will sit in the DM position, like Deschamps. Yaya isnt anywhere near his best as a sitting DM either IMO, in fact he's a better AM than DM probably.
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In my mind I always see David's playing besides someone who will sit in the DM position, like Deschamps. Yaya isnt anywhere near his best as a sitting DM either IMO, in fact he's a better AM than DM probably.
Go with Davids ahead of Seedorf mate. You are playing against Zidane, who better to be at it than someone who knows all about him?
No one will have a clue who Voronin is. I still wonder if that quip on paceme playing Andrei Voronin and Maynor Figueroa didn't have an element of truth in it.
You can pick Matthaus after if you go through so having prioritised your attack ain't too shabby.
But he is still very good in the holding role, superb there for Barca anyway.
Still not sure about this one, bare with me - and any other opinions are welcome
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Definitely what I am leaning towards at the moment - unless I can have Makelele's nationality as Zaire, his place of birth?
I'd go with Davids and Toure. My views on Davids are clear and Toure was excellent anchoring the Barcelona midfield during the first half of the Guardiola era.
I hold a similar opinion to you, Gio. One of those players who had a particular aura about him when I was growing up.
My final pick - Edgar Davids
My final pick - Edgar Davids
Another thing, Toure is going to be shattered after 75mins!
Definitely what I am leaning towards at the moment - unless I can have Makelele's nationality as Zaire, his place of birth?
No, sorry
Further, if you picked Matthaus it would surely be to bench Yaya and as your primary enforcer, which leaves you with the option of playing either Davids or Seedorf as you see fit.
It's a no-brainer really.
Not sure about that part. I don't rate Yaya and Davids very highly. So an unknown name isn't a reason to vote against a team while known but not rated highly might be a problem. Just a thought, maybe I'm totally wrong about it, you certainly have more experience about the voting.
Though, still baffling me how Yaya is seen in England. I'd rate Voronin/Seedorf higher than Davids/Yaya, which are both options right now, if I'm not mistaken?
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ah I'm too late, anyway.
No, sorry
Further, if you picked Matthaus it would surely be to bench Yaya and as your primary enforcer, which leaves you with the option of playing either Davids or Seedorf as you see fit.
It's a no-brainer really.
Too much forward planning, Davids and Toure will be outclassed by Matthaus and Xavi meaning it will be difficult for him to progress.
Voronin and Matthaus, Matthaus and Seedorf, or Matthaus and Yaya are all options just as good as Matthaus and David's anyway IMO.
Good job I've got Seedorf/Makelele/Gazza on the bench then!
Pretty happy to get Platini,Puskas and Davids in, left me with something like this:
In practice probably right but I can't see people having any time for someone they don't know if pitting his wits against Zidane.
In voting terms Davids-Seedorf would be best but can't be done. Fergus does raise a good point re: Yaya lasting. That could have a real impact.
Yaya will have no problem lasting if he's playing the holding role and lets Davids be the box to box midfielder.
Good job I've got Seedorf/Makelele/Gazza on the bench then!
Pretty happy to get Platini,Puskas and Davids in, left me with something like this:
You can't be substituting Platini though, it's an insult!
Alongside someone like Matthaus, I reckon Seedorf would be overly attacking minded. He's used to playing with a couple of more defensively-inclined midfielders and I don't recall him doing much anchoring himself. It's different when he's in front of a pure-centre-back-in-midfield type like Makelele and alongside another centre-mid in Gascoigne as there's a better overall balance there. But Matthaus is the best box-to-box of his breed and the only situation you'd want him anchoring a midfield is if playing alongside the best players of all time (e.g. Maradona, Platini, Zico) or to deal with an opposing creative threat (e.g. Maradona in '86).
That's my issue, if he is restricted to that role then he is nowhere near one of the best of all time at doing that, not even close. I know not all positions can be accounted for to the fullest but passing up on a great like Voronin to play someone who's peak form wasn't even in that position isnt right. I'll repeat, Toure is a better AM than he is a DM.
Thus, Voronin would be best?
Real-life vs. voting mate. At this stage you have to start being realistic unless you have fundamental issues with it. e.g. Aldo reckoned Batistuta could be a vote winner upfront, but he quite simply doesn't fit my side AT ALL. I would be embarrassed to argue otherwise.
Davids being able to do a job on Zidane? Sure, no problem. Would Voronin be better? Definitely, particularly considering that you could play Seedorf instead of Yaya. But we have no indication anyone is aware of him. The way paceme used him he was one of a zillion chaps congesting a midfield, can't read whether there was any appreciation for him.
Yeah, those pesky 'quick glance' voters, the draft would be better without them!
I can say that now that I'm out!
Yes. From a strict quality perspective you' want Voronin ahead of Toure. The fact Voronin is available despite his qualities testifies to the fact, from a voting perspective, he's not gonna curry a lot of favour.
I'm reluctant to go with Voronin because you can't expect the voters to have knowledge of 1950s football - also I have to admit to not knowing him so how can I then justify having him in my team...
Yaya may be better in AM however that doesn't take away from the fact that he can be a top defensive midfield player, its where he made his name, helping Barca to the Champions League whilst playing there. And don't worry - he will be under strict constrictions to not burst forward and therefore will not need replacing too!
To give Yaya a rest he would need to sub out Platini
That would be the sort of Davids-ahead-of-Rivaldo decision that would cost a manager his draft title.
Agree with that, but I doubt Voronin would have won him any votes, and it goes against his philosophy of picking names everyone's familiar with.
I would have stuck with Makalele personally up against Zidane but I'm not sure what other choices he had when picking Platini.
It's a double edged sword really. Batistuta would have done the job for the quick glance voters and ones who are his fans but would have been equally poor for the ones involved in the match discussions and the draft as they would easily see him being completely out of place in that team.
Perhaps, and I do think you're probably right that he is not appreciated, but those DMs that have gone before him are brilliant players, no real shame in being picked after them.
From my point of view, I know that David's or Toure wouldn't be a sitting DM, no amount of arguing will change that for me. I also know that Voronin would be great for the role, but even if I knew nothing about him, I would probably just assume he was suitable because of everything that has been said about him and wouldn't have any of my own opinions to counter the claim.
That was a real tough one, but it just felt ridiculous passing up Platini, who was one of the best players in the draft - especially when it became apparent that Gascoigne wasn't popular amongst voters.
As Anto said, I'm happy with Davids, his energy will give Zidane a good battle, having played with him for so many years he will know his game.
Yeah, those pesky 'quick glance' voters, the draft would be better without them!
I can say that now that I'm out!
In fairness, it would be really boring without them, the more the merrier. It requires pandering to the masses to some degree, but there's always enough participating managers/former managers/knowledgeable posters around keeping it grounded anyway. It's only really a minority of random voters that bring about true 100% "WTF?" moments.
You can throw a few grating curveballs here and there, conveniently omit information (and cross your fingers that no one will bring it up), but there's no way you can bullshit your way to a win over 24 hours. No chance.
Exactly what I thought. Better someone unknown than someone known as not good enough. You could big him up in your player profiles and no one could really argue against him and I can't really see it having a more negative impact than Davids and Yaya against Matthäus, Xavi and Zidane. How the hell is this going to work? Yaya is so far out of his depth, imo.
That would be the sort of Davids-ahead-of-Rivaldo decision that would cost a manager his draft title.
Don't I know it! I'm still positive one of Forlán or Zidane was good enough to tear a new one into Gary Kelly, but hey!
Mate, I do rate Davids, I just couldn't see him keeping up, honest. Sure, I threw that comment about him becoming a monster because he looked cool in X-man glasses but that's the sort of shit you do just to piss off the other manager and keep him away from focusing on the important stuff
BTW, your entire defence, gone. Your entire forward line bar Platini, gone. Only him, Xavi and Davids in a last ditch desperate pick have made it. I wasn't too far off when saying people shouldn't be fooled by a few fancy names and should be asking question about all the other players scattered around them.
Yeah think you're spot on here.
Every time I saw Voronin's name, my mind went back to that porn star wannabe footballer that played for Liverpool.
Well it's all about votes at the moment so the fact many of my players didn't make it proves little. Here's the split in any case:
1. Beckenbauer 2. Eusebio 3. Didi 4. Krol 5. Zanetti 6. Kocsis 7. Vidic 8. Shesternyov 9. Pirri 10. Czibor 11. Pfaff 12. Ocwirk 13. Costacurta
1. Duncan Edwards 2. Garrincha 3. Muller 4. Luis Suárez 5. Meazza 6. Schmeichel 7. Rui Costa 8. Nasazzi 9. Chumpitaz 10. Zebec 11. Monti 12. Suurbier 13. Quincoces
1. Ronaldo 2. Maldini 3. Deschamps 4. Gento 5. Stam 6. Law 7. Deco 8. Janes 9. Augusto 10. Peters 11. Giles 12. Gamarra 13. Fillol
1. Ferenc Puskas 2. Stoichkov 3. Breitner 4. Jairzinho 5. Bergomi 6. Varela 7. Koeman 8. Marzolini 9. Gerets 10. Kopa 11. Shilton 12. Johnstone 13. Popescu
1. Cruyff 2. Moore 3. Redondo 4. Figo 5. Romario 6. Desailly 7. Dzajic 8. Schnellinger 9. Essien 10. Guardiola 11. Southall 12. Burgnich 13. Sanchez
1. Platini 2. Xavi 3. Rivaldo 4. Kohler 5. Davids 6. Gentile 7. Moreno 8. Nordahl 9. Franklin 10. Jennings 11. Demyanenko 12. Morton 13. Stankovic
1. Zico 2. L. Matthäus 3. Santamaríá 4. Hansen 5. Hagi 6. Finney 7. Viera 8. Irwin 9. Cabrini 10. Raul 11. Veron 12. Cordoba 13. Chilavert
1. Figueroa 2. Baresi 3. Voronin 4. Masopust 5. Batistuta 6. Gullit 7. Socrates 8. Amoros 9. Schuster 10. Gordillo 11. Beckham 12. Gregg 13. Mackay
I'm always on the opinion of solid midfield and defence are more important than incredible attack, especially in tournament.
Thoughts on my side you cnuts????
Fantastic, if you can get across how much of a beast Varela actually was. Best defence in the draft I think.
I thought you fecked up this part of the draft at first but as it turns out your one of the only ones to have fully addressed all the main weakness in your team.
How does it look?
Breitner should be on the left side, no?
Swap Breitner and Sammer and you're ready.