ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation

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united.7 said:
Stop it, this is ridiculous now.

Some of you have stupendously idealistic views about how footballers should act, please, do you think any of this saga has been manipulated by Ronaldo himself?

No no no, Jorge Mendes and Calderon are responsible, and us, we have never been squeaky clean so maybe something about the pot calling the kettle...
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I agree with your comment that we have not been so squeaky clean in the past so we should be careful when playing the innocent victims / Madrid are total wankers cards too liberally. As I have said a few thousand posts ago in this thread - they are on a different scale to us in throwing their weight around to the detriment of smaller clubs, but that is also something we do. Its just the law of the jungle - there is always a bigger animal out there hunting you, no matter who you are. (Unless you are Madrid, maybe.)

I disagree with your absolving Ronaldo of any blame in this. I dont necessarily begrudge him his move if that is his boyhood dream. I think he is making a mistake, but I dont feel as bitter about this as I once did - I think I am coming to accept it. As long as we dont get raped over the tranfer fee like we often have been in the past.
 
Kiwi Red said:
The worst thing about this whole affair is the betrayal...

Ronaldo was vilified after WC06 and hated by most of England, but Ferguson, United and the fans were just fantastic with him, and have helped him become the success story he is.

Yes, he has repaid us with two fantastic seasons, but what he is giving back to the fans and the club is nothing compared with the effort put into him.

A lot of the quotes and reports may be complete rubbish, but if true, he should be ashamed of himself.
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Eh? What effort? Singing a few songs?

"Forgiving" him for an incident where he's done nothing wrong in the first-place?

This whole shite about us fans somehow being owed something is loony tunes.
 
Sarni said:
We, on the other hand, had the most recognisable player in the world who was just what Real Madrid wanted at the time. We let him go for 25 million, then went and used that money to buy a Cameroonian midfielder that nobody have ever heard about, Brazilian midfielder that was also wanted by mighty Newcastle and no one else and a young Portuguese winger. That was hardly a good piece of business financial wise, even though Ronaldo turned out to be very, very good and a bargain at that price. Beckham was worth far more than that.
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FlawlessThaw said:
He probably was but you forgot one crucial element. We wanted to sell Beckham, and that is probably the biggest driver down on the price. This situation is very different unless Ferguson has a U-turn.
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I agree with you as regards the price, in fact I posted a Sunday Times article a long time ago saying that very same thing. Also, we seem to have overcome our blip as regards iffy purchases. So that won't be a factor either, in my opinion.
 
The worse thing is he doesn't even have to say anything...


All he needs is for his agent to release a statement.


However, if we are re-negotiating a new contract with him, then saying nothing and allowinf for all this speculation makes A LOT of sense on his part. It could help him get more £$£$£$
 
brophs said:
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I agree with you as regards the price, in fact I posted a Sunday Times article a long time ago saying that very same thing. Also, we seem to have overcome our blip as regards iffy purchases. So that won't be a factor either, in my opinion.
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That was the one summer we got fecked over by Kenyon who took all our targets to Chelsea. Ferguson had to look elsewhere.
 
IhabX7 said:
We obviously won't let him rot in the reserves that just silly talk. Its not like he hates Manchester United, he still loves the club and the fans (whether he's showing it or not) its not like he will be in deep depression if he stayed. He will give his all, thats him, hes a winner.
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At this point, yes. If Real continue their dirty games we may get to a point in which Ronaldo refuses to stay to an extent that we absolutely have to sell him. And that's what they have been aiming to so far, in my view. Honestly, I've never realized how cnutish they are until now.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
If Ferguson can spend 20 minutes alone with Ronaldo, then he will still be playing for United next season.
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Tell that if we end the season winning feck all not after we won everything except the fa cup.

you dont need to convince any player that was at United this season that this is the best club to be.
 
IhabX7 said:
We obviously wo't let him rot in the reserves that just silly talk. Its not like he hates Manchester United, he still loves the club and the fans (whether he's showing it or not) its not like he will be in deep depression if he stayed..
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I really don't understand how these statement can still be valid after he has been courting for the Madrid attention for so long, and publicly announcing he wanted to play for them! He may not hate United, but to say be still loves the club the fans, you are in totally denial! He's not dissimilar to a high end prostitute who's main concern is money, no moral!

IhabX7 said:
He will give his all, thats him, hes a winner.
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He has a contract to fulfill that's him, he has to work to earn his wages. Yes, giving his all so he would still be one of the best players, not out of loving the club and fans!
 
if he (ronaldo) goes, he will be remembered at old trafford as an excellent player for us.
we have had a few.
if he stays, he could become the best ever united player...that is some accolade.
at realmadrid he will be another galactico...

it is what his ambitions for the future are,imho.
 
kinkster said:
End of the day until I see the words coming out of Ronnies mouth then its all heresay and speculation. Terra has a fairly reliable rep but there is no evidence as to what context any coments have been made until you can see him in interview.

That being said if he goes then good luck to the lad, hes the best player in the world but united are the best club weve proved that and will still be with or without him.

Robhino + something in the region of 40-50mil would be a dam good deal and allow us to push on from the success of this season.
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Is this like the football equivelent of the philosophical debate about a tree falling down in a woods - if nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound?

If you dont actually see and hear ronaldo making a statement then did he actually make it?

There is no context to explain this away. In this case things really are quite simple. The boy wants to go to Madrid. We all knew this before this summer.
 
REd FUn DevIl said:
Tell that if we end the season winning feck all not after we won everything except the fa cup.

you dont need to convince any player that was at United this season that this is the best club to be.
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Well looks like you do, particularly if the player believes he has learnt and won all he can at United. Sometimes its good to go when you are at the top and feel you have nothing left to win. Ferguson can convince him otherwise.
 
Cristiano still cries day and night
Cristiano's not happy with his life
He want to do this, he want to do that
You want to be kind, but ends up flat for love
For love

He tries so hard to give a lot
He wants to be what he is not
Love's not harsh and love's not bad
And what's he doing for love is so bad
(He wants to be so bad)
(He wants to be so bad) All the time getting in
Things he can't get out
Something deep inside of him
Eating up the pride of him
That makes him buy things for the girls
(That's what you get for being polite)
(For being polite)

Cristiano still sits all alone
He lives the world that is his own
He's lost in thought of who to be
I wish to Sir Alex that he would see just love
Give him love

He tries so hard to give a lot
He wants to be what he is not
Love's not harsh and love's not bad
And what's he doing for love is so sad
(He wants to be so bad)
(He wants to be so bad) All the time getting in
Things he can't get out
Something deep inside of him
Eating up the pride of him
That makes him buy things for the girls
(That's what you get for being polite)
(For being polite)

(Cristiano still) Tryin' to make you happy, but...
(Cristiano still) Tryin' to make you happy, but...
(Cristiano still) Tryin' to make you happy, but he's not, but he's not

(Cristiano still) Tryin' to make you, but don't you know he cries
(Cristiano still) Don't you know he's scared
(Cristiano still) It's often for his love, it's for his love
Don't you know he often cries about you
He cries about me
He cries about you (You) and me (And me)
And every little thing that's in his way
He cries about me
He cries about you (You) and me (And me)
Know that he deserves to cry

(Cristiano still) Don't you know he cries
(Cristiano still) Don't you know he's scared
(Cristiano still) It's often for his love, yeah, yeah
Don't you know, don't you know, don't you know, don't you know
Don't you know, don't you know, don't you know, don't you know
He cries, he cries because there is a lack of love
 
KingDingle22 said:
However, if we are re-negotiating a new contract with him, then saying nothing and allowinf for all this speculation makes A LOT of sense on his part. It could help him get more £$£$£$
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There was no need for that. Ronaldo is loved by everyone at Old Trafford and he knows that, United aren't a club that would save their money by offering their best players inappropriate contracts. He would get exactly what he wanted if he asked for it, I believe.
 
Sarni said:
There was no need for that. Ronaldo is loved by everyone at Old Trafford and he knows that, United aren't a club that would save their money by offering their best players inappropriate contracts. He would get exactly what he wanted if he asked for it, I believe.
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Not if he thinks he is getting paid less than Rio, a lot of this bollocks started when Rio sealed his new deal.
 
neno said:
yes but my point was that ronaldinho even in a shit barca, since he got there he was already starting to be their best player and starting to score goals, give assits. he even made saviola look like he was worth 2 shits and a half. he always looked amazing on his own even in a shit team.

"in 04 they had a great second half of a season and really went up in the table, and that's when they really started clicking"

yeah i said that too.

Ronaldinho was already being courted by the likes of milan and chelsea after being there for one season. before deco and etoo came there.
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he was 24 years old in 03/04 (Ronaldo is 23 NOW!) and not even considered the best in the world, it was only in the next 2 seasons when he really set the nou camp alight and became deservingly lauded as teh best in teh world at 26 and that happened thanks to a great team not a shit one!

Ronaldo is the best player in teh wold at 23....
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Not if he thinks he is getting paid less than Rio, a lot of this bollocks started when Rio sealed his new deal.
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It's not much of a trouble to make their contracts even by offering Ronaldo a new deal. Nobody at the club would oppose to that, even the less paid players would probably agree to that.

Players like Ronaldo do not really need to play any games in order to get a new deal.
 
Sarni said:
There was no need for that. Ronaldo is loved by everyone at Old Trafford and he knows that, United aren't a club that would save their money by offering their best players inappropriate contracts. He would get exactly what he wanted if he asked for it, I believe.
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No player ever gets exactly what they want. They settle for a sum midway between what they want and what the club wants to pay. That's why negotiating a new contract takes ages.
 
he will be in the portugal press conference today with Nuno Gomes.
lets see if he says something.
 
Sarni said:
It's not much of a trouble to make their contracts even by offering Ronaldo a new deal. Nobody at the club would oppose to that, even the less paid players would probably agree to that.

Players like Ronaldo do not really need to play any games in order to get a new deal.
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History would suggest that they do need to play games to get a new deal particularly if they feel they deserve more money.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Eh? What effort? Singing a few songs?

"Forgiving" him for an incident where he's done nothing wrong in the first-place?

This whole shite about us fans somehow being owed something is loony tunes.
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I don't know.

It's not really about being owed anything, but there's definitely a fair gripe to be had.If you want to move clubs, or have issues with the club, you should be man enough to work it out with them.

Waiting until your thousands of miles away, and then airing your views to some Brazilian website, is disrespectful to both the club, and fans. Not only that, but its the actions of a complete coward of a person. It paints him out to be a bit of a bellend, to be honest.

The thing is, for Cristiano Ronaldo, it's never been about Manchester United. It's always been about Cristiano Ronaldo, all the time, every moment he's been at United. I can accept that, he's no requirement to be any different, but the least he could do is man up and show at least a basic level of respect for the likes of Sir Alex and United, by being straight with them and keeping it in house, instead of mouthing off from the other side of Europe....again.

If he comes out and denies the quotes are true at any point then fair enough. I doubt they're not genuine though. He's 23, it's about time he grew up.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
So.

To sum up.

Ronaldo - "I stay"
Ronaldo's mum - "He stay"
Calderon - "We're not buying him"
Gill - "We're not selling him"
Caftards - "Waaaaaaaaah! He's a cnut!"


Have I missed anything out?
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'I might move sometime in the future - but only God knows for sure'.

That's the one that the drama queens want to interpret as him being a 2-faced leaver. :D
 
noodlehair said:
If he comes out and denies the quotes are true at any point then fair enough. I doubt they're not genuine though. He's 23, it's about time he grew up.
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Good point, the entire world keeps blabbering about them yet he doesn't even care to deny them. I don't buy into 'he need to concentrate on Euro' argument. As if there was anything tiresome about coming out at a press conference and stating the obvious.

I've never supposed he loved the club though. He's too much in love with himself to have any affection towards his employers. He won't even care about Real Madrid either, he just considers himself too big for any club from what I've seen.

He's possibly the most dislikable character in the game, honestly. It's a pity that all the talent went to him when the likes of Djemba Djemba got none.
 
ronaldinho was started to be considered one of the best after he lead the barca revival in 2003/2004. with a historic 2nd half of the league point haul.(he was 23) Then in late december when the world player of the year awards where given. ronaldinho won it he was 24 by that december (wow one more year.. big difference) he didnt get the the ballon d'or that year even though his performances where more consistent than shevas in 2004, the claim was basically that he had won nothing yet with barca. but ronaldinho was already considered by a lot of people the best when he was 24. Ronaldo has yet to dominate teams like chelsea, milan, real madrid, like ronaldinho did everytime when he was arsed to play.
 
Sarni said:
Good point, the entire world keeps blabbering about them yet he doesn't even care to deny them. I don't buy into 'he need to concentrate on Euro' argument. As if there was anything tiresome about coming out at a press conference and stating the obvious.

I've never supposed he loved the club though. He's too much in love with himself to have any affection towards his employers. He won't even care about Real Madrid either, he just considers himself too big for any club from what I've seen.

He's possibly the most dislikable character in the game, honestly. It's a pity that all the talent went to him when the likes of Djemba Djemba got none.
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feck me, what a difference a day makes.
 
Sarni said:
Good point, the entire world keeps blabbering about them yet he doesn't even care to deny them. I don't buy into 'he need to concentrate on Euro' argument. As if there was anything tiresome about coming out at a press conference and stating the obvious.

I've never supposed he loved the club though. He's too much in love with himself to have any affection towards his employers. He won't even care about Real Madrid either, he just considers himself too big for any club from what I've seen.

He's possibly the most dislikable character in the game, honestly. It's a pity that all the talent went to him when the likes of Djemba Djemba got none.
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You're getting very emotional about this; I can see it.
 
OK, this is getting worrying now.

Taking a look at the following growth of this thread:

Pages Date
0 22/05/2008 12:59
5 24/05/2008 21:12
10 27/05/2008 17:36
15 31/05/2008 02:14
20 01/06/2008 10:50
25 01/06/2008 15:39
30 01/06/2008 19:41
35 02/06/2008 14:35
40 02/06/2008 20:32
45 03/06/2008 23:15
50 04/06/2008 11:30
55 04/06/2008 15:55
60 04/06/2008 20:09
65 05/06/2008 13:06
70 05/06/2008 16:00
75 05/06/2008 17:25
80 05/06/2008 20:41
85 05/06/2008 22:51
90 06/06/2008 03:17
95 06/06/2008 11:10

I stuck these into excel, and graphed it, then added a trendline, then forecast that trendline to the end of the transfer window. It seems that this thread will be about 500,000 pages long by then, which is about 20,000,000 posts... Ronaldo leaving is the last thing we need to worry about, this thread could take over the world!:nervous:

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Sarni said:
Good point, the entire world keeps blabbering about them yet he doesn't even care to deny them. I don't buy into 'he need to concentrate on Euro' argument. As if there was anything tiresome about coming out at a press conference and stating the obvious.

I've never supposed he loved the club though. He's too much in love with himself to have any affection towards his employers. He won't even care about Real Madrid either, he just considers himself too big for any club from what I've seen.

He's possibly the most dislikable character in the game, honestly. It's a pity that all the talent went to him when the likes of Djemba Djemba got none.
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:rolleyes: Not true at all, if SAF praises him constantly for his personality and intelligence then clearly he is being painted to the media as something he is not.
 
A1Dan said:
OK, this is getting worrying now.

Taking a look at the following growth of this thread:

Pages Date
0 22/05/2008 12:59
5 24/05/2008 21:12
10 27/05/2008 17:36
15 31/05/2008 02:14
20 01/06/2008 10:50
25 01/06/2008 15:39
30 01/06/2008 19:41
35 02/06/2008 14:35
40 02/06/2008 20:32
45 03/06/2008 23:15
50 04/06/2008 11:30
55 04/06/2008 15:55
60 04/06/2008 20:09
65 05/06/2008 13:06
70 05/06/2008 16:00
75 05/06/2008 17:25
80 05/06/2008 20:41
85 05/06/2008 22:51
90 06/06/2008 03:17
95 06/06/2008 11:10

I stuck these into excel, and graphed it, then added a trendline, then forecast that trendline to the end of the transfer window. It seems that this thread will be about 500,000 pages long by then, which is about 20,000,000 posts... Ronaldo leaving is the last thing we need to worry about, this thread could take over the world!:nervous:

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Sarni said:
Good point, the entire world keeps blabbering about them yet he doesn't even care to deny them. I don't buy into 'he need to concentrate on Euro' argument. As if there was anything tiresome about coming out at a press conference and stating the obvious.

I've never supposed he loved the club though. He's too much in love with himself to have any affection towards his employers. He won't even care about Real Madrid either, he just considers himself too big for any club from what I've seen.

He's possibly the most dislikable character in the game, honestly. It's a pity that all the talent went to him when the likes of Djemba Djemba got none.
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Good point, I have no doubt that Ronaldo has enjoyed winning the FA cup, two Pls, and a CL at United, but I think he'd have been just as happy winning them at Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea or Spartak Moscow. In fact, if Juve hadn't have blinked at the asking price he'd have been plying his trade in Italy for the last five years.
 
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