True. And to be fair to Heinrich Himmler he was most consistent in his extermination of the Jews.
ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation
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True. And to be fair to Heinrich Himmler he was most consistent in his extermination of the Jews.
Not funny
where did that come from ?
Sorry, it was meant to be ironic. As in it doesn't make something OK just because it was consistent.
NOT to be misunderstood as condoning nazism (surely you could discern that?)
oh right, fair doos then. Early morning mate, hard to catch irony, especially in this thread,
Why does it not make it OK?
Surely as a United fan he has every right to feel aggrieved with Ronaldo's behaviour over the Summer.
Footballers are idolised for their good work, and they should also take the consequence's for their retarded behaviour.
God post
Ever notice that whenever Ronaldo is away from the club ,he acts strange? Whenever he's in Manchester or with the squad, he's all happy and chummy.
Some people forget that he is still just a boy.
Some people forget that he is still just a boy.
Same age as me and I m no boy, that said though I cant play football like the man, I am miles smarter and can actually speak English(and two other languages for those who say he speaks Portuguese and spanish)
The Spanish/Portuguese press today proudly presents:
Several papers describing SAF's - don't know where players will be in two weeks, never mind two years - comment as either an indication that talks are underway or more simply as "surrender"
Marca had a couple of their reporters stood outside OT yesterday interviewing fans. Their survey says: If he wants to go - let him. It's today's front page of the print edition.
http://www.marca.com/primeras/08/08/0803.html
AS - has a whole new timeline for us to enjoy. Starting with SAF's "surrender" and his comments about only having two strikers (Roo and Tevez) it moves on through Calderon canceling his Monday meetings in Madrid and comes up with:
- Calderon and his chums will meet Mendes in London today or tomorrow
- Mendes will present Madrid's "latest" offer (75m Euros) to United, which is an interesting idea given there hasn't been a previous offer
- Mendes will tell United that Ron will not return from Lisbon
- United will negotiate and Madrid will go up to 85m and buy him
So there we are - done and dusted. Or not.
Several papers describing SAF's - don't know where players will be in two weeks, never mind two years - comment as either an indication that talks are underway or more simply as "surrender"
Marca had a couple of their reporters stood outside OT yesterday interviewing fans. Their survey says: If he wants to go - let him. It's today's front page of the print edition.
http://www.marca.com/primeras/08/08/0803.html
AS - has a whole new timeline for us to enjoy. Starting with SAF's "surrender" and his comments about only having two strikers (Roo and Tevez) it moves on through Calderon canceling his Monday meetings in Madrid and comes up with:
- Calderon and his chums will meet Mendes in London today or tomorrow
- Mendes will present Madrid's "latest" offer (75m Euros) to United, which is an interesting idea given there hasn't been a previous offer
- Mendes will tell United that Ron will not return from Lisbon
- United will negotiate and Madrid will go up to 85m and buy him
So there we are - done and dusted. Or not.
Yes, and if he was mine I'd give a few slaps.
Same as me as well
but im surprised you compare it like that since footballers are not exactly well known for their intelligence and judgment.Our boy here seems way too easily influenced. For example when he was with Portugal, all it took was a whisper in his ear and suddenly he's acting dodgy in the interviews.
many of them need it, Sultan. Ronaldo is no Ole, nor Giggsy nor Scholes, it's just pointless to compare or hope he learns from them. Hopefully he will choose to stay because he acknowledges we are the best option for him to achieve glory, but i don't think he will stay on for another 5 years due to loyalty alone.
Whilst I'd like to give Ronaldo a slap, I do wonder about the loyalty thing. Does he owe United his loyalty? OK, so we stood by him after the WC debacle, but he's surely repaid that in the past two years. If we hadn't stood by him, he'd have gone elsewhere and been just as brilliant. We didn't save his career or anything.
I think we're just mad at him because he doesn't feel as passionate about the club as we do, or as some of the other players do. But he had no connections with United and never supported them as a child, so are we being fair?
I think he'd do himself more favours though if he'd come out and say he'd see out another year or two of his contract and then would want to move on. Having four years left is a bit of a piss take, and no player should be allowed to just dismiss a contract like that - anymore than a club should.
I think we're just mad at him because he doesn't feel as passionate about the club as we do, or as some of the other players do. But he had no connections with United and never supported them as a child, so are we being fair?
I think he'd do himself more favours though if he'd come out and say he'd see out another year or two of his contract and then would want to move on. Having four years left is a bit of a piss take, and no player should be allowed to just dismiss a contract like that - anymore than a club should.
Fair shout. Forget my silly post (as Rahul said, it's Sunday morning!)
Agree.
having seem what tevez has done and said 4/5 years more, I wondered why Ronaldo didn't do something similar and I just think he isn't the sort of person to plan..
That said I don't think he's despirate to move but the option is always there if cuntos made a 100m bid and we accept.
His mother went on tv of course and said he was staying, was it her idea or ronaldos?? who really knows. It's clear he's badly advised in certain circles but
once he's back at United it will be a lot easier for the club to say feck off to madrid
Incidently talk of madrid making a bid is laughable based on the story that ronaldo would hand in a transfer request - printed in as. How sad are these people?
www.youtube.com (enjoy madrid fans)...
Of course we're not being fair - we're fans - we're not paid to be fair - in fact, we pay to be unfair.
But, you're right, if you look at it from Ron's side - how many 23 year olds are with the same employer as when they were 18? And how many people who go abroad to work in a country they don't know, whose language they don't speak, stay for more than 5 years? Compound that by saying that he's got a working life (in his chosen job) of 10 years, 15 if he's lucky, 5 if he gets hurt - and doesn't he have to do "everything" in a hurry - I think everything should/could be with United - but then I'm biassed.
As for the, why does this happen when he's away from Manchester argument. When he's playing football, he's happy with United. When he's not, he's got other things, including his family, to think about.
Personally I reckon the move would be bad for United, bad for Madrid and bad for him - but then with my bias I think United want Ron the footballer, and going to Madrid's like him running away to join the circus.
Absolutely Livvie
I reckon a majority of United fans would wish him well, and thank him for the great memories - it's just the way his gone about achieving the transfer which has peeved most fans off.
Quite debatable
Spot on. He has at least been respectful enough to keep his mouth shut whenever asked about the saga. I feel mixed about his silence, in one hand he hasn't pulled a Judas and gotten vocal about wanting out, but obviously i'm disappointed that he hasn't given any reassurance to fans, or directed any message at all. But the hatred and animosity that some people here are showing towards him is a bit much imo.
That about sums it all up.
Arsenal fans booed Adebayor yesterday
...without actually putting in a transfer request, the slimy cnut. Mmmm slimy cnut
To be fair, he deserved it. Although, I wouldn't go as far as to boo any player. At least he knows what the fans think. Up to him to get them back on his side. Same goes for that little slave of ours.
I've not changed my view on this subject one iota. As soon as the "I want to go to Madrid " quotes emerged, Fergie should have demanded a meeting with Ronaldo - even in thge middle of the Euro champs. If, at that meeting, the media quotes were confirmed then Ronnie should have been put on the transfer list immediately awaiting a satisfactory offer from RM.
The fundamental issue remains - why keep someone who wants to go or put another way - why keep someone who thinks that Real is a bigger and better club than United ? Indeed why force someone to stay at United ? Now, we have a situation where, if he is forced to stay, who knows what effect that will have on his game ? What will be the reaction of the fans when he plays again ? Are we going to through this all again come January and certainly next summer until he eventually leaves ?
The problem now is if we let him go is there sufficient time and sufficient availability to get suitable world class replacements with the money ? How much of the latter RM are prepared to come up with is another thing as well.
The fundamental issue remains - why keep someone who wants to go or put another way - why keep someone who thinks that Real is a bigger and better club than United ? Indeed why force someone to stay at United ? Now, we have a situation where, if he is forced to stay, who knows what effect that will have on his game ? What will be the reaction of the fans when he plays again ? Are we going to through this all again come January and certainly next summer until he eventually leaves ?
The problem now is if we let him go is there sufficient time and sufficient availability to get suitable world class replacements with the money ? How much of the latter RM are prepared to come up with is another thing as well.
Does anyone remember the exact words used by Wenger to justify the booing?
Dissapointed love or something to that effect. What a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
Something like that. But he couldn't have actually slagged off the fans or the player.
Ronaldo has signed a contract. Just because he's fickle enough to change his mind about that one year later doesn't mean we shouldn't hold him to it. If we actually sell him to Real after all that's being going on, then that will really set the standard for how they operate in the future.
can we just calm it down? Sir Alex met with Ronaldo and they talked and the end of it is Ronaldo's staying.
That is the end of it for us, but people can't stop the media or cuntos talking out their butt every 5 seconds.
If you cannot handle it and fall for every story you read don't read ronaldo threads because when the time comes and this storys been shown up for the bollocks it is, you'll wonder why you do it to yourself/yourselves
The most telling thing was sir Alex saying in two years time United will have to fight to keep Ronaldo. So he's not in any form of denial, he knows the score and we cannot ask for a better man to handle the situation
Did the media listen to Ronaldos mum when she said she believed he'd stay? No...Did they listen to sir Alex? No..don't fall for it. The media don't want it to die down, especially when people can be so reactionary about things that it threatens to get heated again over ever bullshit article printed
Bollocks
Why don't they print stories of other stars around the premiership? Did you hear Fabregas come out and deny the very next day he was not interested in any moves.
Don't you not think Ronaldo or his agents might be not pushing these stories to the media in collaboration with Real? if not they could easily shut them up.
Blind loyalty!
I'm completely calm ! Of course there's a lot of nonsense in the media but there's been too much of it on this one for it all to be rubbish. Further, Ronaldo could have killed it all stone dead by saying he's staying or he'll see his contract out or something else. He hasn't and I think there's little doubt he wants to go - and he wants to go now. Whether or not he'll be allowed to is another matter. Fergie still appears adamant but is that the best thing - in United's interests? I don't think so. Why keep a disgruntled player at OT and one who's very likely to have lost the respect and support of the fans and maybe his team mates as well. We could do (or could have done) a lot with 68m.
lol Ronaldo is the best player in the world and said he'd like to play in spain oneday. Adebayor did a simular thing to Ronaldo, was linked to milan and barca and boom..until he signed a new contract.
The reason it doesn't happen is because of profile and the fact that 99% of the league talk but no one gives a shit and in fact most players have more respect for the club/fans etc
Fabregas get's quoted ALOT. You read one thing, you read another and it's all a contradiction. Loyalty to arsenal. Maybe in the future. Blah....
Do you not think your paranoid? The job of the media is to print storys, true OR FAKE. er hello? How many stories has Sir Alex denied are true this summer alone? lol
But the point is Fabregas is a more straight forward talker where as Ronaldo will say only God knows which leaves open room to debate....
It's called being rational. You dicks think you know something the rest of the world don't but you also assume your opinion is fact.
What your saying may very well be true but to dismiss other possibilities shows how thick you are
Oh and just imagine if it was people like you that forced him out of the club over what you read/heard/saw? Isn't that undermining the club/manager and giving the people we fecking hate what they want??>..
The first thing Fergie will have thought of when deciding whether or not to keep Ronaldo is what is best in United's interests and if he thinks keeping Ronaldo is that, then thats fine by me. He is not stupid, he knows what he is doing. On top of all of that, why give Madrid what they want? Unless you want to send out a message to them that they can keep on tapping up players and clubs will always give in, that is.
and 68 million isn't enough for Ronaldo
Julian I disagree.
Let me point something out to you. If I killed someone and said to the media I might have.....do you really think they'd stop until they got a result one way or the other?....
Let's be honest after the champions league when he said he was staying. I reckon that was real but like adebayor he seems to be badly advised and so changed his tune
I wouldn't be that suprised if his agent told him to do this and reasoned that he'd probably get a new contract +money from the club. Now that's just a guess but clearly there are other factors.
One being, he might not have a set date when he wants to leave. The fact he's kept the door open to every possibility isn't the worst thing for United because he might stay for longer then people think?
I don't think that but the possibility is there - there's no question he's in his agents pocket though
correct
That would mean you clearly are a moron.
Why would you say you 'might have' when clearly you 'have not'?
He's making mugs of you kids.
dude you keep calling me names. Sadly It's the only thing worth reading in your replies
Why'd Ronaldo say only god knows when he could say I want to leave or I want to stay......THAT IS THE BLOODY POINT
You do what you need to, to make you feel better but the fact remains you know nothing more then anyone else does and to say blind loyalty ...bollocks.
I see the positives for selling Ronaldo but the fact is we're not. It's not being nieve or gullible to look at different angles because no sod knows what's 100% correct and what's 100% lies
Sure we can all call him a cnut and whatever but there are things we clearly don't know, influences you and I..nobody knows about
IF and he will but for you, IF he stays I think it's best people learn to get their head around supporting him and the team and the future will take care of itself. We can all jump on the bandwagon but the only one I listen to is Sir Alex
If down the line he's sold fine, but as it stands it's quite clear our position and so you'd better just accept it.
Finally we're not stupid the people supporting Ronaldo because the fact is it's beneficial for our club that he stays. Now you might think he's taking us for a mug, but clearly your wrong.
We're not knuckle draggers, we can quite easily support him, help him play his best and when he wants to go goodbye.
You get nothing from booing or giving off bad vibes to people. No one knows how long Ronaldo will stay but clearly if we play him we might get more out of him and when we want to sell fine! we sell cause we want too....
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