All-Time Fantasy Draft

Gio said:
Forget Kelly, I've got Rob Jones primed for my right-back slot.
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You would argue people blind and get away with it despite facing the very Best. While I wouldn't even bother show up with him :lol:

A huge fullback-winger mismatch is arguably the most dangerous thing in football. Somehow winning teams keep getting away with it.

Christ loading and typing on a BB is absolute shite. Shutters for now.
 
lunchforthesky said:
Do you pick managers too or just players?
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I think you are missing the point. This is not a thread to establish the best ever nor is it required to amass the greatest reputations ever. It's about drafting a team (better players obviously help) and then going through a competition where you gradually improve that team. The winning team will of course be a cracking side, but if someone gets Muller, Messi, Puskas, Pele, Best, Ronaldo, Zidane, Charlton, Iniesta, Baresi and Figueroa they will most likely loose.

It's not about who has the prettiest collection of named, the team actually has to be functional and a credible game winner.

I'm mystified as to how Dan's team/picks can be "disliked". So far there's nothing there indicating anything but a cracking side.
 
Brwned said:
Voronin's such an obscure pick, you'll be playing with 10 men in many voters' eyes and even those who take the time to read about him will need some kind of evidence that he was as good as suggested. I'd never heard of him before so read a bit about him and might even watch a game of his later this week - that's what this draft's all about for me so it's a great pick in that sense. It just won't work for votes.
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Indeed, I thought more would of heard of him.

He was played in the 62 world cup and got into the dream team of 64 euros and the 'France Football' magazine which concieved the Ballon D'or put him in their top ten European players shortlist in 64 and 65. He went onto a serious decline when he turned 30 though which started with a car crash which hospitalized him for 2 months. After that he was never the same, he turned to drink and just lost interest in almost everything.

The only reason I really know much about him is because my Grandad did some work over in Russia and he said it was like watching a Makelele who could play football better than anyone on the pitch. He played for Torpedo Moscow which meant that he was entirely overshadowed by a striker called Eduard Streltsov but when Streltsov was convicted on a rape charge and sent to labour camps for 12 years Voranin was the player who kept that whole side together.
 
I pick Luis Figo

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Fergus'son: 1. Beckenbauer 2. Eusebio 3. Didi
DanNistelrooy: Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. Nesta
KM: 1. Messi 2. Scirea 3. Bozsik
Thisistheone: 1. Maradona 2. B.Charlton 3. Eto'o
NM: 1. Pele 2. Neeskens 3. Passarella
Cutch: 1. Best 2. Van Basten 3. Robson
Brwned: 1. Di Stéfano 2. Keane 3. Falcão
MJJ: 1. Duncan Edwards 2. Garrincha 3. Muller
JakeC: 1. Ronaldo 2. Maldini 3. Deschamps
mightberight: 1. Ferenc Puskas 2. Stoichkov 3. Breitner
EDogen: 1. Cruyff 2. Moore 3. Redondo 4. Figo
Gio: 1. Platini 2. Xavi 3. Rivaldo 4. Kohler
Antohan: 1. Laudrup 2. Rijkaard 3. Iniesta 4. Facchetti
Stobzilla: 1. Zidane 2. Yashin (Russia) 3. Scholes 4. Souness
Isotope: 1. Zico 2. L. Matthäus 3. Santamaríá 4. Hansen
paceme: 1. Figueroa 2. Baresi 3. Voronin 4. Masopust

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paceme said:
Indeed, I thought more would of heard of him.

He was played in the 62 world cup and got into the dream team of 64 euros and the 'France Football' magazine which concieved the Ballon D'or put him in their top ten European players shortlist in 64 and 65. He went onto a serious decline when he turned 30 though which started with a car crash which hospitalized him for 2 months. After that he was never the same, he turned to drink and just lost interest in almost everything.

The only reason I really know much about him is because my Grandad did some work over in Russia and he said it was like watching a Makelele who could play football better than anyone on the pitch. He played for Torpedo Moscow which meant that he was entirely overshadowed by a striker called Eduard Streltsov but when Streltsov was convicted on a rape charge and sent to labour camps for 12 years Voranin was the player who kept that whole side together.
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Great stuff Paceme.
 
Yes he was in the top 10 in the Ballon D'or rankings in consecutive seasons. Pretty impressive for a centre mid.

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 1. Denis Law                         Scotland           Manchester United      61     6  6  2  -  1    15
  2. Luis Suárez                       Spain              Internazionale         43     6  1  1  3  -    11
  3. Amancio Amaro                     Spain              Real Madrid            38     2  1  6  2  2    13
  4. Eusébio da Silva Ferreira         Portugal           Benfica                31     -  5  2  2  1    10
  5. Paul Van Himst                    Belgium            Anderlecht             28     1  2  4  1  1     9
  6. Jimmy Greaves                     England            Tottenham              19     2  1  1  1  -     5
  7. Mario Corso                       Italy              Internazionale         17     -  3  1  1  -     5
  8. Lev Yashin                        Soviet Union       Dynamo Moskva          15     1  2  -  1  -     4
  9. Gianni Rivera                     Italy              Milan AC               14     1  -  2  1  1     5
 10. Valery Voronin                    Soviet Union       Torpedo Moskva         11     1  -  1  -  1     4
 11. Karl-Heinz Schnellinger           West Germany       AS Roma                 6     -  -  -  3  -     3
     Ferenc Bene                       Hungary            Újpest Dózsa            6     -  -  -  1  4     5
 13. Jean Nicolay                      Belgium            Standard Liège          5     1  -  -  -  -     1
 14. Helmut Haller                     West Germany       Bologna                 4     -  -  1  -  -     1
 15. Jose Torres                       Portugal           Benfica                 3     -  -  -  1  1     2
 16. Flórián Albert                    Hungary            Ferencváros             2     -  -  -  1  -     1
     Jose Altafini                     Italy              Milan AC                2     -  -  -  1  -     1
     Coen Mouljin                      Netherlands        Feyenoord               2     -  -  -  1  -     1
 19. Nestor Combin                     France             Juventus                1     -  -  -  -  1     1
     Giacinto Facchetti                Italy              Internazionale          1     -  -  -  -  1     1
     Jef Jurion                        Belgium            Anderlecht              1     -  -  -  -  1     1
     Ole Madsen                        Denmark            Hallrup IK              1     -  -  -  -  1     1
     Alessandro Mazzola                Italy              Internazionale          1     -  -  -  -  1     1
     Bobby Moore                       England            West Ham United         1     -  -  -  -  1     1
     Omar Sivori                       Italy              Juventus                1     -  -  -  -  1     1
     Klaus Urbanczyk                   East Germany       Chemie Halle            1     -  -  -  -  1     1

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1. Eusébio da Silva Ferreira         Portugal           Benfica                67     9  3  3  -  1    16
  2. Giacinto Facchetti                Italy              Internazionale         59     3  8  4  -  -    15
  3. Luis Suárez                       Spain              Internazionale         45     4  3  3  2  -    12
  4. Paul Van Himst                    Belgium            Anderlecht             25     -  2  3  4  -     9
  5. Bobby Charlton                    England            Manchester United      19     1  1  2  2  -     6
  6. Flórián Albert                    Hungary            Ferencváros            14     -  1  1  2  3     7
  7. Gianni Rivera                     Italy              Milan AC               10     1  -  -  2  1     4
  8. Georgi Asparukhov                 Bulgaria           Levski Sofia            9     1  1  -  -  -     2
     Alessandro Mazzola                Italy              Internazionale          9     1  -  1  -  1     3
     Valery Voronin                    Soviet Union       Torpedo Moskva          9     -  1  -  1  3     5
 11. Denis Law                         Scotland           Manchester United       8     -  1  1  -  1     3
 12. Karl-Heinz Schnellinger           West Germany       Milan AC                6     -  -  2  -  -     2
 13. Ferenc Puskas                     Spain              Real Madrid             5     1  -  -  -  -     1
     Jim Baxter                        Scotland           Sunderland              5     -  -  1  -  2     3
 15. Mario Corso                       Italy              Internazionale          3     -  -  -  1  1     2
     Lev Yashin                        Soviet Union       Dynamo Moskva           3     -  -  -  1  1     2
 17. Amancio Amaro                     Spain              Real Madrid             2     -  -  -  1  -     1
     Franz Beckenbauer                 West Germany       Bayern Munich           2     -  -  -  1  -     1
     Mario Coluna                      Portugal           Benfica                 2     -  -  -  1  -     1
     Milan Galic                       Yugoslavia         Partizan Beograd        2     -  -  -  1  -     1
     Philippe Gondet                   France             Nantes                  2     -  -  -  1  -     1
     Andrej Kvasniak                   Czechoslovakia     Sparta Praha            2     -  -  -  1  -     1
     Ferenc Bene                       Hungary            Újpest Dózsa            2     -  -  -  -  2     2
     Slava Metreveli                   Soviet Union       Dinamo Tbilissi         2     -  -  -  -  2     2
 25. Ivor Allchurch                    Wales              Cardiff City            1     -  -  -  -  1     1
     Siegfried Held                    West Germany       Borussia Dortmund       1     -  -  -  -  1     1
     Jakob Kühn                        Switzerland        FC Zurich               1     -  -  -  -  1     1

I don't think that'll sway the votes much though.
 
antohan said:
I think you are missing the point. This is not a thread to establish the best ever nor is it required to amass the greatest reputations ever. It's about drafting a team (better players obviously help) and then going through a competition where you gradually improve that team. The winning team will of course be a cracking side, but if someone gets Muller, Messi, Puskas, Pele, Best, Ronaldo, Zidane, Charlton, Iniesta, Baresi and Figueroa they will most likely loose.

It's not about who has the prettiest collection of named, the team actually has to be functional and a credible game winner.

I'm mystified as to how Dan's team/picks can be "disliked". So far there's nothing there indicating anything but a cracking side.
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Well for one thing he's already got two players who really need to be the main man and both played their best football in the same position. Which imo isn't a great start for your 1 and 2 picks.
 
Figo is a great choice by the way. One of our options.
 
paceme said:
Indeed, I thought more would of heard of him.

He was played in the 62 world cup and got into the dream team of 64 euros and the 'France Football' magazine which concieved the Ballon D'or put him in their top ten European players shortlist in 64 and 65. He went onto a serious decline when he turned 30 though which started with a car crash which hospitalized him for 2 months. After that he was never the same, he turned to drink and just lost interest in almost everything.

The only reason I really know much about him is because my Grandad did some work over in Russia and he said it was like watching a Makelele who could play football better than anyone on the pitch. He played for Torpedo Moscow which meant that he was entirely overshadowed by a striker called Eduard Streltsov but when Streltsov was convicted on a rape charge and sent to labour camps for 12 years Voranin was the player who kept that whole side together.
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Nice post mate!
 
Theon said:
Great stuff Paceme.
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AldoRaine18 said:
Nice post mate!
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Expanding on that...

“Moscow is above all a city of broken dreams and corrupted utopias,” claim Natalia Smirnova and Julia Gouman, editors of the book Moscow Noir. It’s a place of “bleak and mystical despair.”

And so it’s perhaps no surprise that many of Russian football’s most tragically intriguing tales originate from the capital, specifically during the 1950s and 1960s when, for a time, Torpedo Moscow rode high in top-flight football and counted one of Russia’s best ever players amid their ranks.

That player was not Valery Voronin.

As you will learn, the tale of Valery Voronin is a sad one. Especially when told in parallel to the (incredible) story of his more illustrious teammate Eduard Streltsov, known as the “White Pelé” and according to Jonathan Wilson, “arguably Russia’s greatest ever outfield player.”

Voronin is one of history’s shadows. He very much existed but was lost along the way, a faded name among more burnished legends and forgotten among the debris of life.

And all this despite being arguably more influential on the greatest squad Torpedo Moscow has ever had and winning more trophies than the almighty Streltsov.

ON THE CUSP OF THE GOLDEN AGE
Streltsov blitzed onto the scene, debuting for Torpedo in 1954 aged just 16 and became the league’s top scorer the very next season, notching 15 goals in 22 games.

At 19, he was the integral part of the Soviet side that won gold at the 1956 Olympics and was regularly banging in goal after goal for Torpedo.

There was only two years difference between Streltsov and the younger Voronin, but while Streltsov moved straight from his local factory side into Torpedo’s first team, almost instantly becoming the darling of Russian football, Voronin had to wait until he was 19, working his way through the youth set-ups.

The year Voronin did finally debut, 1958, saw Torpedo – who were on the cusp of their golden age – plunged into crisis: Streltsov, still only 21, was convicted on a dubious rape charge (an incredible story but one for another time) and was sentenced to 12 years in the labour camp.

In the absence of Russia’s great footballing icon of the 1950s, Torpedo still had excellent players, including attacking midfielder Gennady Gusarov, striker Valentin Ivanov and centre-back Viktor Shustikov. But they needed someone to bind them.

Valery Voronin was that player.

From his anchor point in central midfield, Voronin’s incredible sense of positioning allowed him to read the game like few others. A consummate ability to pass the ball meant he could redistribute possession to the right person at the right moment.

“I well remember Voronin,” recalled journalist Leonid Repin, back in 1999:
“In an instant and elusive moment he could spirit the ball away from attackers. Or he could suddenly burst into the penalty area and with defences at full stretch would slide a clever assist to his striker.

“But most of all, he delighted me with his central play where, taking the ball with a graceful, cat-like movement, Voronin would look up from the tamed ball and, locating all the moving pieces on the grass chess board before him with lightening-fast estimation, was always able to dispatch the ball just so – inevitably drawing a sigh of admiration.”

Thus, Voronin kept a precociously talented Torpedo side operating at the highest level despite missing their greatest ever star.

Just two years on from the potentially devastating loss of Streltsov, the Black-Whites clinched their first ever league title and the Cup in a momentous double triumph in 1960.

The following season, Voronin and Torpedo won their initial league (back then the 22 top-flight teams were split into two groups of 11, the top five from each forming a super league) by seven clear points, losing out to Dynamo Kiev in the super league by a margin of only four points.

By 1964 Voronin was flying high. After participating in the 1962 World Cup in Chile, Voronin was named in the Dream Team of Euro ’64, where the USSR were narrowly beaten 2-1 in the final by hosts Spain.

Also that year, Voronin again finished a runner-up in the league with Torpedo but such was his influence in that team that he was listed among the Continent’s top ten players by France Football – the venerable weekly magazine that still decides the Ballon D’Or winner.

By 1965, after serving seven of his 12-year stretch, Streltsov returned to Torpedo. In just his first season back in the black and white, he helped lead Torpedo and Voronin to a second league triumph.

Of course, Streltsov, who’d scored 12 league goals to boot – one for each year of his murky sentence - was the talk of the town, but it was Voronin who was again voted among the top ten by France Football. Streltsov was nowhere.

ONLY VICTORS ARE THE TRUE AUTHORS OF HISTORY
Streltsov was, by all accounts, a genius. But Voronin was also an extremely fine footballer and it was Voronin, not the incarcerated Streltsov that helped catalyse Torpedo’s most celebrated era.

Yet Voronin’s name has not lived nearly as long in the memory as Streltsov’s and it has certainly not shone as brightly over time. Rather, Valery Voronin has faded from memory and the history books.

However, unlike Streltsov, Voronin was not seen to have withstood, and then triumphed over, state oppression – something that cannot be undervalued in the psyche of a people who were subjugated by such a terrible regime.

In doing so, Streltsov, like Starostin, become a titan, a superhuman. Despite his did he/didn’t he conviction, in surviving the system Streltsov was elevated above mere mortals as being seen to able to break the manacles of the Soviet system.

By contrast, Voronin was all too normal, all too human: Streltsov survived his ordeal, Voronin did not.

PSYCHOLOGICAL DEMONS
Heading into his early thirties, Streltsov was getting better. In both the 1967 and 1968 seasons he was voted player of the year, the latter season seeing Torpedo again finish in second – meaning Moscow’s then fourth smallest club had finished in the top two five times in eight years.

Conversely Voronin, unbeknownst to anyone, was headed towards oblivion.
Around the time of his thirtieth birthday during the summer of 1969, the age when Streltsov had regained his stride after losing five years of his career, Voronin, tired from a 114km drive back from the city of Kolomna to Moscow, fell asleep at the wheel of his Volga motorcar.

Miraculously, he was not killed. In a twist of fate, it turned out that his driver’s seat was not properly fixed to it’s racking and it shot out through the rear passenger door upon impact.

The midfielder was hospitalised for the rest of the summer but, despite initially having to breathe through a tube and suffering multiple fractures, he recovered remarkably swiftly and returned to the practice pitches.

But it was clear that it was not the same “Valera” that had come back from the dead. Sure, he had regained full physical fitness, but there was just something not quite right about the man himself.

Mentally, Voronin had not been able to get over his terrifying ordeal and he started to turn, increasingly, to drink.

Psychologically, Voronin was still in a dark place and very quickly his football suffered. He withdrew into himself and stopped going to training altogether.

Voronin never played again after 1969. And, with despite the best efforts of various coaches, colleagues and friends, he could not find anything to replace that which he had lost. Nothing could substitute the career that was taken from him that summer – nothing except alcohol.

One of those that tried, an old coach of Voronin’s, Yuri Stepanenko, would occasionally see the faded star at an old training field where Stepanenko supervised youth players. Each time, he said, the onlooking Voronin’s eyes seemed “dormant”.

Years later, on 20 May 1984, Stepanenko bumped into Voronin at Moscow’s Luzhniki Stadium. According to the old coach, Voronin was in the company of three suspicious men.

“You know them well?” Stepanenko asked his old pupil. Voronin laughed and replied that yes, he did, and they parted. The next morning Valery Voronin was found, bludgeoned to death, in bushes off the Varshovskoye Highway some way out of town. He was 44.

In truth, in the fourteen or so years since he retired from the game, Voronin was already fading away. After his death he has faded only further. Yet his role in that mighty team was so much more than posterity would have us believe.

Though maybe not the star of Torpedo’s history, all of the stars turned out for his funeral held, fittingly, at the Danilovsky cemetery, not far from the ZiL automobile factory that gave birth to the only club he knew – and the only life he ever wanted: football.
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Typed in Valery Voronin and it was the 2nd site to show up!
 
Jairzinho.

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Fergus'son: 1. Beckenbauer 2. Eusebio 3. Didi
DanNistelrooy: Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. Nesta
KM: 1. Messi 2. Scirea 3. Bozsik
Thisistheone: 1. Maradona 2. B.Charlton 3. Eto'o
NM: 1. Pele 2. Neeskens 3. Passarella
Cutch: 1. Best 2. Van Basten 3. Robson
Brwned: 1. Di Stéfano 2. Keane 3. Falcão
MJJ: 1. Duncan Edwards 2. Garrincha 3. Muller
JakeC: 1. Ronaldo 2. Maldini 3. Deschamps
mightberight: 1. Ferenc Puskas 2. Stoichkov 3. Breitner 4. Jairzinho
EDogen: 1. Cruyff 2. Moore 3. Redondo 4. Figo
Gio: 1. Platini 2. Xavi 3. Rivaldo 4. Kohler
Antohan: 1. Laudrup 2. Rijkaard 3. Iniesta 4. Facchetti
Stobzilla: 1. Zidane 2. Yashin (Russia) 3. Scholes 4. Souness
Isotope: 1. Zico 2. L. Matthäus 3. Santamaríá 4. Hansen
paceme: 1. Figueroa 2. Baresi 3. Voronin 4. Masopust
 
AldoRaine18 said:
You'll be losing my vote if you intend to repeat that catastrophe.

Riv: 'Van Gaal and I don't like each other'
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Van Gaal's an enigma. Achieved great things, particularly with Ajax, and clearly possesses an incisive tactical mind. Yet he's a poor man manager who has bombed badly with considerable resources (e.g. Holland and Barcelona 2002/2003).

Certainly won't be marooning a man of his talents out on the flank, he's more likely to play an inside-forward role such as in France '98.

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Stobzilla said:
Was wondering when he would go, he didn't quite fit for what I want to do but it is criminal he fell as far as he did.
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Aye, was banking on a top notch Brazilian to fall so late. Fits in nicely on the right of a three-pronged attack in a position where options are starting to take a cut in quality.
 
Gio said:
Van Gaal's an enigma. Achieved great things, particularly with Ajax, and clearly possesses an incisive tactical mind. Yet he's a poor man manager who has bombed badly with considerable resources (e.g. Holland and Barcelona 2002/2003).

Certainly won't be marooning a man of his talents out on the flank, he's more likely to play an inside-forward role such as in France '98.

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Except you also have Platini if I am not wrong which won't allow Rivaldo to cut inside much, and end up s a frustrating afternoon for him.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
Except you also have Platini if I am not wrong which won't allow Rivaldo to cut inside much, and end up s a frustrating afternoon for him.
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Not necessarily. Look at how Brazil set up in 2002 with Rivaldo and Ronaldinho both behind Ronaldo, and all 3 linking well to good effect. It's a bit like saying Iniesta had a frustrating Euro 2012 because he had to operate in the inside-left position, rather than the central role he was accustomed to at Barcelona.
 
Stobzilla said:
Was wondering when he would go, he didn't quite fit for what I want to do but it is criminal he fell as far as he did.
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Do you really think he's that good? As absurd as this sounds, even though he scored in every game of the '70 WC I thought he looked a class below Rivelino, Tostao and Gerson never mind Pelé. He played like Pedro does for Barcelona so I've no doubt that limited his influence, but in '74 I didn't he looked much better despite three of those retiring.

Gio said:
Not necessarily. Look at how Brazil set up in 2002 with Rivaldo and Ronaldinho both behind Ronaldo, and all 3 linking well to good effect. It's a bit like saying Iniesta had a frustrating Euro 2012 because he had to operate in the inside-left position, rather than the central role he was accustomed to at Barcelona.
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Or just look at the system Platini alongside Giresse. I can see him fitting in fine in that inside-forward role that Zico played in '82 for sure, with Platini taking Sócrates' place quite nicely.
 
I'm going to sleep, should I PM my pick?
 
Stobzilla said:
yyyyyyou feckING BASTARD !!!
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Don't you and Isotope realise I've got first dibs on all Scottish players in the competition? It would be like Antohan preparing a Uruguay centre-back to complete his XI, then me rocking up and snapping up Hugo De Leon.
 
Yeah, that magic carre an be a good way to fit them both in well. Although that gets pretty narrow at times and with all these teams having two all action midfielders who can close the space in the middle, without any real width you might hard to convince the voters for a plan B.
 
Gio said:
Don't you and Isotope realise I've got first dibs on all Scottish players in the competition? It would be like Antohan preparing a Uruguay centre-back to complete his XI, then me rocking up and snapping up Hugo De Leon.
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You're only allowed one, blame Isotope, he did it first, punish him.
 
Hope MJJ PMed his pick because it'll be late over there now, he's probably sleeping.
 
Thought we'd have rattled off a fecking stream of picks given the game was on.

Did MJJ PM you Brwned?
 
Brwned said:
Do you really think he's that good? As absurd as this sounds, even though he scored in every game of the '70 WC I thought he looked a class below Rivelino, Tostao and Gerson never mind Pelé. He played like Pedro does for Barcelona so I've no doubt that limited his influence, but in '74 I didn't he looked much better despite three of those retiring.



Or just look at the system Platini alongside Giresse. I can see him fitting in fine in that inside-forward role that Zico played in '82 for sure, with Platini taking Sócrates' place quite nicely.
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Missed this post.

I think he is that good given where he is intended to be used and in this format as well. The margins of relative quality are so small that you need to be able to piece something together where people look and say "yeah that would probably work better than the other" and if Jarzino is intended to be used inside right/wing then there are few better.
 
Stobzilla said:
Missed this post.

I think he is that good given where he is intended to be used and in this format as well. The margins of relative quality are so small that you need to be able to piece something together where people look and say "yeah that would probably work better than the other" and if Jarzino is intended to be used inside right/wing then there are few better.
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That's true, although there's one Scandinavian player from the same era that I'd probably take ahead of him for that goalscoring wide-man role.

paceme said:
fecking jake, posted in the general just before 9 too
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Was online half an hour ago too. I would say skip him but then MJJ's not here either.
 
paceme said:
The only reason I really know much about him is because my Grandad did some work over in Russia and he said it was like watching a Makelele who could play football better than anyone on the pitch.
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This is what I meant by getting caught up in the romance. There's always those players you have a soft spot for but no one actually knows. They are very hard sells. Nothing wrong with picking them, I'm known for making diabolical/suicidal late picks of players no one has ever heard of :lol:

It makes it interesting, it's the only place/thread where it is remotely relevant to put that forward and expect people to be interested, so why not? Probably way too early a pick though, maybe not so Masopust but definitely Voronin.

BTW, share the sentiment on the good stuff posted on him. I reckon when the draft is done and dusted and people start preparing their sides for battle, that we still take the time to post on "those who missed out and probably shouldn't have", there's bound to be stacks of them. Not looking at building an encyclopaedia but there are so many amazing stories out there!

I thought I was really going to enjoy this draft but I'm increasingly finding myself ditching cracking players and beautiful stories simply because they would cost me the game :( My grandfather knew pretty much everything about loads of players in the 20s-50s, not just Uruguayan, some of the stories are really friggin' brilliant.

I could make a competitive XI of players you most likely have never heard of, the problem being that the voters haven't either, thus they don't get picked! It's a bit shit that :annoyed:
 
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