ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation

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Feed Me said:
Spoken the truth? Er, no. He has never come out and told us what the feck he was doing. He left it to insidious Marca/RM driven campaigns to engineer his transfer. His constant, "I will comment in two weeks" statements allowed the whole thing to drag on and on and on and on...

He courted the attention and he fuelled the fire with his deafening silence.

You are completely wrong in your assertions. Until yesterday he never told the truth or spoke with any clarity.

Sometimes you have to read between the lines - Ronaldo clearly had an agenda and went about it in a very unclassy way. It is undeniable.
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So you can clearly state which agenda he was pursuing at different times and which weight of un-spun evidence clearly indicates that can you?

He never told us whether he was moving or not because, despite his inclinations, it was not his decision (this he told us) - he would have been happy playing for either Utd or RM (this he told us) - he would like to play in Spain sometime (this he has told us regularly) - possibly RM next year (this he told us once and oddly). Ultimately RM could not persuade Utd to sell - so he gave us the relevant parts of the saga in the interview.

Once again, I repeat: no "I'm unhappy", no transfer request, no 'I must move', no strike threats etc. etc.

That's the truth - and that's what he spoke - clarity would have been counterproductive I suspect.
 
RedPhil1957 said:
Do you know exactly what Blatter said? and when did he beg Real to stump up the money as you put it ......... another quote from a "friend"
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"If the player wants to play somewhere else, then a solution should be found because if he stays in a club where he does not feel comfortable to play then it's not good for the player and for the club.

"I'm always in favour of protecting the player and if the player, he wants to leave, let him leave.

"I think in football there's too much modern slavery in transferring players or buying players here and there, and putting them somewhere.

"We are trying now to intervene in such cases. The reaction to the Bosman law is to make long-lasting contacts in order to keep the players and then if he wants to leave, then there is only one solution, he has to pay his contract."

Source.
 
Count Duckula said:
It's all rather dull, frankly. Do none of you realise that you're all being made to look like bone-headed idiots?
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Probably.

I'm still pissed off. If I can't vent about it here, what's the point of this place?
 
Count Duckula said:
What's the point of this discussion anymore? There are those who think the whole thing has been blown out of proportion (Pogue, FS) and there are those who think that Ronaldo has irrevocably damaged his reputation with the fans by treating the club so shamelessly (dippersripper, CnutofAllCnuts).

Neither side is going to agree with the other and all we get is post after post of tedious repetition followed by a bunch of green laughing smileys that, I suppose, are supposed to get across how stupid the other side are "clearly" being.

It's all rather dull, frankly. Do none of you realise that you're all being made to look like bone-headed idiots?
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I rather be a bone-headed idiot with an opinion in a thread ---than someone stupid enough to bother to read and post when he finds it so dull
 
noodlehair said:
He did lie.

I'd have thought better of him if he'd kept his mouth shut and handled the matter with the club, rather than making some bizarre and obviously doomed attempt to cut them out of the equation.
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As I posted earlier - what was the lie? Was it that or a change of mind? If the latter, what happened to change it?
 
nickm said:
"If the player wants to play somewhere else, then a solution should be found because if he stays in a club where he does not feel comfortable to play then it's not good for the player and for the club.

"I'm always in favour of protecting the player and if the player, he wants to leave, let him leave.

"I think in football there's too much modern slavery in transferring players or buying players here and there, and putting them somewhere.

"We are trying now to intervene in such cases. The reaction to the Bosman law is to make long-lasting contacts in order to keep the players and then if he wants to leave, then there is only one solution, he has to pay his contract."

Source.
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Sky posted quotes ok, they did manage to change the order a little but what the hell does it matter
 
RedPhil1957 said:
Sky posted quotes ok, they did manage to change the order a little but what the hell does it matter
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So, you think Fergie spoke against the blatter comments without doing any research just by reading the newspapers? It wasn't just Fergie, even UEFA spoke against it.
 
Sultan said:
I understand that buddy..

I'm talking about his off pitch value which United's money men and their backers will be concerned about, with particular part of the statement.
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That's just it. Don't want to make you feel old but people like you and I and the other thousands of blokes who have supported the club since before the Premier League was a twinkle in some Marketing gimp's eye - and who will always have more time for players like Giggs, Neville and Scholes - represent a tiny, tiny % of the global market that can be exploited when you have football's poster-boy, CR7, in the team. Even if it is for just one more season.

Seriously, the guy is marketable at a level that no footballer has ever come close before. Even Becks. Having him on our books is a license to print money. And a summer's flirting with Real Madrid won't change that one bit, whether we like it or not.
 
Dippersripper said:
So, we've got blatter apologists now:lol:
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If you care to look way back at the time, I suggested Blatter probably deliberately separated the remarks about Ronaldo & slavery but deliberately allowed them to occur soon after each other in the interview. Thus he got the effect without actually providing a cast-iron case that he called Ronaldo a slave. (That's the paranoid Utd fan against Blatter-Platini-RM-etc. speaking.)

Blatter's made enough prattish remarks to suggest that the 'slavery' remarks may not have been apposite though - even in the context he felt he'd provided (eg.) about African players coming on what seem good contracts who do not recognise European costs of living. No way I'm a Blater apologist - but we must recognise he's as liable to being misquoted as anyone.

Anyway, the more relevant point is that, given how Blatter's remarks were structured, it isn't automatically clear that Ronaldo was agreeing with the idea he was a slave as opposed to the idea that players being happy was important.
 
Feedingseagulls said:
If you care to look way back at the time, I suggested Blatter probably deliberately separated the remarks about Ronaldo & slavery but deliberately allowed them to occur soon after each other in the interview. Thus he got the effect without actually providing a cast-iron case that he called Ronaldo a slave. (That's the paranoid Utd fan against Blatter-Platini-RM-etc. speaking.)

Blatter's made enough prattish remarks to suggest that the 'slavery' remarks may not have been apposite though - even in the context he felt he'd provided (eg.) about African players coming on what seem good contracts who do not recognise European costs of living. No way I'm a Blater apologist - but we must recognise he's as liable to being misquoted as anyone.

Anyway, the more relevant point is that, given how Blatter's remarks were structured, it isn't automatically clear that Ronaldo was agreeing with the idea he was a slave as opposed to the idea that players being happy was important.
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Fair enough, I don't agree with that though and I don't want to talk about Ronaldo
 
nickm said:
"If the player wants to play somewhere else, then a solution should be found because if he stays in a club where he does not feel comfortable to play then it's not good for the player and for the club.

"I'm always in favour of protecting the player and if the player, he wants to leave, let him leave.

"I think in football there's too much modern slavery in transferring players or buying players here and there, and putting them somewhere.

"We are trying now to intervene in such cases. The reaction to the Bosman law is to make long-lasting contacts in order to keep the players and then if he wants to leave, then there is only one solution, he has to pay his contract."

Source.
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...and to how many different questions, in what order, were those the responses? How much has been edited out?

Without accurate context you cannot evaluate any text - to evaluate replies without the questions, and in a possibly arbitrary order, is futile.
 
Dippersripper said:
So, you think Fergie spoke against the blatter comments without doing any research just by reading the newspapers? It wasn't just Fergie, even UEFA spoke against it.
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I could not care a feck about Blatter and his stupid comments it is the way they have been used as a case against Ronaldo, very few had any idea exactly what Blatter had said and I doubt whether Ronaldo had either.
I am not trying to say Ronaldo is Mr Innocent, but he has not been nearly as disloyal as some think and the anti-ronaldo crap some so called United fans have come out with frankly discusts me
 
nickm said:
A fecking lie. Night of being Euro Champion - says one thing. Morning after: says another. That's not mind changing. That's him lying.
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Casting my mind, but not my search engine, back to the time ,I remember the remark about being interested in RM as being non-time-specific. This would fit since I remember the Terra interview as the only one that ever indicated a move happening this summer as opposed to sometime. So there was no obvious conflict.

To recap my remarks at the time - I reckoned he thought he'd earned a better contract and was expecting an agreeement about it soon (hence the short early deadlines) - yet he was open to other offers - and not just as a bargaining tool.

Unfortunately the contract didn't happen - and RM persuaded him they would make a serious offer to Utd and himself. At that point he considered what he'd done, and what he'd like to do - so he left it to the clubs to decide. He was probably pissed off about the 'sitting in the stands' remark, by not getting a new contract, swayed by the cultural and family advantages, and by the commitment RM were apparently about to show. So he went into non-commital mode.

Now this is all something of a guess - the advantage is that it takes everything he says at face value, as honestly reflecting his views, and as portraying him as consistent in his approach throughout. I've always been taught that when evaluating someone's statements you should display 'intellectual charity' - ie. seeing their statements/arguments in their strongest/best interpretations and assuming that they are likely to want to be consistent.

nickm said:
It is quite obvious that he was attempting to get out of his agreement with United and strike a deal with Real.
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The phrase you actually used was 'wriggle out of his contract' if that's what you want to call it when someone gets transferred from one club to another with the full agreement of the selling club then most footballers are 'wrigglers' - and they are aided & abetted by the selling clubs on the most part. :nono:

Personally, I would only use the phrase 'wriggling out of his contract' to describe someone attempting to evade the force of a contract on a technicality rather than someone acknowledging the priviledged position that it grants to the contract holder in negotiations. :D

Perhaps not so stupid on this side of the debate after all.
 
RedPhil1957 said:
Sky posted quotes ok, they did manage to change the order a little but what the hell does it matter
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Changed the order, and excised the context of the questions - which completely screws the sense.

So, given that Ronnie's (likely) most heinous crime resulted from his agreeing with some part fo this interview, it's entirely sensible to ask 'to what did he think he was agreeing?' Of course, if someone (not yourself perhaps) is committed to seeing Ronnie as a c*nt then just believing the worst suits them fine.
 
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Count Duckula said:
What's the point of this discussion anymore? There are those who think the whole thing has been blown out of proportion (Pogue, FS) and there are those who think that Ronaldo has irrevocably damaged his reputation with the fans by treating the club so shamelessly (dippersripper, CnutofAllCnuts).

Neither side is going to agree with the other and all we get is post after post of tedious repetition followed by a bunch of green laughing smileys that, I suppose, are supposed to get across how stupid the other side are "clearly" being.

It's all rather dull, frankly. Do none of you realise that you're all being made to look like bone-headed idiots?
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Whereas your own contribution to the debate seems entirely pointless tbh.
 
Dippersripper said:
So, you think Fergie spoke against the blatter comments without doing any research just by reading the newspapers? It wasn't just Fergie, even UEFA spoke against it.
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Whereas his own organisation, FIFA, clarified it - a clarification that received little coverage.

UEFA, who are in a situation of political strain as regards FIFA (I hear), criticised the idea of using slavery as an analogy. They never suggested he'd compared Ronaldo to a slave. From memory, SAF's response was along the same lines - it was a stupid form of words.
 
Feedingseagulls said:
Whereas your own contribution to the debate seems entirely pointless tbh.
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What debate? There is no debate anymore. All this thread consists of is people rightly voicing their opinion and then you swanning in and deriding them like the self-inflated pompous twit that you are.

The fact that you're fighting what is clearly a losing battle seems to matter little to you. If you're right about Ronaldo being horribly repwesented by the big mean pwess (which you're probably not, by the way) then you're still not going to convince those that believe otherwise to see your side of things. Fans have drawn their lines, and to just accuse them of being spastic and irrational because they refuse to take your side helps no one.
 
"Viva Ronaldo"

Will you ever sing it again? After all the fecking about he's done with United through the summer. He has completely disrespected the club and been an ungrateful little boy. Does he deserve our support anymore?
 
There will be no more Viva Ronaldo from me but it won't take long before the South Stand donate their one and only contribution by chanting it after a few goals have been scored by him.
 
I've disliked his antics this summer but it's typical of the boys genius that he'll probably pull things out of the bag and maybe even go as far as topping what he achieved last season, if not in quantity of goals scored then by doing things such as scoring late winners against main rivals.
 
I know he has been a cnut and his dream is to play for real (which is fair enough cos tevez's dream was to play for united) but if he gives 100% to the united cause i will support him.
 
Number7 said:
I've disliked his antics this summer but it's typical of the boys genius that he'll probably pull things out of the bag and maybe even go as far as topping what he achieved last season, if not in quantity of goals scored then by doing things such as scoring late winners against main rivals.
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He's such an arrogant, extrinsically driven bastard, that it's entirely possible.

Ronaldo will not lose any motivation to do well this year, of that i am almost certain.
 
rockerlad said:
I know he has been a cnut and his dream is to play for real (which is fair enough cos tevez's dream was to play for united) but if he gives 100% to the united cause i will support him.
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He needs to stop acting like a child. When he gets fouled he stays on the ground and throws his arms up in the air like a baby. He needs to cut that shit out and get off your ass and chase the ball down and try to win it back.
 
unitedbhoy said:
He needs to stop acting like a child. When he gets fouled he stays on the ground and throws his arms up in the air like a baby. He needs to cut that shit out and get off your ass and chase the ball down and try to win it back.
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Ronaldo with rooneys mentality :D
 
unitedbhoy said:
Unfortunately you can't seem to have the 'Rooney mentality' and have all the technique and skill of Ronaldo. Hmmm yes ye can...Lionel Messi.
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Fortunately, we have Rooney who has as good a technique as Ronaldo, if not skill.
 
Ruben said:
He pushed for a transfer by going public and flirting with Real. (unless you believe that he didn`t really push for anything but got tricked by the wicked media into believing all the stuff they wrote) If he wanted out then he could have had a quiet word with the boss at the beginning of the summer, and if the boss said no then he`d have to honour the contract he himself signed.
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It's at this point I maybe suspect some of being paranoid and Ron of being gullible - where as some probably will suspect me of being gullible and Ron of being an evil and scheming plotter.

Ron answered questions from the press as to where he wanted to play the most next year. He first tried to lie ("I stay"), he then tried to duck the question ("I will tell later, not now") and then to be honest.

As I said, he should have stuck to the lie until it was sorted with Ferguson. Not doing so, does in my book not qualify as "orchestrating a move" or "showing a lack of respect for fans' feelings", but more as being naive.

Of course, to The Belittled Lover Fan (BLF):
- if he'd kept with the lie, he would be a "two faced, two tounged, back stabbin son of a portugese prostitute".
- if he'd stuck to the "no comment", he'd be a "soulless ice cold cowardly self serving egoist son of a portugese prostitute".
- if he was honest, he is ... well, obviously, "a cnut".

Of course the problem really IS his dream of playing for Real Madrid.
 
unitedbhoy said:
Will you ever sing it again? After all the fecking about he's done with United through the summer. He has completely disrespected the club and been an ungrateful little boy. Does he deserve our support anymore?
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answer to the last question is clearly no.

Problem is, it'd be counter-productive not to support him. It'd obviously be stupid to get on his back but I can't see an unbridled lusty rendering of "Viva Ronaldo" coming unless he does something special, consistently, to earn it....which he's quite likely to do.
 
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