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Sound points - good summary - saves me having to type something similar.
The decision he had made re next season prior to the final would appear to be, in his own words, 'I stay'.
However, as we all knew, he'd like to play in Spain one day - this summer the question was asked (by Madrid I'd suggest) 'why not now?'
Ronnie's responses have been typical of someone who would be happy to play in either club next year but would like to play in Spain during his career. Ronnie has (to date) never reliably stated he wants to move this summer, nor has he said he is unhappy here - however, if the clubs agree a transfer (something which is at least to some extent out of his hands) that is their affair and if the Madrid package was acceptable he'd move.
In terms of what Ronaldo has said, only the remark in Terra mentioning a timescale would go against this portrayal. On the other hand it is vastly different to the editorial slant used in headlines and creative reporting - too much of what has been happening in this thread stems from saturation propaganda and its effects. It seems to be affecting people's judgement. Ronaldo has often made remarks that indicate he expects to be here next year, after Euro 2008 started.
Whether further Ronaldo remarks will clarify the situation one way or another I don't know - but I hope they will - and I sincerely hope (and believe) he will stay - as I have said many times.
Let us just wait until next week when this bullshit as article has been shown to be crap.......can we do that?
Anyone seen what Marca wrote about Manchester the city today. Worth it for a laugh,
LOL look what AS wrote about Kaka last summer:
http://footyblog.net/2007/07/01/kaka-wants-to-move-to-real-madrid/
even quotes which were obviously false.
They realise after Tevez, that they can't make up the fact Ronaldo spoke to them so are relying on the old 'text message' rubbish they sometimes use
that's true but some people seem to believe everything they read and when you have so many contradictions, it is best to not form such a solid opinion; rather leave it the people in the know
They'd better. Because his silence is fecking deafening. As it has been all summer.
When AS/Marca published made-up quotes from Fabregas, he set them straight within 24 hours. If Ronaldo doesn't do the same, it would be reasonable to assume he is actively agitating for a move and doesn't mind having those quotes attributed to him.
he's not actively placating the fans that chanted his name week after week last season ... that makes him a cnut in my book.
Exactly, spot on.
Reading Gazzetta dello Sport comments on this AS "story" and someone had pointed out the same friggin thing.
Tevez had quotes by them and he didn't deny them but fergie did....
(1) I doubt Ronaldo on his sunbed in LA even realises AS has been a bit dodgy (again). AS do not seem to have made a big deal of their own story. It's only sites like this and football365 that have gone to town on it.
(2) Even if Ronaldo is not planning to put in a transfer request to leave this season, then I am sure he does not mind the speculation continuing. I'm sure he's looking for as much as leverage as possible so he can get United to agree to sell him next year.
It's pretty obvious he does want to leave, but I think it's fair enough if he goes next season. Then United have a season to adjust to their Ronaldo-less future and plan what to do with the money. Leaving this summer would be too much of a shock to the system.
so what? we move on
(1) Ronaldo might be aware of them directly but the United press office will and he will be made aware of them soon enough, just like Fabregas was probably informed about the stuff about him and Tevez the stuff about him (although his English probably wasn't good enough to give a direct response himself)
(2) I agree.
I just don't find this next year talk helpful. We don't know that. Rather it's safe to say this year he's staying put. Let's take it year by year but not put a date on his head when he's going to leave because that's not based on anything factual. We don't need to be giving the media ideas or helping them create stories based on what we think
Manchester United are preparing to welcome Cristiano Ronaldo back to the club's Carrington training ground next Tuesday, despite renewed speculation in Spain that the Portuguese forward remains determined to force through a transfer to Real Madrid.
By Mark Ogden
Last Updated: 4:36PM BST 31 Jul 2008
Having undergone ankle surgery in Amsterdam on July 7, Ronaldo is due back in the Netherlands on Monday in order to have his recovery assessed by the surgeon, Niek van Dijk. From the Dutch capital, it is anticipated that Ronaldo will then fly into Manchester ahead of his return to United for the first time since helping the club lift the European Cup on May 21.
Reports in Spain, however, suggest that Ronaldo has informed Madrid, via his agent Jorge Mendes, that he will confront Sir Alex Ferguson, who he met for face-to-face talks in Lisbon earlier in July, with his intention to leave United for the Bernabeu.
In an unattributed passage in the Spanish newspaper AS, it was reported that, 'The exact phrase that Cristiano wants to convey to (Real president Ramon) Calderon and (sporting director Predrag) Mijatovic, so that they don't need to worry is: "It's OK. Next week, I'll fix everything. I'll go to Manchester and tell them (United) my only desire is to play for Real Madrid and that the decision is non-negotiable."
Although United declined to comment on the latest apparent movement in the Ronaldo saga, club officials have developed an air of indifference to the 'mischief-making' emanating from the Spanish capital and view the daily bulletins as little more than desperation on the part of Real to chip away at United's determination not to sell.
Comments attributed to Carlos Tevez by AS last week, in which he called for United to honour Ronaldo's wishes, were dismissed as a fabrication by Ferguson and the latest reports relating to Ronaldo have been treated with similar contempt at Old Trafford.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-Man-Utd-dismiss-latest-Real-Madrid-talk.html
By Mark Ogden
Last Updated: 4:36PM BST 31 Jul 2008
Having undergone ankle surgery in Amsterdam on July 7, Ronaldo is due back in the Netherlands on Monday in order to have his recovery assessed by the surgeon, Niek van Dijk. From the Dutch capital, it is anticipated that Ronaldo will then fly into Manchester ahead of his return to United for the first time since helping the club lift the European Cup on May 21.
Reports in Spain, however, suggest that Ronaldo has informed Madrid, via his agent Jorge Mendes, that he will confront Sir Alex Ferguson, who he met for face-to-face talks in Lisbon earlier in July, with his intention to leave United for the Bernabeu.
In an unattributed passage in the Spanish newspaper AS, it was reported that, 'The exact phrase that Cristiano wants to convey to (Real president Ramon) Calderon and (sporting director Predrag) Mijatovic, so that they don't need to worry is: "It's OK. Next week, I'll fix everything. I'll go to Manchester and tell them (United) my only desire is to play for Real Madrid and that the decision is non-negotiable."
Although United declined to comment on the latest apparent movement in the Ronaldo saga, club officials have developed an air of indifference to the 'mischief-making' emanating from the Spanish capital and view the daily bulletins as little more than desperation on the part of Real to chip away at United's determination not to sell.
Comments attributed to Carlos Tevez by AS last week, in which he called for United to honour Ronaldo's wishes, were dismissed as a fabrication by Ferguson and the latest reports relating to Ronaldo have been treated with similar contempt at Old Trafford.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-Man-Utd-dismiss-latest-Real-Madrid-talk.html
United aren't going to get involved in correcting such a vague story that seems to be pretty low profile even in Spain. AS never claimed these words came direct from Ronaldo. They imply that Madrid are claiming they have received this message.
No doubt the English press will pick up on the "story" as no matter how dodgy it is, they'll get people interested, same as we are now.
I am looking out for which papers claim the quotes were from "an interview Ronaldo had with the respected AS newspaper."
Definitely The Daily Star and The Sun. Possibly the Mirror, the Daily Mail and The Guardian as well.
If it gets more high-profile then maybe United get more iterested in combating it somehow. But I doubt Ronaldo will be doing anything about it. If he's still looking for leverage to get a better deal/exit agreement for next season, then he won't be saying anything until he meets Fergie and everything is finally sorted out one way or the other.
I want Ronaldo to stay and I think he will..
but a tiny part of me wants him to leave so that we can win the league without him and prove everyone wrong that thinks we will fall apart.
but a tiny part of me wants him to leave so that we can win the league without him and prove everyone wrong that thinks we will fall apart.
Why are all stories coming from Spain by Marca and AS? Aren't there any credible papers in Spain?
That's where I am to be fair...
Marca clearly have a science fiction writer working for them
see more mischief making from AS and Marca.
Do you mind not being an idiot.
He's debated impeccably with a lot of valid points, and without having to resort to any name calling.
If anything, it's you who's been shown up with an even worse username.
Top post!
You dump it if you want; many thousands of fans were more than happy to sing it last season. I think I'm beginning to see where you're coming from; you are the great authority who is always right, all those thousands of others are deluded fools.
Reminds me of a few 20th century Dictators I could name...
Absolutely
I couldn't agree more. Don't I remember this Milan supporter in the newbies always adopting an anti-Ronaldo agenda? (you are a Milan supporter no?)
This is my opinion also. We keep trawling up the same shite (or il Milanese does anyhow) and forgetting the analyses which many of us have aired here. Like SAF might indeed have told the Glazers that Ron is so central to his new team's success that he (SAF) might as well call it a day now if they let him go.
We've discussed the titanic battle for supremacy between the two global giants. That the balance of power is shifting away from Madrid and towards Manchester, and to fail in the bid to stare the Madridistas down now would be to concede top-dog position remaining with them. This in turn will encourage them to keep a-calling each and every time United bring on a new stella talent.
Face these feckers down and send them scurrying with their tail between their legs and United really ARE European champions.
It's a pity that Kakky and his ilk feel so ill-disposed to back SAF and the club they purport to love in this reagard. Not only that, but their ill-considered and negative statements actually give encouragement to the enemy (this forum is now newsworthy as we've discovered.
What I'd like to see is you and your like taking Dr Evil's advice to Scott and 'ZIppppp it'.
I fully understand that some, no most fans are fed up with Ronaldo.... pisses me off when some people come in with agendas though. Especially in the rags.
I reckon more than 3/4 of the fans cant stand Ronaldo and that's crazy after the season he just had, another success for the Madrid campaign...
I reckon more than 3/4 of the fans cant stand Ronaldo and that's crazy after the season he just had, another success for the Madrid campaign...
I agree completely he made this 10 times worse by not telling Madrid to feck off when there was always very little chance of us selling him anyway. I'm sure it will all be forgotten by christmas and to be completely honest if he wasn't so good we wouldn't so bothered and i can't wait to see him in a red shirt again this season
A campaign that would have been nothing without Ronaldo's complicity. He's got nobody to blame but himself for his plummeting popularity.
I'm not excusing Madrid, by the way, they've been utter cnuts. But that's nothing new.
We should take a leaf out of the scousers' book. 'In Rafa We Trust' they always say (and long may that continue).
Now I think some of us need to adopt this attitude with SAF. We should just leave this whole thing to Fergie. As long as he's in charge I'm sure United will be the winner in whatever happens with Ronaldo.
Ronaldo doesn't care about us much, so why should we spend so much time worrying about him.
Now I think some of us need to adopt this attitude with SAF. We should just leave this whole thing to Fergie. As long as he's in charge I'm sure United will be the winner in whatever happens with Ronaldo.
Ronaldo doesn't care about us much, so why should we spend so much time worrying about him.
Where's the fun in that?
And people thought this thread should be closed a few days ago. 
Just a couple of points:
1) Kaka seems to believe everything that's been in the papers this summer. I don't disagree with the fact that Ronaldo would prefer a move to Madrid, but when you reference a single unverifiable quote that claimed he wanted this before the season ended, it's obvious you're believing everything negative that has been written. That of course does not mean that everything written this summer has been lies.
2) I also couldn't disagree more with Kaka about Ronaldo not giving his all this year. That's bollocks. He's got a gigantic ego that loves this status that he's achieved as the BPITW. You think he's going to sacrifice that status and all the fame and marketing that goes with it by not giving his all?
3) There's really a lot of middle ground here and that's likely where the truth lies. People who think everything that's been written is true are just as clueless as those who think everything that's been written is lies.
4) If it wasn't for the principle of the matter, I would be praying to sell him off. But we're stuck with him, so I'm going to make the best of it and not waste my energies hating him. I'm just apathetic toward him, and that saddens me. I've never had anything but affection for a United player who was still in the squad.
Just a couple of points:
1) Kaka seems to believe everything that's been in the papers this summer. I don't disagree with the fact that Ronaldo would prefer a move to Madrid, but when you reference a single unverifiable quote that claimed he wanted this before the season ended, it's obvious you're believing everything negative that has been written. That of course does not mean that everything written this summer has been lies.
2) I also couldn't disagree more with Kaka about Ronaldo not giving his all this year. That's bollocks. He's got a gigantic ego that loves this status that he's achieved as the BPITW. You think he's going to sacrifice that status and all the fame and marketing that goes with it by not giving his all?
3) There's really a lot of middle ground here and that's likely where the truth lies. People who think everything that's been written is true are just as clueless as those who think everything that's been written is lies.
4) If it wasn't for the principle of the matter, I would be praying to sell him off. But we're stuck with him, so I'm going to make the best of it and not waste my energies hating him. I'm just apathetic toward him, and that saddens me. I've never had anything but affection for a United player who was still in the squad.
That's true.
But after 18k posts I think we've just about squeezed all the juice out of this topic.
The scousers have this almost fascist attitude that you can't criticise Benitez. They barely tolerate criticism of their players. It's this fantasy they need to cling to that Liverpool is great and they are on the brink of dominating football.
United fans are are more pragmatic/realistic/hard-to-please bastards. They'll criticise anything they don't agree with, and don't have blind faith in the club or Fergie.
"Sack Fergie, Sell Giggs" wasn't always a joke, it used to be serious.
I think SAF has done enough for this club to warrant some blind faith, at least when it comes to decisions for the team.
Pragmatic/realistic/hard-to-please could be an euphemism for spoilt.
It is.
So his last season for us then? Would you really warm to him this season knowing that at the end of it he'll definitely swap old trafford for the bernebau?
You don't know anything for sure and nobody knows what will happen in a year. Its a long time away. A year in football especially is a long time. You just have to take each season at a time in football
and if it is his last season, then as long as he puts his all in to it and has another great season, fine
Fellas,
Just stating my gut reaction to whats happening this summer. Just because my opinion differs from yours doesn't mean i'm right and your wrong or vice versa. Its just that, my opinion and how I interpret whats going on.
This summer is not the first time Madrid have courted dear old lovable Ronaldo. Last year before he signed his contract, they were at it. I don't recall anybody turning on Ron just because Calderon/Mijatovic opened their mouth. Hell we ignored what they were saying because we knew where Ronnie's loyalties lie. This summer, on numerous occasions when a mic was shoved in his face, Ronnie's been vague. He could have placated the situation or at least sent out a more positive message to us fans. Instead, he's refusing to commit. He reads the papers, this i'm sure of, so he knows whats going on. Ronnie has all the power when it comes to the speculation, but yet he refuses to do something about it.
If he stays, he'll be kept against his will. I want him to stay, believe me I do. And I trust Fergie's judgment. But like last summer, Fergie wanted Judas to stay even after taking us to court. So just goes to show, that just because he wants a player to stay doesn't mean the player is committed. Totally two different things
Just stating my gut reaction to whats happening this summer. Just because my opinion differs from yours doesn't mean i'm right and your wrong or vice versa. Its just that, my opinion and how I interpret whats going on.
This summer is not the first time Madrid have courted dear old lovable Ronaldo. Last year before he signed his contract, they were at it. I don't recall anybody turning on Ron just because Calderon/Mijatovic opened their mouth. Hell we ignored what they were saying because we knew where Ronnie's loyalties lie. This summer, on numerous occasions when a mic was shoved in his face, Ronnie's been vague. He could have placated the situation or at least sent out a more positive message to us fans. Instead, he's refusing to commit. He reads the papers, this i'm sure of, so he knows whats going on. Ronnie has all the power when it comes to the speculation, but yet he refuses to do something about it.
If he stays, he'll be kept against his will. I want him to stay, believe me I do. And I trust Fergie's judgment. But like last summer, Fergie wanted Judas to stay even after taking us to court. So just goes to show, that just because he wants a player to stay doesn't mean the player is committed. Totally two different things
Thats where you are wrong.
He had no problems in selling him, he just didn't want him to go to Liverpool and guess what? He didn't.
Fergie even said himself in his interview after the CL final that Heinze was one of the people he sold to Madrid because they were surplus to requirements
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