ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation

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fergieisold said:
Yes, the interview was altered but its clutching straws saying this guy is lying. The interview is posted above from youtube and translated it has all the important points in.
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Altering it that much dramatically changes its impact and its meaning.

The interview as in its original Spanish form makes it clear that he understands it isn't his decision no matter how much he wants it.

Ballague has re-edited and created a false story that Ronaldo will damned near come close to striking to get the move and there's no way he's staying at all.

That's not what Ronaldo says at all.

Ballague shifts things around to change their meaning, strengthen the impact of the Madrid stuff, lessen the impact of the United stuff, and simply edit out some of the United stuff.

Ronaldo is playing a dangerous game, that is for sure.

But there are lies being told and misrepresentations being fobbed off on an anti-Ronaldo English-speaking public who are lapping it up.
 
sammsky1 said:
maybe you will but for me he is now eternally a full time judus cnut. Even if he comes back. I could not care less.
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You epitomise the word fickle. I bet you were one of those calling for Ronaldo's head after the world cup as well.

If Ronaldo doesn't leave this summer you'll probably forget everything you've written in this thread and pretend you were one of the only ones supporting him.
 
jasonrh said:
Altering it that much dramatically changes its impact and its meaning.

The interview as in its original Spanish form makes it clear that he understands it isn't his decision no matter how much he wants it.

Ballague has re-edited and created a false story that Ronaldo will damned near come close to striking to get the move and there's no way he's staying at all.

That's not what Ronaldo says at all.

Ballague shifts things around to change their meaning, strengthen the impact of the Madrid stuff, lessen the impact of the United stuff, and simply edit out some of the United stuff.

Ronaldo is playing a dangerous game, that is for sure.

But there are lies being told and misrepresentations being fobbed off on an anti-Ronaldo English-speaking public who are lapping it up.
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Whatever the interpretation or if it's "exactly" what was said the fact is that Ronnie wants to go. Think that's very clear. It all depends on how United handle it. You can argue all day as to the absolute truth of every sentence but it doesn't alter the fact that he would like to go if United will let him.
Nothing at all new today and won't be until we hear now from United after the lawyers and SAF and Gill and the Glazer boys get their act together.
 
jasonrh said:
He has made his "translation" of his allegedly (and clearly NOT) exclusive interview MUCH MUCH MUCH more damning than what it actually is.

Just read the god damned thing in either language.

How many times does Ronaldo do that cutesy little prevaricating "not up to me" dance? Ballague excised that over and over and over again, plus moving things around to make them worse. And it isn't his exclusive.

He even said on Sky Sports that there was absolutely nothing in it to indicate that United fans could think he might even 1% possibly stay.

At first the "score a few goals" comment was on the site, then it was gone. The next day it was back, altered to be more hazy. Then it was back to the original. That could account for the unwillingness of a lot to show it.

He is lying his tits off, using other statements as the general gist of his "interview" and riding the wave of the story to pretend like he's a major player in the story.

He does this all of the time.
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So you're saying the translation is a bit selective? Does he say he's definitely going this summer? (not that it's up to him, of course) That wouldn't be a first. Sorry, I don't speak Portuguese
 
jasonrh said:
Altering it that much dramatically changes its impact and its meaning.

The interview as in its original Spanish form makes it clear that he understands it isn't his decision no matter how much he wants it.

Ballague has re-edited and created a false story that Ronaldo will damned near come close to striking to get the move and there's no way he's staying at all.

That's not what Ronaldo says at all.

Ballague shifts things around to change their meaning, strengthen the impact of the Madrid stuff, lessen the impact of the United stuff, and simply edit out some of the United stuff.

Ronaldo is playing a dangerous game, that is for sure.

But there are lies being told and misrepresentations being fobbed off on an anti-Ronaldo English-speaking public who are lapping it up.
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Looking at the audio we have hold of the message from Ronaldo is the same as what we see in the interview. And considering we have audio of snippits of the interview (apparently not the full version) it is possible everything scripted on his website was said.
 
Zidane tips Ronaldo for Real move

France legend Zinedine Zidane believes Real Madrid will end up signing Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo.

The Spanish giants have made no secret of their desire to sign the 23-year-old Portuguese winger, despite United's insistence they will not sell.

"Every time Madrid want good players they get them," said former Real star Zidane, in Vienna for Euro 2008.

"He's had a great season, and he's a Champions League winner, and if he wants to play there, then he can."

Zidane cost about £46m when he moved from Juventus to Real Madrid in 2001.

That fee remains a world record for a player, but the Frenchman, 36 on Monday, thinks Real Madrid could possibly have to spend more than that to land Ronaldo.

And he said he would be happy to no longer be the world's most expensive footballer - having joined Real from Juventus for £45.8m in 2001.

"If he goes to Madrid, it will be a big amount, but Madrid is ready to pay far more than they paid for me," said Zidane.

"This will actually lift a weight from my shoulders. Hopefully they will pay more for Ronaldo than they did for me."

Zidane, who retired from international football after the 2006 World Cup, said that he had been impressed with Russia's Andrei Arshavin during Euro 2008 so far.

"When you see their number 10 it is great," Zidane said.

"What he does at this stage is more difficult than a World Cup because it's the first big tournament he has played in.

"I was very happy to see that type of football played. He has great feet."

Zidane, who was in Vienna with manufacturers Adidas for a coaching clinic for children, confirmed that he wants to return to football but stressed that he had no imminent plans to do so.
 
Now i can actually join in this banter since things are actually starting to be quoted etc. I said i wouldn't turn on him until anything is said to be true, but it looks like he wants out so feck him.

Lets just hope we don't let Real 'win' this. By that, i mean that we should be the ones that people look at and say we had the better deal by far. Alot of cash, maybe a player and a bit less, but ALOT of cash would be the best option. Ronaldo is the probably the best in the world right now, but there are always players that are close, and players that can be better, it's how it works.

Letting him rot in the reserves/stands isn't an option though i'd say. The idea and morals are right, but it doesn't benefit us as a football club. It's only benefit would be laughing at the cnuts reaction spending each game in the stands while Madrid go Ronaldo'less for the season.
 
Cold_Boy said:
Spot fcking on.
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I cannot help but think of Ronaldo as still being basically a child. I still see that kid sitting on the bench in that grey training top against Bolton with his noodlehair trying to not look overawed as Fergie pointed his finger at him to come on as a sub. I have a picture of that in a frame of pictures from that season up on my wall here. He's a child to me, I just can't help it.

That doesn't keep me from being hurt and irritated and angry and feeling betrayed by his behaviour and antics with this crap - although if we find out something that changes the picture then I'm willing to forgive him.

But Beckham was older than I was by a distance when he left. He was 28 - 8 years older than Ronaldo was when he joined the next year. Beckham was definitely a very grown up grown up who knew better. He had been a part of the 1992 FA Youth Cup squad 11 years before and knew what was expected of him and knew the club.

His only possible defence is that he was swayed by his su'astar wife, and he has apologised to Ferguson and told Ferguson that he is sorry that "his career as a footballer ended like that" because he considers his time at Real and at the Galaxy as being a product or a brand, not a footballer (Ronaldo - take note!).

But he (like Ruud) was ruining morale by assuming that he was more important than the club and its manager and seriously attempting to derail our season.

At least this silliness with Ronaldo always goes on when he goes away with Scolari in the summers for major tournaments every two years (remember the summer of 2004 and the furore over defying Fergie to go to the Olympics and the rumours in the Portuguese press that he wanted out to go to Benfica because it was too cold and rainy in Manchester?). He didn't endanger our season, in fact he won us the Big Time Double.

Unfortunately, he's a closet Big Time Charlie.
 
Schuster: Money no object in Ron bid

Bernd Schuster has declared that Real Madrid will pull out all the stops to sign Cristiano Ronaldo now that the superstar has announced his desire to leave Manchester United.

Ronaldo confirmed he is ready to pursue a new challenge in the Spanish capital after Portugal’s Euro 2008 exit at the hands of Germany and has stated he is prepared to anger Sir Alex Ferguson in order to achieve his aim.

United have already been infuriated by Real’s public pursuit of their player but a complaint to Fifa failed to bear fruit and the Spanish champions have now been galvanised by Ronaldo’s decision to make his dream known.

Figures as high as €100 million (£79.2 million) have been mooted as a possible transfer fee and Schuster has underlined that money is no object as Real seek to conclude the biggest deal of the summer.

“For such a player we will pay what we need because what counts for us is to win the Champions League and he can help us achieve this,” Schuster told DSF.

United remain determined to keep the player and on Friday issued a statement to reiterate that Ronaldo is not for sale.

Ferguson’s stance is no surprise to Schuster, with the German manager stating: “When you have a player of similar calibre nobody wants to let him go.”

On Thursday night, Ronaldo stated he would make a further statement regarding his future in the coming days but it is now no secret that he views his future in Spain.

If he does join Madrid then his transfer fee will likely eclipse the £45.62 million Los Merengues paid for Zinedine Zidane in 2001, and the former Bernabeu hero has given his backing to Real's pursuit of Ronaldo.

'Zizou' has also warned United there is little they can do to stop the transfer if Ronaldo is determined to leave Old Trafford.

"If he will come to Madrid it will be quite an amount, they are ready to pay more than for me and this will lift the weight from my shoulders," said Zidane.

"He had a great season, a league and Champions League winner, and I think the fact that he and Portugal got knocked out at the quarter finals doesn't mean anything because they were up against a great Germany team.

"It doesn't say anything about the merits during the year. He is not scared of his new Real Madrid engagement and every time they wanted good players they got them.

"Now it depends on his personal plans, if he wants to play there he will play there."


I am happy with this bit of news that we will surely a get lots and lots of money for the cnut.
 
Broo said:
I think the youtube vid I posted is fairly conclusive. It hardly differs from Balague's transcript, the only differences come from the editing carried out by the news company that made the report.

Ballague has made things up in the past, although to be honest I think he just got things wrong rather than made them up. And in any case, having to chat away for an hour a week on Revista de la Liga about rumours is in no shape or form the same as writing out a transcript of an interview. Making up or exaggerating transfer stories is one thing, but fabricating an exclusive and detailed interview (which we have seen he hasn't done due to the youtube vid containing at least some of the same quotes, and I reiterate that the lack of the rest of the quotes is due to the news company, not Balague) is proffessional suicide.

I agree that it's odd he hasn't put up an audio of the interview but to say it's all made up is clearly not true.
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It's not that odd, he has interviews with Cech, Villa and Torres on his site - the widespread accepted reports that Villa REFUTES he said he wants to join the Scousers come from his Ballague interview - are all transcripts without audio

It's incredulous to think he'd make up an entire interview transcript I'm afraid. Even knowing he has a tendancy to exaggerate and tell the odd porkie fib (albeit under the guise of 'rumours'), as has already been said by me and others many times now, his career would be over. Any person of sound judgement would give the interviewer the benefit of the doubt; we even now have audio confirming the integrity of the interview. And STILL folk (or should I say Jason) try to intimate its all nonsense. I beggars belief how blind and frankly stupid some folk are, it really does
 
Brad said:
It's not that odd, he has interviews with Cech, Villa and Torres on his site - the widespread accepted reports that Villa REFUTES he said he wants to join the Scousers come from his Ballague interview - are all transcripts without audio

It's incredulous to think he'd make up an entire interview transcript I'm afraid. Even knowing he has a tendancy to exaggerate and tell the odd porkie fib (albeit under the guise of 'rumours'), as has already been said by me and others many times now, his career would be over. Any person of sound judgement would give the interviewer the benefit of the doubt; we even now have audio confirming the integrity of the interview. And STILL folk (or should I say Jason) try to intimate its all nonsense. I beggars belief how blind and frankly stupid some folk are, it really does
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You don't have to 'make it up', you can easily change any meaning by leaving things out and/or changing their order. If this is thought to be the case, then it's understandable why it took so long to be aired and why, still, it's not being universally shown as absolute proof.

Back to my original thoughts, no concrete evidence. It's still my view that Ronaldo's happy to go provided we do a deal but he's equally happy to stay if we don't. If Fergie and the club want him to stay, I support it and he will stay, even though my preference was to sell quickly and replace with 2/3 quality players - gives us more options. Next year maybe.
 
after/during the Worldcup 2006 the boy came out in front of the world and said a lot worse.....don't underestimate Sir Alex or United
 
Brad said:
It's not that odd, he has interviews with Cech, Villa and Torres on his site - the widespread accepted reports that Villa REFUTES he said he wants to join the Scousers come from his Ballague interview - are all transcripts without audio

It's incredulous to think he'd make up an entire interview transcript I'm afraid. Even knowing he has a tendancy to exaggerate and tell the odd porkie fib (albeit under the guise of 'rumours'), as has already been said by me and others many times now, his career would be over. Any person of sound judgement would give the interviewer the benefit of the doubt; we even now have audio confirming the integrity of the interview. And STILL folk (or should I say Jason) try to intimate its all nonsense. I beggars belief how blind and frankly stupid some folk are, it really does
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Look at what Jason actually points out; journos selectively quote, and quote out of context to spice up their stories. It's all part of their craft. For sure, some are better and some are worse, but their job is to write stories. Look at that scam we in the Caf started about signing Kaka; several outlets - including MUTV - picked it up. They are desperate for news, and the competition is fierce. It's so easy to leave bits out of a quote, and skew the meaning totally away from that intended by the person giving the interview. Look at that BBC documentary which purported to show HM The Queen storming out of a photo session in the Garter Robes, when in fact it turned out the footage was filmed as she hurried into the session.

Look at the bits Ballague left out, and that includes words preceding his quotes, not just whole questions and answers.

All we are saying is that large sections of the Caf have fallen for a story which at the moment is feeding off its own momentum. Little of substance exists. The prevarications and dissimulations on Ronaldo's part are probably not even apparant to him. He speaks Portuguese and doesn't see the mainstream english media, never mind the Caf.

The time for verdicts, damning or otherwise, will come once we have the facts. Right now all we have is speculation based on misrepresentation of a combination of mischievous utterances on the part of Real and all its works on the one hand and a lack of clarity (for reasons we don't yet actually know)on the part of Ronaldo on the other.

My earlier post concerning the burning of single, intelligent, independent women as witches by repellent, ignorant mobs in the grip of mass-hysteria stands.
 
He plays on the left
He plays on the right
That boy Ronaldo
needs to quit acting the shite.
Wake up Ronnie you need to see who cares for you and who made you what you are today and tell those feckers who only want to sell shirts to feck off, you are at present playing for the best team on the planet, if you leave here you will be going backwards. I promise you there will be less rain this year in Manchester.
 
BahamaRed said:
Ronnie's going.
United will have to sell.
£100m
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We know that's the only way you can handle the situation so ok. Actually if we got that kind of offer, 99% of the people would take it right now
 
BahamaRed said:
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c'mon mate you were gutted, we all were but you turned it around accepted it and are now 100% certain he's gone. It's a way of dealing with it. It's what people do. I was :( at first but now sit on the fence. Ronaldo might be at United next season, if he's not I trust the club to not feck up again and to get a respectable amount from that silly 'club'

But additionally if there's a guy i'd want to be in this situation, it'd be Sir Alex. If anyone can deal with Ronaldo it's him. I can't believe anyone would listen to Scolari. What a fecking idiot that guy is. Sir Alex I think still have a big part to player in all this, regardless of alls that's been said
 
Striker10 said:
c'mon mate you were gutted, we all were but you turned it around accepted it and are now 100% certain he's gone. It's a way of dealing with it. It's what people do. I was :( at first but now sit on the fence. Ronaldo might be at United next season, if he's not I trust the club to not feck up again and to get a respectable amount from that silly 'club'
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I'm actually still harbouring the hope that he may stay but I'm uncomfortable with that thought. There's no need to disbelieve the Balague interviews and it also makes the Brazil website interview more believable now. It's obvious he wants to go. I can see no way that United could keep him and from what I can gauge from my Manchester friends and family nobody wants him anymore. Just a matter of how much we can get for him and seeing as we don't want to sell him then Real will have to pay through the nose.
To me that's £100M. No more. No less. And up front please....no payments on the never never. Come on Real. Shovel all your $ into the OT coffers!
 
jasonrh said:
He has made his "translation" of his allegedly (and clearly NOT) exclusive interview MUCH MUCH MUCH more damning than what it actually is.

Just read the god damned thing in either language.

How many times does Ronaldo do that cutesy little prevaricating "not up to me" dance? Ballague excised that over and over and over again, plus moving things around to make them worse. And it isn't his exclusive.

He even said on Sky Sports that there was absolutely nothing in it to indicate that United fans could think he might even 1% possibly stay.

At first the "score a few goals" comment was on the site, then it was gone. The next day it was back, altered to be more hazy. Then it was back to the original.

He is lying his tits off, using other statements as the general gist of his "interview" and riding the wave of the story to pretend like he's a major player in the story.

He does this all of the time.
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Broo said:
My attempted translation:

"It's something that I want, something that I dream of and everyone knows what I want but it doesn't depend on me."

"You want to leave Manchester, do you think it will be very difficult?"

"It's always difficult because it's not one person who decides, it's many people but we'll see. I think it could be good for both parties, we'll see. It's a dream, a step forward, whatever you want to call it. For me, it's a very good opportunity and as Scolari says, the train only passes by once so we have to take advantage of certain things. People have to grab hold of the opportunities that arise in life, so we'll see what happens."

"Will you be able to carry out this dream?

"I really hope so. We'll see."


Guillem's attempted translation:

Ronaldo: It is something I want, something I dream of...You all know what I want...

Guillem: Do you think it is going to be very difficult to get out of United?

Ronaldo: It is always difficult. It is not only one person deciding, it is many people, but it can be a very good thing for everybody...It is a dream, a step forward, you can call it what you want. For me it is a great opportunity, and as Scolari says, that train passes by only once, and we have to take advantage of it...people have to take advantage of opportunities.

Guillem: Do you think your dream will come true?

Ronaldo: I really hope so, lets see
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Comparing Guillem's translation and my translation of the relevant quotes, I can't see too many differences. I'm not a professional translator or anything but my Spanish is good enough to know what Ronaldo said, and I can't see any examples of how his translation is "MUCH MUCH MUCH more damning than what it actually is".
 
BahamaRed said:
I'm actually still harbouring the hope that he may stay but I'm uncomfortable with that thought. There's no need to disbelieve the Balague interviews and it also makes the Brazil website interview more believable now. It's obvious he wants to go. I can see no way that United could keep him and from what I can gauge from my Manchester friends and family nobody wants him anymore. Just a matter of how much we can get for him and seeing as we don't want to sell him then Real will have to pay through the nose.
To me that's £100M. No more. No less. And up front please....no payments on the never never. Come on Real. Shovel all your $ into the OT coffers!
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Just remember mate, if we sell the club will make sure we don't get screwed. With out recent record of scouting and buying we can be optimistic whatever happens, we'll bring in the right people
 
Spoonov said:
I'm actually. NO idea what he has to say, other than feck off United. I want Real. . .but I could still be at United if there's no deal.
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They'd still probably make some reasons to doubt it's authenticity.

Love does strange things to you.
 
Striker10 said:
after/during the Worldcup 2006 the boy came out in front of the world and said a lot worse.....don't underestimate Sir Alex or United
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Cristiano Ronaldo plans Real move

Posted: Wednesday, June 28, 2006. 2:34am AEST

Manchester United and Portugal winger Cristiano Ronaldo says he would like to play for Real Madrid and plans to talk about his future after the World Cup.

Ronaldo has aligned himself with a candidate for Real's presidential election on July 2, Juan Miguel Villar Mir, and although he has made no firm commitment to a move he says he will open negotiations if Villar Mir wins.

"I have told my agent I am prepared to leave. I want to do it in the best manner possible. I want to play for Real Madrid and dream of doing so," Ronaldo told the Spanish sports daily Marca on Tuesday.

"I have gone with Villar Mir's project because it is serious and follows correct procedures. They have explained to me their plans and the next step is they will talk to Manchester United to open negotiations.

"Other candidates wanted me to sign a document which is not legal. Villar Mir has promised me he will talk to the club and all we have done is talk through an agent."

Villar Mir's move to sign Ronaldo is similar to Florentino Perez's election winning gambit that helped him to the presidency in 2000, when he said he would sign Barcelona's Luis Figo if the members elected him.
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digg some more and you'll find out he's saying the same shit he said 2 years ago. nonetheless, you don't do this to a club. shameful behaviour
 
devilish said:
http://www.sportmediaset.it/mercato/articoli/12710/schuster+ronaldo

It seems that Schuster had said that they may be forced to give us two players that he never wanted them to leave in exchange for Ronaldo. He didnt gave names but the media thinks that they are Sneijder and Robinho.
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any money mentioned on top of that?

In a weird way, we can't lose. We would strengthen the squad. Additionally, we'd be saving ourselves two years down the line having these problems with Ronaldo and his fecking dreams
 
ThatOldRedMagic said:
Look at what Jason actually points out; journos selectively quote, and quote out of context to spice up their stories. It's all part of their craft. For sure, some are better and some are worse, but their job is to write stories. Look at that scam we in the Caf started about signing Kaka; several outlets - including MUTV - picked it up. They are desperate for news, and the competition is fierce. It's so easy to leave bits out of a quote, and skew the meaning totally away from that intended by the person giving the interview. Look at that BBC documentary which purported to show HM The Queen storming out of a photo session in the Garter Robes, when in fact it turned out the footage was filmed as she hurried into the session.

Look at the bits Ballague left out, and that includes words preceding his quotes, not just whole questions and answers.

All we are saying is that large sections of the Caf have fallen for a story which at the moment is feeding off its own momentum. Little of substance exists. The prevarications and dissimulations on Ronaldo's part are probably not even apparant to him. He speaks Portuguese and doesn't see the mainstream english media, never mind the Caf.

The time for verdicts, damning or otherwise, will come once we have the facts. Right now all we have is speculation based on misrepresentation of a combination of mischievous utterances on the part of Real and all its works on the one hand and a lack of clarity (for reasons we don't yet actually know)on the part of Ronaldo on the other.

My earlier post concerning the burning of single, intelligent, independent women as witches by repellent, ignorant mobs in the grip of mass-hysteria stands.
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An excellent post and some very valid points mate. I'll be interested as to what SAF has to say as he will be the man in the know, not these journalists.
 
Striker10 said:
any money mentioned on top of that?

In a weird way, we can't lose. We would strengthen the squad. Additionally, we'd be saving ourselves two years down the line having these problems with Ronaldo and his fecking dreams
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The thing that worries me is that we'll get RVN back.
 
Striker10 said:
any money mentioned on top of that?

In a weird way, we can't lose. We would strengthen the squad. Additionally, we'd be saving ourselves two years down the line having these problems with Ronaldo and his fecking dreams
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What it says is that Shuster said that they may be forced to let one or two players go.

Im sure that money add ons will be involved.
 
Rednails said:
The thing that worries me is that we'll get RVN back.
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I think you can sleep easy on that one :)

I know it sounds like denial but we have a lot to look forward too. There are a few big game players available, which is quite unusual

we have an opportunity to really take advantage if we play it right
 
zain said:
Looks like it


Probably



Don't we all wish?!
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I think we can demand that much for him.
We need to get this done quick and start signing players.

Berbatov (20m), ben arfa (15m), aguero (30m) = 65m

That leaves us with 35m change and that before we go into our allocated transfer fund which is what, 30-50m....this is all in theory obviously.
The days keep going by and were seemingly doing nothing. i dont want this ron saga to go on the entire window and us lose him and then have no time left to buy. and rush into buying santa cruz for double his value.:nervous:
 
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