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Reason why Ronaldo is still at United has nothing to do with anything other than the fact Fergie wanted to keep his best player. I have no doubt the Glazers would've cashed in - marketability, brand and merchandising are all nonsense. No player is worth that much off field, no matter what Real and their spin doctors say. So, a huge transfer fee most likely would've swayed them. However, Fergie has enough clout to get what he wants at Old Trafford. There's not a chance he would've have liked or wanted to break up a European Cup winning team, let alone lose it's best player. Fergie wins againm but we'll just see how long he can hold on to Ronaldo, though.

In the meantime, it's operation 'win back the hearts and minds' by Ronaldo and his team.
 
Spoonov said:
Reason why Ronaldo is still at United has nothing to do with anything other than the fact Fergie wanted to keep his best player. I have no doubt the Glazers would've cashed in - marketability, brand and merchandising are all nonsense. No player is worth that much off field, no matter what Real and their spin doctors say. So, a huge transfer fee most likely would've swayed them. However, Fergie has enough clout to get what he wants at Old Trafford. There's not a chance he would've have liked or wanted to break up a European Cup winning team, let alone lose it's best player. Fergie wins againm but we'll just see how long he can hold on to Ronaldo, though.

In the meantime, it's operation 'win back the hearts and minds' by Ronaldo and his team.
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dunno about that, Spoons. Like I said earlier, he has always maintained that his OT stay is temporary at best and he will be open to a move every fecking summer. Given that, I for one, can't think of him any differently. A top player, who gave us great moments on the pitch, which I will always appreciate, but never someone as special to fans as a Giggsy or Scholes or Ole.

I repeat, this saga will be played out every summer until we decide that the time is right to cash in.
 
It's just occured to me - Wouldn't it be funny if Tabasco Sauce logged on and decided to delete this thread just before it hits 20,000 posts?

:lol: BahamaRed's post count would drop down to the 7000s.
 
rednev said:
It's just occured to me - Wouldn't it be funny if Tabasco Sauce logged on and decided to delete this thread just before it hits 20,000 posts?

:lol: BahamaRed's post count would drop down to the 7000s.
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:lol:
 
Pathetic ramblings from 'journalists' such as Custis and ill informed prejudiced comments from the likes of Alan Green will always leave me leaning towards defending the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo (whatever mistakes the individual in question has made). Players who have few friends in the English media are easy targets for articles such as the one from Custis today.

An article that blatantly appeals to the lowest common denominator containing tired and dated lexis such as 'winker' as well as phrases like 'one trick pony' simply cannot be taken seriously. What kind of professional journalist would use the phrase 'one trick pony' in describing an 18 year old who is quick, has two good feet and can head but lacks consistency?! I despair at times I really do.:rolleyes:

Custis makes some points which could be deemed valid yet he ruins it by going completely over the top in a biased one sided article which i'm sure will no doubt influence some of the more gullible and easily led readers of his newspaper.

It seems that to be considered a legend at Manchester United football club longevity is a major factor which is totally fair and understandable. However, it is unfair to dismiss the contribution of someone who doesn't stay for ten years or more and yet has made a significant impact during his time at the club.

For example, players such as Romario, Ronaldo, Rivaldo and Ronaldinho didn't stay at Barcelona for the duration of their career yet they left an indelible mark on the club contributing enormously to its rich history. They came, they went, they were appreciated for what they did. We're going to see a lot more of this type of thing at Manchester United concerning European and South American players. It's not right, it's not wrong, it's just a different way of interpreting how you want your career to plan out.
 
mehro said:
If I had noticed the Custis thread earlier I would have merged it with this one. Now that thread has too many posts and merging it with this one would result in discussions being broken up. Bahama, please stop acting like a child. Stop creating unnecessary threads. We are not here to baby sit any of you.
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Please accept my sincerest apologies mehro. I just thought it was open day. Y'all do a good job as mods (most of the time)
 
ch7 said:
Pathetic ramblings from 'journalists' such as Custis and ill informed prejudiced comments from the likes of Alan Green will always leave me leaning towards defending the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo (whatever mistakes the individual in question has made). Players who have few friends in the English media are easy targets for articles such as the one from Custis today.



An article that blatantly appeals to the lowest common denominator containing tired and dated lexis such as 'winker' as well as phrases like 'one trick pony' simply cannot be taken seriously. What kind of professional journalist would use the phrase 'one trick pony' in describing an 18 year old who is quick, has two good feet and can head but lacks consistency?! I despair at times I really do.:rolleyes:

Custis makes some points which could be deemed valid yet he ruins it by going completely over the top in a biased one sided article which i'm sure will no doubt influence some of the more gullible and easily led readers of his newspaper.

It seems that to be considered a legend at Manchester United football club longevity is a major factor which is totally fair and understandable. However, it is unfair to dismiss the contribution of someone who doesn't stay for ten years or more and yet has made a significant impact during his time at the club.

For example, players such as Romario, Ronaldo, Rivaldo and Ronaldinho didn't stay at Barcelona for the duration of their career yet they left an indelible mark on the club contributing enormously to its rich history. They came, they went, they were appreciated for what they did. We're going to see a lot more of this type of thing at Manchester United concerning European and South American players. It's not right, it's not wrong, it's just a different way of interpreting how you want your career to plan out.
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excellent post
 
rednev said:
It's just occured to me - Wouldn't it be funny if Tabasco Sauce logged on and decided to delete this thread just before it hits 20,000 posts?

:lol: BahamaRed's post count would drop down to the 7000s.
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I'm not interested in post counts but to lose this legendary thread would be a shame.
Which reminds me.....is there any way to save a thread with all its posts?
 
mehro said:
If I had noticed the Custis thread earlier I would have merged it with this one. Now that thread has too many posts and merging it with this one would result in discussions being broken up. Bahama, please stop acting like a child. Stop creating unnecessary threads. We are not here to baby sit any of you.
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Nothing going on in that thread any more mehro....merging it into this one would be seamless and not a caftard would notice.....and of course it would edge this one nearer to nirvana
 
Simon Adebesi said:
Spot on Marcus. Any and all Sun journalists can take their clever "Portuguese Winker" headlines and feck right off.
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my attitude is this: this is rather like a family squabble, between us United fans and Ronaldo. are we upset at his antics over the summer? - of course! are we prepared to forgive him? - maybe, maybe not. but we'll support him as long as he wears the shirt.

this 'journalists' are just trying to insinuate themselves in something that doesn't concern them and pretend like they're on our side. i'd hope United fans all over realise this.
 
ch7 said:
Pathetic ramblings from 'journalists' such as Custis and ill informed prejudiced comments from the likes of Alan Green will always leave me leaning towards defending the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo (whatever mistakes the individual in question has made). Players who have few friends in the English media are easy targets for articles such as the one from Custis today.

An article that blatantly appeals to the lowest common denominator containing tired and dated lexis such as 'winker' as well as phrases like 'one trick pony' simply cannot be taken seriously. What kind of professional journalist would use the phrase 'one trick pony' in describing an 18 year old who is quick, has two good feet and can head but lacks consistency?! I despair at times I really do.:rolleyes:

Custis makes some points which could be deemed valid yet he ruins it by going completely over the top in a biased one sided article which i'm sure will no doubt influence some of the more gullible and easily led readers of his newspaper.

It seems that to be considered a legend at Manchester United football club longevity is a major factor which is totally fair and understandable. However, it is unfair to dismiss the contribution of someone who doesn't stay for ten years or more and yet has made a significant impact during his time at the club.

For example, players such as Romario, Ronaldo, Rivaldo and Ronaldinho didn't stay at Barcelona for the duration of their career yet they left an indelible mark on the club contributing enormously to its rich history. They came, they went, they were appreciated for what they did. We're going to see a lot more of this type of thing at Manchester United concerning European and South American players. It's not right, it's not wrong, it's just a different way of interpreting how you want your career to plan out.
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Fantastic post. Couldn't have put it better. Best post of this thread comfortably.
 
When youre in the middle of a family squabble the last thing you want is the nosey twat who lives next door leaning through the window and giving his tuppence worth. Nothing is more likely to reunite the family than an outsider getting involved where he isnt wanted.
 
BahamaRed said:
Nothing going on in that thread any more mehro....merging it into this one would be seamless and not a caftard would notice.....and of course it would edge this one nearer to nirvana
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Apart from this excellent post from CH7.

Pathetic ramblings from 'journalists' such as Custis and ill informed prejudiced comments from the likes of Alan Green will always leave me leaning towards defending the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo (whatever mistakes the individual in question has made). Players who have few friends in the English media are easy targets for articles such as the one from Custis today.

An article that blatantly appeals to the lowest common denominator containing tired and dated lexis such as 'winker' as well as phrases like 'one trick pony' simply cannot be taken seriously. What kind of professional journalist would use the phrase 'one trick pony' in describing an 18 year old who is quick, has two good feet and can head but lacks consistency?! I despair at times I really do.

Custis makes some points which could be deemed valid yet he ruins it by going completely over the top in a biased one sided article which i'm sure will no doubt influence some of the more gullible and easily led readers of his newspaper.

It seems that to be considered a legend at Manchester United football club longevity is a major factor which is totally fair and understandable. However, it is unfair to dismiss the contribution of someone who doesn't stay for ten years or more and yet has made a significant impact during his time at the club.

For example, players such as Romario, Ronaldo, Rivaldo and Ronaldinho didn't stay at Barcelona for the duration of their career yet they left an indelible mark on the club contributing enormously to its rich history. They came, they went, they were appreciated for what they did. We're going to see a lot more of this type of thing at Manchester United concerning European and South American players. It's not right, it's not wrong, it's just a different way of interpreting how you want your career to plan out.
 
Spoonov said:
Reason why Ronaldo is still at United has nothing to do with anything other than the fact Fergie wanted to keep his best player. I have no doubt the Glazers would've cashed in - marketability, brand and merchandising are all nonsense. No player is worth that much off field, no matter what Real and their spin doctors say. So, a huge transfer fee most likely would've swayed them. However, Fergie has enough clout to get what he wants at Old Trafford. There's not a chance he would've have liked or wanted to break up a European Cup winning team, let alone lose it's best player. Fergie wins againm but we'll just see how long he can hold on to Ronaldo, though.

In the meantime, it's operation 'win back the hearts and minds' by Ronaldo and his team.
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Unless he commits himself further than one year his marketability will take a big knock at United. Nike will be mightily pissed off with his antics. I can't see number seven being the best seller this year.

Did you notice in his hearts and minds game how he has blamed himself. He had absolutely no choice seeing he had to keep both Real and United sweet.

Fergie is trying to resolve the issue with statements saying he will stay beyond this season. Unless he signs a new shiny contract I can't see him winning back any fans - words are not enough.
 
Sultan said:
Unless he commits himself further than one year his marketability will take a big knock at United. Nike will be mightily pissed off with his antics. I can't see number seven being the best seller this year.

Did you notice in his hearts and minds game how he has blamed himself. He had absolutely no choice seeing he had to keep bot Real and United sweet.

Fergie is trying to resolve the issue with statements saying he will stay beyond this season. Unless he signs a new shiny contract I can't see him winning back any fans - words are not enough.
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I think you're under-estimating the incredibly fickle nature of the average football fan.

Took "Greedabayor" just over 180 minutes to move the gooners from booing to a standing ovation. 180 minutes of a pre-season friendly.

As for the number 7 shirt. The CR7 fan-boys, all round the world, will keep that shirt top of the charts, right up until the moment he drops his shorts and takes a steaming dump in the centre-circle at Old Trafford. And probably a couple of weeks after that.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I think you're under-estimating the incredibly fickle nature of the average football fan.

Took "Greedabayor" just over 180 minutes to move the gooners from booing to a standing ovation. 180 minutes of a pre-season friendly.

As for the number 7 shirt. The CR7 fan-boys, all round the world, will keep that shirt top of the charts, right up until the moment he drops his shorts and takes a steaming dump in the centre-circle at Old Trafford. And probably a couple of weeks after that.
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That's Arsenal fans your on about though. Look how long it took Rio Ferdinand to earn back the respect of many United fans. I agree with Sultan the only way I will cheer on Ronaldo solely as a player would be when he's signed a new contract, till then I can't but help but see him as someone who is merely on loan.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I think you're under-estimating the incredibly fickle nature of the average football fan.

Took "Greedabayor" just over 180 minutes to move the gooners from booing to a standing ovation. 180 minutes of a pre-season friendly.

As for the number 7 shirt. The CR7 fan-boys, all round the world, will keep that shirt top of the charts, right up until the moment he drops his shorts and takes a steaming dump in the centre-circle at Old Trafford. And probably a couple of weeks after that.
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It becomes silly to get his name now even if you love him for most people now that he is a bad bet to be here for more than another year.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I think you're under-estimating the incredibly fickle nature of the average football fan.

Took "Greedabayor" just over 180 minutes to move the gooners from booing to a standing ovation. 180 minutes of a pre-season friendly.

As for the number 7 shirt. The CR7 fan-boys, all round the world, will keep that shirt top of the charts, right up until the moment he drops his shorts and takes a steaming dump in the centre-circle at Old Trafford. And probably a couple of weeks after that.
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Yep, I think as soon as Ronaldo does something memorable on the pitch, people will forget and then eventually forgive. Don't see much wrong with that either, because at the end of the day football's played on the pitch. And as football fans we're pretty irrational anyway.
 
Spoonov said:
Reason why Ronaldo is still at United has nothing to do with anything other than the fact Fergie wanted to keep his best player. I have no doubt the Glazers would've cashed in - marketability, brand and merchandising are all nonsense. No player is worth that much off field, no matter what Real and their spin doctors say. So, a huge transfer fee most likely would've swayed them. However, Fergie has enough clout to get what he wants at Old Trafford. There's not a chance he would've have liked or wanted to break up a European Cup winning team, let alone lose it's best player. Fergie wins againm but we'll just see how long he can hold on to Ronaldo, though.

In the meantime, it's operation 'win back the hearts and minds' by Ronaldo and his team.
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Did a google search for ronometer photo and all I got was spoonov's avatar!
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I think you're under-estimating the incredibly fickle nature of the average football fan.

Took "Greedabayor" just over 180 minutes to move the gooners from booing to a standing ovation. 180 minutes of a pre-season friendly.

As for the number 7 shirt. The CR7 fan-boys, all round the world, will keep that shirt top of the charts, right up until the moment he drops his shorts and takes a steaming dump in the centre-circle at Old Trafford. And probably a couple of weeks after that.
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The big difference Pogue is that Adebayor has not hinted he's here only for the season. It shows SAF was concerned with that part of his statement by hinting he could be offered a new contract, and how players who stay long enough become part of United and never want to leave - using Rio as an example.
 
Rednails said:
Apart from this excellent post from CH7.

Pathetic ramblings from 'journalists' such as Custis and ill informed prejudiced comments from the likes of Alan Green will always leave me leaning towards defending the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo (whatever mistakes the individual in question has made). Players who have few friends in the English media are easy targets for articles such as the one from Custis today.

An article that blatantly appeals to the lowest common denominator containing tired and dated lexis such as 'winker' as well as phrases like 'one trick pony' simply cannot be taken seriously. What kind of professional journalist would use the phrase 'one trick pony' in describing an 18 year old who is quick, has two good feet and can head but lacks consistency?! I despair at times I really do.

Custis makes some points which could be deemed valid yet he ruins it by going completely over the top in a biased one sided article which i'm sure will no doubt influence some of the more gullible and easily led readers of his newspaper.

It seems that to be considered a legend at Manchester United football club longevity is a major factor which is totally fair and understandable. However, it is unfair to dismiss the contribution of someone who doesn't stay for ten years or more and yet has made a significant impact during his time at the club.

For example, players such as Romario, Ronaldo, Rivaldo and Ronaldinho didn't stay at Barcelona for the duration of their career yet they left an indelible mark on the club contributing enormously to its rich history. They came, they went, they were appreciated for what they did. We're going to see a lot more of this type of thing at Manchester United concerning European and South American players. It's not right, it's not wrong, it's just a different way of interpreting how you want your career to plan out.
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Well, as that's in here now, might as well merge
 
buncha hypocrite in here.

You're talking about love your club and shits, where were some of you during his winking saga? before this whole Madrid stuff stired up, how many of you wanting him to be sold?

Did you, also, stand by your player? The same player that scored the 42 goals, the same player that didn't stir up anything when he's still maturing doing one trick pony? Heck some even come up previously with (ehm) the sack fergie sell giggs. Loyalty?

How easy people tend to forget that "fans" also have no loyalty to the player.

If you're saying your loyalty is to the club, than it is only right for Ronaldo to say that his loyalty lies with his dream and ambition.

Try to look at it from different perspective for once.
 
Psmith said:
Yep, I think as soon as Ronaldo does something memorable on the pitch, people will forget and then eventually forgive. Don't see much wrong with that either, because at the end of the day football's played on the pitch. And as football fans we're pretty irrational anyway.
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I understand that buddy..

I'm talking about his off pitch value which United's money men and their backers will be concerned about, with particular part of the statement.
 
Sky1981 said:
buncha hypocrite in here.

You're talking about love your club and shits, where were some of you during his winking saga? before this whole Madrid stuff stired up, how many of you wanting him to be sold?

Did you, also, stand by your player? The same player that scored the 42 goals, the same player that didn't stir up anything when he's still maturing doing one trick pony? Heck some even come up previously with (ehm) the sack fergie sell giggs. Loyalty?

How easy people tend to forget that "fans" also have no loyalty to the player.

If you're saying your loyalty is to the club, than it is only right for Ronaldo to say that his loyalty lies with his dream and ambition.

Try to look at it from different perspective for once.
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Interesting. Fans have no loyalty to the player, yet they expect the player to have loyalty to the fans. Mmmm....

Contracts - a two-way process.

Veeeerry interesting.....
 
I've now read all this thread and amongst the dross there's some good stuff - those who know me will know those posts I rate.

One strand of this thread deserves further emphasis though.




I'm deeply concerned at the reasonably common idea that Custis has 'written what most United supporters think'.

Just think a bit about the implications of this for a moment. It suggests that MOST Utd supporters think in a similar way to an ABU Sun journalist - shouldn't that give you a clue you might be being hoodwinked?




As Pogue's possibly optimistic view suggested - he doesn't think most ARE like that - I (like he) think most lie somewhere between CR7-fanboy and 'Only True Believers Should Play For Us'.

Custis' article was a horrible, calculating combination of self-righteous prudery and the whines of a rejected lover - custom-styled to appeal to certain fans. Ronaldo fails the ideal - he doesn't worship the club (as much as I do?) - he betrays the club and the club's (and my) possible affection. HOW DARE HE?

Simplistic knee-jerk appeals - a tabloid's stock-in-trade - the only reasons some are falling for it is that those emotions are raw and need both soothing and feeding within them.
 
The ronometer truly is going to go down in history, synonymous with the biggest transfer saga of the decade...
 
Sultan said:
Unless he commits himself further than one year his marketability will take a big knock at United. Nike will be mightily pissed off with his antics. I can't see number seven being the best seller this year.

Did you notice in his hearts and minds game how he has blamed himself. He had absolutely no choice seeing he had to keep both Real and United sweet.

Fergie is trying to resolve the issue with statements saying he will stay beyond this season. Unless he signs a new shiny contract I can't see him winning back any fans - words are not enough.
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Perhaps. I just think it sounds more humble, blaming yourself. Of course, I think a large portion of it, was his fault. But he's making the right noises by saying it was mainly down to him. As for marketability, yeah, it could cause problems with Nike. I wonder what their take has been on the saga? I bet they're not best pleased with the idea of him wearing an Adidas top, for starters. As for Fergie, he's trying his best to get the fans back on his side, he knows how important Ronaldo is to the team. He set his stall out, and we all know how stubborn he is. There was no way he was going to let Ronaldo go. But I think it's clear that Ronaldo would rather be in Real, I'm not sure how long you can keep a player who's got dreams of playing elsewhere. At best he's ambivalent. Is that enough, though? I guess, we'll just have to wait and see.
 
RapidRed said:
dunno about that, Spoons. Like I said earlier, he has always maintained that his OT stay is temporary at best and he will be open to a move every fecking summer. Given that, I for one, can't think of him any differently. A top player, who gave us great moments on the pitch, which I will always appreciate, but never someone as special to fans as a Giggsy or Scholes or Ole.

I repeat, this saga will be played out every summer until we decide that the time is right to cash in.
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I'm not sure about that, Raps. It'd be unfair for us to expect Ronaldo to stay at United his whole career. He's a brilliant player, and if we're honest the difference between us winning the double and coming out empty handed, last season. Had the Ronaldo to Real saga not occurred this summer. . .we could've well be looking at a United legend, in a season or two. I'm not sure how he'll be viewed now, though. But Rio's pulled things around, so there's no reason why Ronaldo can't, providing, he doesn't bugger off next season, that is.
 
Sultan said:
I understand that buddy..

I'm talking about his off pitch value which United's money men and their backers will be concerned about, with particular part of the statement.
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that's true.
Spoonov said:
Perhaps. I just think it sounds more humble, blaming yourself. Of course, I think a large portion of it, was his fault. But he's making the right noises by saying it was mainly down to him. As for marketability, yeah, it could cause problems with Nike. I wonder what their take has been on the saga? I bet they're not best pleased with the idea of him wearing an Adidas top, for starters. As for Fergie, he's trying his best to get the fans back on his side, he knows how important Ronaldo is to the team. He set his stall out, and we all know how stubborn he is. There was no way he was going to let Ronaldo go. But I think it's clear that Ronaldo would rather be in Real, I'm not sure how long you can keep a player who's got dreams of playing elsewhere. At best he's ambivalent. Is that enough, though? I guess, we'll just have to wait and see.
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With Ronaldo it should be fine, he's a cnut that's obsessed with winning
 
Ruud_boy_10 said:
Speak for yourself. I think he's a top player and will support him all the way this season.
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I, too, think he's a top player and will support him all the way through the season.

He's still a cnut, though.
 
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