ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation

[Rednails]

I've now read all this thread and amongst the dross there's some good stuff - those who know me will know those posts I rate.

One strand of this thread deserves further emphasis though.




I'm deeply concerned at the reasonably common idea that Custis has 'written what most United supporters think'.

Just think a bit about the implications of this for a moment. It suggests that MOST Utd supporters think in a similar way to an ABU Sun journalist - shouldn't that give you a clue you might be being hoodwinked?




As Pogue's possibly optimistic view suggested - he doesn't think most ARE like that - I (like he) think most lie somewhere between CR7-fanboy and 'Only True Believers Should Play For Us'.

Custis' article was a horrible, calculating combination of self-righteous prudery and the whines of a rejected lover - custom-styled to appeal to certain fans. Ronaldo fails the ideal - he doesn't worship the club (as much as I do?) - he betrays the club and the club's (and my) possible affection. HOW DARE HE?

Simplistic knee-jerk appeals - a tabloid's stock-in-trade - the only reasons some are falling for it is that those emotions are raw and need both soothing and feeding within them.

Very true. The Sun is a despicable paper playing on people's basic human fears and emotions. They make the bullets and get others to fire them, particularly on issues such as race and nationalism.

This article is designed to wind up people who are feeling hurt and emotional about everything that has happened this summer, in the hope that it will lead to more newsworthy stories. They will be there like vultures when Ronaldo makes his first appearance, hoping for a very bad reaction from the crowd.

Dont give them the satisfaction.

 

[ThatOldRedMagic]

Indeed - keep up the good work here btw - please!

It saves me having to drop in too often.

Depend on me!

 

[Feed Me]

You all make me laugh. Custis is writing the same sensationalist, populist rubbish he always does. All of a sudden he is talking sense because he happens to have an opinion which converges with ours.

Quite frankly, the Ronaldo thing has been done to death. We know it's settled now.

 

[Livvie]

I think it's a good article.

And whilst I'll cheer every goal he might score, and every assist etc. it doesn't mean I have to like or respect Ronaldo. He's been an egotistical prat. We can support him as a United player - we don't have to like him.

He committed himself to United last year, and that's the whole point. It has nothing to do with him wanting to go to Madrid - it's about integrity and commitment. He shouldn't have signed if he didn't want to stay, but once he did sign, then he should have the moral fibre to stick with it.

 

[Feed Me]

I think it's a good article.

And whilst I'll cheer every goal he might score, and every assist etc. it doesn't mean I have to like or respect Ronaldo. He's been an egotistical prat. We can support him as a United player - we don't have to like him.

He committed himself to United last year, and that's the whole point. It has nothing to do with him wanting to go to Madrid - it's about integrity and commitment. He shouldn't have signed if he didn't want to stay, but once he did sign, then he should have the moral fibre to stick with it.

He's off next summer. He doesn't want to be here. Even in his "I'm staying" interview, he was very sure to ensure that everyone knew that it's still his intention to move.

I wish we would sell him this summer in all honesty.

Truth be told though, I'll cheer as loud as anyone when he scores. Have a huge dislike for the guy though.

 

[ThatOldRedMagic]

I think it's a good article.

And whilst I'll cheer every goal he might score, and every assist etc. it doesn't mean I have to like or respect Ronaldo. He's been an egotistical prat. We can support him as a United player - we don't have to like him.

He committed himself to United last year, and that's the whole point. It has nothing to do with him wanting to go to Madrid - it's about integrity and commitment. He shouldn't have signed if he didn't want to stay, but once he did sign, then he should have the moral fibre to stick with it.

The article is tabloid, populist shite of the worst kind. If you can't see that it's just plain sad.

The fact that some are siding with an ABU wum-merchant however, is, sad to say, far more than merely sad. It's disgraceful.

 

[Sultan]

Interesting. Fans have no loyalty to the player, yet they expect the player to have loyalty to the fans. Mmmm....

Contracts - a two-way process.

Veeeerry interesting.....

Fans loyalty should mainly be directed towards the club rather than the player.

Clubs for life.

 

[noodlehair]

What was wrong with how he went about it? He wanted to leave, which he's entitled to, he never handed in a request, and when interviewed, generally said he cannot speak about the matter etc, 'we'll see what happens'.

I think the underlying problem with many is the fact that he wanted to leave in the first place.

I've been over this about 50 times in the other thread.

It's not the wanting to leave, because that was half to be expected. He's never made a secret of wanting to play in Spain.

but you don't wait until you're on the other side of the continent, and then start mouthing off to the press about how it's your dream to play for another club, and hope to secure a transfer without even so much as speaking to Sir Alex, or anyone at United. It's fecking cowardly, and disrespectful.

That's what pissed me off, and to be honest it still does. Thinking that somehow being in another country makes you imune from your own contract. If he'd had his way he'd have fecked off without so much as a goodbye, after blatantly lying to everyone after the CL final.

I can't recall any other player being so childish in leaving, or wanting to leave the club. Even Heinze was man enough to deal with Sir Alex. It leaves a bitter taste, and he's lost a lot of respect from a lot of people. He's no one to blame but himself for that

 

[Feed Me]

Fans loyalty should mainly be directed towards the club rather than the player.

Clubs for life.

True that.

Too many fecking "Ronaldo fans" floating around these days. Sad really.

 

[Feed Me]

I've been over this about 50 times in the other thread.

It's not the wanting to leave, because that was half to be expected. He's never made a secret of wanting to play in Spain.

but you don't wait until you're on the other side of the continent, and then start mouthing off to the press about how it's your dream to play for another club, and hope to secure a transfer without even so much as speaking to Sir Alex, or anyone at United. It's fecking cowardly, and disrespectful.

That's what pissed me off, and to be honest it still does. If he'd had his way he'd have fecked off without so much as a goodbye, after blatantly lying to everyone after the CL final.

I can't recall any other player being so childish in leaving, orwanting to leave the club. Even Heinze was man enough to deal with Sir Alex

The man acted with no morals or humility whatsoever. His conduct has made a mockery of SAF, the club and the fans.

You have to be on a particularly special plane of spasticity to go from being completely and utterly revered and loved by your clubs fans to being the despised figure that he is now.

 

[Dyslexic Untied]

I`d like to add that it`s not United fans siding with Custis against Ronaldo here. It`s just that he happened to write an article that sums up many supporters thoughts about this issue. That doesn`t make Custis less of a cnut or me like him more, nor do I think he is anymore pro-United. It`s like the broken clock being right twice a day. Only this one was right (for me atleast) once in his lifetime.

So it`s perfectly natural for some to agree with this article, while disagreeing with all his other ones. There is no hypocrisy there the way I see it.

 

[Sultan]

I wish we would sell him this summer in all honesty.

That would be some scenario seeing SAF's principles have already been accomplished.

 

[noodlehair]

If I was offered my dream job tomorrow, I wouldn't engineer my way into it by waiting until I was on holiday, and then sending my current employer written notice in the post, without so much as a prior warning or word of thanks.

If I did however, everyone would rightly think I was an utter bellend

 

[RedPhil1957]

The man acted with no morals or humility whatsoever. His conduct has made a mockery of SAF, the club and the fans.

You have to be on a particularly special plane of spasticity to go from being completely and utterly revered and loved by your clubs fans to being the despised figure that he is now.

Utter crap, if you for one moment SAF would have any truck with the lad if that was the case you disrespect him big time.
All of you should bloody grow up!

 

[Feed Me]

That would be some scenario seeing SAF's principles have already been accomplished.

Granted.

I'm saying it's my personal feeling.

I know football fans, myself included, are a fickle bunch and Ronaldo will be a favourite again next season. But I have never, ever known a United player treat the club with such disdain.

It feels like a ticking time bomb with Ronaldo. We all know he is going to go off sooner or later and we are just waiting for the inevitable. It all feels a bit small time for United. I am a subscriber to the "if he doesn't want to be here, let him go" idea.

That said, it's great that the clubs have taken a stand against the spiralling player power. Even more satisfying is the fact that Ronaldo all but admitted that SAF told him he was staying, no questions/back chat permitted.

 

[afrocentricity]

Okay, some posters have a huge dislike for him... fair enough. I think it's more different people than different opinions, you seem to take it very personally that he wishes to play for another team. Like Hargreaves and others before him. You seem to feel slighted by the fact that he didn't conduct his business in a fashion you find 'classy'. Big deal, when all is said and done don't you have bigger things to worry about in your lives.

Looking at the press coverage it would seem that its a manc meltdown when in all honesty it might be a conversation subject for most when bored but not much more. Those that are shouting the loudest (the cnut brigade) are drowning out the sensible posters who realise that while Ronaldo may have made mistakes and misled people etc, he is still like the rest of... a human being. If any of you were 'whiter than white' as you portray yourselves and want Ronaldo to be the world would be a better place and you would probably be out there right now righting the wrongs of the world, truth is, you aren't.

Get off your high horses.

This is over now so we should be looking forward, not going over what's been done to death because Custis 'of all people' has stoked it up again...

Of course you'll carry on...

 

[Feedingseagulls]

The man acted with no morals or humility whatsoever. His conduct has made a mockery of SAF, the club and the fans.

You have to be on a particularly special plane of spasticity to go from being completely and utterly revered and loved by your clubs fans to being the despised figure that he is now.

Alternatively, it could be that both responses are pathological with little connection to the reality of the situation and capable of change between the two states with the smallest of events.

Perhaps neither sentiment was an example of stable, considered reflection on what the situation justified?

If that's too kind, try this:

You have to be on a particularly special plane of spasticity to go from being completely and utterly revering and loving someone to despising them because they told the truth.

 

[Feedingseagulls]

I`d like to add that it`s not United fans siding with Custis against Ronaldo here. It`s just that he happened to write an article that sums up many supporters thoughts about this issue. That doesn`t make Custis less of a cnut or me like him more, nor do I think he is anymore pro-United. It`s like the broken clock being right twice a day. Only this one was right (for me atleast) once in his lifetime.

So it`s perfectly natural for some to agree with this article, while disagreeing with all his other ones. There is no hypocrisy there the way I see it.

You seem to be missing or evading the point - it's not hyypocrisy we are worried about it's the elements to which Custis is appealing within fans (the same he always does) - and suggesting that people should examine what really makes them inclined to agree with him this once. After all, his stance hasn't really changed.

 

[VP]

True that.

Too many fecking "Ronaldo fans" floating around these days. Sad really.

This is another thing that bugs me. If you don't hate Ronaldo, you don't support United. I don't hate Ronaldo, but then I find it hard to genuinely hate someone. Am I a 'Ronaldo' fanboy?

Obviously Ronaldo has behaved disgracefully, people react differently. Some have been melodramatic and emotional while others just don't care. Doesn't make them a Ronaldo fanboy

 

[Feed Me]

Utter crap, if you for one moment SAF would have any truck with the lad if that was the case you disrespect him big time.
All of you should bloody grow up!

We're talking about one of the best players on the planet. SAF has built his reputation on giving the boot to massive, ailing/ageing stars. The likes of Keane, Beckham, Ruud and Stam were all let go when they were deemed expendable. SAF has always given a greater reign to players who he deems vital to the cause.

Are you telling me that SAF has not been perturbed by this whole sequence of events? He has kept his counsel because Ronaldo is such a valuable player on the field. No one is disputing that, but his off the field side show has been an embarrasment.

What you have to consider is that Ronaldo has taken the achievements of the team and rendered them irrelivent. As far as he is concerned, he won the PL and CL and everyone else go can swivel! It is not conducive to good team spirit/ethic. The likes of Ronaldo and VDS have come out and said that the saga has taken the shine off our success. He is not the one man show he thinks he is. Unless I am mistaken, Ronaldo did not single handedly help us to a class defensive record and a host of clean sheets.

 

[ThatOldRedMagic]

I've been over this about 50 times in the other thread.

It's not the wanting to leave, because that was half to be expected. He's never made a secret of wanting to play in Spain.

but you don't wait until you're on the other side of the continent, and then start mouthing off to the press about how it's your dream to play for another club, and hope to secure a transfer without even so much as speaking to Sir Alex, or anyone at United. It's fecking cowardly, and disrespectful.

That's what pissed me off, and to be honest it still does. If he'd had his way he'd have fecked off without so much as a goodbye, after blatantly lying to everyone after the CL final.

I can't recall any other player being so childish in leaving, orwanting to leave the club. Even Heinze was man enough to deal with Sir Alex

He's been foolish. How many of us have not? But in his case there have been many elements in the saga which have contributed to his indecision, perhaps even confusion. No doubt, at the luxurious remove of being detached from it all; not required to consider the facts and make decisions, we can all assume the comfortable role of armchair pundits. One is reminded of Shakespeare's words 'What the great will do, the poor will prate on'.

All such pundits reveal themselves as prurient observers, each with his or her own version of the great wisdom, which they believe they bring to a debate in which they are luxuriously untroubled by the fine details or the personal angles which so affect the nuanced outcome of that reality which only the object of their speculation can truly know.

Hence, one wearily concludes, the eternal popularity of such mindless tracts as 'Hello' magazine or the gossip columns of various newspapers.

 

[Feed Me]

Alternatively, it could be that both responses are pathological with little connection to the reality of the situation and capable of change between the two states with the smallest of events.

Perhaps neither sentiment was an example of stable, considered reflection on what the situation justified?

If that's too kind, try this:

Clever, I like that.

I am not denying a knee jerk reaction as a football fan. But everything I ever say regarding United is 100% genuine.

I don't believe him when he says he will play with his heart and soul. He is here because he has been told to be. He'll play for himself as always. That's fair enough, but I don't see why on earth I should be castigated for disliking him after his conduct.

 

[afrocentricity]

This is another thing that bugs me. If you don't hate Ronaldo, you don't support United. I don't hate Ronaldo, but then I find it hard to genuinely hate someone. Am I a 'Ronaldo' fanboy?

Obviously Ronaldo has behaved disgracefully, people react differently. Some have been melodramatic and emotional while others just don't care. Doesn't make them a Ronaldo fanboy

Tell me about it, it's childish... you don't agree with me, you're not like me so I'm going to call you a name. Err, Ronaldo fan... yeah Ronaldo fanboy, that should hurt [chuckles to self]

Some need to take a step back... the World cup 06 thread was full of stuff like this.

 

[Feedingseagulls]

Hence, one wearily concludes, the eternal popularity of such mindless tracts as 'Hello' magazine or the gossip columns of various newspapers.

Or tabloid sports columns?

 

[Feed Me]

This is another thing that bugs me. If you don't hate Ronaldo, you don't support United. I don't hate Ronaldo, but then I find it hard to genuinely hate someone. Am I a 'Ronaldo' fanboy?

Obviously Ronaldo has behaved disgracefully, people react differently. Some have been melodramatic and emotional while others just don't care. Doesn't make them a Ronaldo fanboy

Never said that Smithy.

I was agreeing with Sultan's point that the club more important than any individual - a point that has been bandied around on the Caf all summer.

There is a disturbing trend of fans who follow a player and support them wherever they go. Ronaldo, Messi, Kaka, Ronaldinho fans etc.

I never said you had to hate Ronaldo to be a proper United fan. I don't hate him - just think he's a bit of a prick.

 

[RedPhil1957]

We're talking about one of the best players on the planet. SAF has built his reputation on giving the boot to massive, ailing/ageing stars. The likes of Keane, Beckham, Ruud and Stam were all let go when they were deemed expendable. SAF has always given a greater reign to players who he deems vital to the cause.

Are you telling me that SAF has not been perturbed by this whole sequence of events? He has kept his counsel because Ronaldo is such a valuable player on the field. No one is disputing that, but his off the field side show has been an embarrasment.

What you have to consider is that Ronaldo has taken the achievements of the team and rendered them irrelivent. As far as he is concerned, he won the PL and CL and everyone else go can swivel! It is not conducive to good team spirit/ethic. The likes of Ronaldo and VDS have come out and said that the saga has taken the shine off our success. He is not the one man show he thinks he is. Unless I am mistaken, Ronaldo did not single handedly help us to a class defensive record and a host of clean sheets.

He could be better than Pele, Maradona and Best rolled into one, if for one moment SAF thought Ronaldo had disrespected the club to the extent you and others believe, let alone your follow up about upsetting other players and therefore team spirit the lad would be in Madrid already

 

[Count Duckula]

He's been foolish. How many of us have not? But in his case there have been many elements in the saga which have contributed to his indecision, perhaps even confusion. No doubt, at the luxurious remove of being detached from it all; not required to consider the facts and make decisions, we can all assume the comfortable role of armchair pundits. One is reminded of Shakespeare's words 'What the great will do, the poor will prate on'.

All such pundits reveal themselves as prurient observers, each with his or her own version of the great wisdom, which they believe they bring to a debate in which they are luxuriously untroubled by the fine details or the personal angles which so affect the nuanced outcome of that reality which only the object of their speculation can truly know.

Hence, one wearily concludes, the eternal popularity of such mindless tracts as 'Hello' magazine or the gossip columns of various newspapers.

If you've ever played either of the Knights of the Old Republic games, you sound like the red assassination robot HK47.

 

[VP]

Never said that Smithy.

I was agreeing with Sultan's point that the club more important than any individual - a point that has been bandied around on the Caf all summer.

There is a disturbing trend of fans who follow a player and support them wherever they go. Ronaldo, Messi, Kaka, Ronaldinho fans etc.

I never said you had to hate Ronaldo to be a proper United fan. I don't hate him - just think he's a bit of a prick.

Fair enough. And there's no doubting he's bit of a prick though. He'd be the most hated player on these forums if he didn't play for us.

 

[Feed Me]

He could be better than Pele, Maradona and Best rolled into one, if for one moment SAF thought Ronaldo had disrespected the club to the extent you and others believe, let alone your follow up about upsetting other players and therefore team spirit the lad would be in Madrid already

You are buying into the SAF-hairdryer myth too much mate.

Take Ronaldo out of our team and we would have been potless last season. SAF knows that. Ronaldo knows that. We all pretty much know that. It would just be nice if Ronaldo received that praise with some humility.

 

[afrocentricity]

I don't believe him when he says he will play with his heart and soul. He is here because he has been told to be.

and thats just plain stupid, if he didn't want to be here then he wouldn't... what would stop him??

after you've all been telling us how much of cnut of he his....

 

[Feed Me]

and thats just plain stupid, if he didn't want to be here then he wouldn't... what would stop him??

after you've all been telling us how much of cnut of he his....

The club has effectively blocked any potential Ronaldo-Madrid move. The intransigent stance adopted by Gill/Ferguson in highlighting the 4 year deal is the reason he is still here.

You are making out that his presence here for another season is because he had a miraculous change of heart. Tosh. He still wants out and will most likely be a Madrid player another year down the line.

 

[Feedingseagulls]

Clever, I like that.

I am not denying a knee jerk reaction as a football fan. But everything I ever say regarding United is 100% genuine.

I don't believe him when he says he will play with his heart and soul. He is here because he has been told to be. He'll play for himself as always. That's fair enough, but I don't see why on earth I should be castigated for disliking him after his conduct.

Well - I don't think his conduct has been that bad tbh...



I'd like to play for Madrid sometime.

Actually, why not now?

It would rely on Utd agreeing of course - but Utd are supposed to be getting paid enough to be happy.

It's up to the clubs - I'll be happy playing for either.

(Oh b*gger - RM aren't bidding enough to interest a Utd unwilling to sell.)

I'm playing for Utd - I'd wanted to play for RM for a time if Utd agreed - I'm still a pro and will do my utmost for Utd who are a club I respect.

(All honest - and not disrespectful unless you think NO-ONE should EVER want to leave Utd for ANY reason.)

You might also add in what I think is an unrecorded prelude of 'hey look what I did - even better! - more money please. - NO!'.



Let's add - no transfer request - no 'I hate it' - no 'I'll go on strike' etc. etc.


So I don't see any reason for his conduct generating a strong dislike for him (as opposed to some measured criticism).

 

[noodlehair]

Okay, some posters have a huge dislike for him... fair enough. I think it's more different people than different opinions, you seem to take it very personally that he wishes to play for another team. Like Hargreaves and others before him. You seem to feel slighted by the fact that he didn't conduct his business in a fashion you find 'classy'. Big deal, when all is said and done don't you have bigger things to worry about in your lives.

Looking at the press coverage it would seem that its a manc meltdown when in all honesty it might be a conversation subject for most when bored but not much more. Those that are shouting the loudest (the cnut brigade) are drowning out the sensible posters who realise that while Ronaldo may have made mistakes and misled people etc, he is still like the rest of... a human being. If any of you were 'whiter than white' as you portray yourselves and want Ronaldo to be the world would be a better place and you would probably be out there right now righting the wrongs of the world, truth is, you aren't.

Get off your high horses.

This is over now so we should be looking forward, not going over what's been done to death because Custis 'of all people' has stoked it up again...

Of course you'll carry on...

None of that really makes much sense.

Fact is that if he comes back from injury, and continues being the best player in the world, or even just puts the effort in, all will soon be forgiven (if not forgotten) for so long as he's wearing a United shirt. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

but why try and pretend he hasn't acted disrespectfully, and like a half brained, spoilt idiot, when he quite clearly has? That's just as stupid.

Custis is right on that one point. Fans adore and remember most those who are commited to the club, and who give everything for the cause. Ronaldo only plays for himself. Anyone in any doubt about that will surely have been awoken to the fact over the course of the summer.

That's fine, so long as he's playing for himself in a United shirt. The second he isn't though, what reason is there left to like him? If he doesn't care about the club, the fans wont care about him.

 

[RedPhil1957]

You are buying into the SAF-hairdryer myth too much mate.

Take Ronaldo out of our team and we would have been potless last season. SAF knows that. Ronaldo knows that. We all pretty much know that. It would just be nice if Ronaldo received that praise with some humility.

It think you are completely wrong, SAF is very committed to the status of United as a club and letting a player take the piss would be high on his list of sins.......... there is no hint of anger when he talks about Ronaldo just satisfaction that he is staying.

 

[Feed Me]

Well - I don't think his conduct has been that bad tbh...



I'd like to play for Madrid sometime.

Actually, why not now?

It would rely on Utd agreeing of course - but Utd are supposed to be getting paid enough to be happy.

It's up to the clubs - I'll be happy playing for either.

(Oh b*gger - RM aren't bidding enough to interest a Utd unwilling to sell.)

I'm playing for Utd - I'd wanted to play for RM for a time if Utd agreed - I'm still a pro and will do my utmost for Utd who are a club I respect.

(All honest - and not disrespectful unless you think NO-ONE should EVER want to leave Utd for ANY reason.)

You might also add in what I think is an unrecorded prelude of 'hey look what I did - even better! - more money please. - NO!'.




So I don't see any reason for his conduct generating a strong dislike for him (as opposed to some measured criticism).

I'm not getting into a debate about the rights and wrongs of disliking him. That is a personal opinion, that in my case, has been steadfast and unchanging over the summer. From start to end, I have advocated selling him, so there is no fairweather element there.

His posturing and flirtation with the media has been an embarrasment. He agreed with Blatter, and since both have tried to backtrack - that was the most disgraceful part of the whole saga.

At the start of the summer he said, "I stay", yet he let the whole saga stretch out.

If he had for one minute used his brain and come out (minus all the media BS) and just said, "Listen, I have had 5 great years here but now I want to go elsewhere," the backlash would have been way less. What could we have said? We'd have been gutted, but we would have really had no ammunition to gun him down as we now do.

 

[afrocentricity]

Its not pretending Noodle, it's just not caring that much about it... it's over. I speak for myself when I say I have bigger things to worry about....

And also, in your post you say all will be forgiven soon... thats not what I've been reading on here the past month. If that's what you think then my post isn't aimed at you is it?

 

[nickm]

Well, what a cnut he is then!
Lets forget what he's achieved for the team and for himself the last 2 years.

BUT letting the transfer saga 'rumble on for two months' OH DEAR GOD, Thats just unheard of, blasphemous, He should be speared to death, gutted, then fed to the dogs.

No, he should just be labeled a cnut.

He pissed all over my summer. He's lost my respect. He needs to earn it back. Until he does, he's a cnut in my eyes.

 

[RedPhil1957]

None of that really makes much sense.

Fact is that if he comes back from injury, and continues being the best player in the world, or even just puts the effort in, all will soon be forgiven (if not forgotten) for so long as he's wearing a United shirt. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

but why try and pretend he hasn't acted disrespectfully, and like a half brained, spoilt idiot, when he quite clearly has? That's just as stupid.

Custis is right on that one point. Fans adore and remember most those who are commited to the club, and who give everything for the cause. Ronaldo only plays for himself. Anyone in any doubt about that will surely have been awoken to the fact over the course of the summer.

That's fine, so long as he's playing for himself in a United shirt. The second he isn't though, what reason is there left to like him? If he doesn't care about the club, the fans wont care about him.

I love the way you have all become experts on what drives Ronaldo.

 

[Feed Me]

It think you are completely wrong, SAF is very committed to the status of United as a club and letting a player take the piss would be high on his list of sins.......... there is no hint of anger when he talks about Ronaldo just satisfaction that he is staying.

Maybe so, but maybe you relax your code of conduct when you are dealing with a 42 goal player.

Plus, why should he be angry? He has achieved his objective of keeping the lad here. Now he is in a position where he has to be a bit of a diplomat and so he has to put up this positive front to bring Ronaldo back in - good management.

But, if I had to wager any money, I'd say that SAF was pretty damn narked at "our Ronnie".

 

[RedPhil1957]

I'm not getting into a debate about the rights and wrongs of disliking him. That is a personal opinion, that in my case, has been steadfast and unchanging over the summer. From start to end, I have advocated selling him, so there is no fairweather element there.

His posturing and flirtation with the media has been an embarrasment. He agreed with Blatter, and since both have tried to backtrack - that was the most disgraceful part of the whole saga.

At the start of the summer he said, "I stay", yet he let the whole saga stretch out.

If he had for one minute used his brain and come out (minus all the media BS) and just said, "Listen, I have had 5 great years here but now I want to go elsewhere," the backlash would have been way less. What could we have said? We'd have been gutted, but we would have really had no ammunition to gun him down as we now do.

I bet you do not even know exactly what Blatter said!