let me ask you, how do you know it's not mendes, who stands to gain financially from dealing with madrid, pulling the strings?
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let me ask you, how do you know it's not mendes, who stands to gain financially from dealing with madrid, pulling the strings?
Well you are in a minority then.
If you read his quotes yesterday, and you can't see how much shit he was saying, then I don't know what to say to you
To make out Ronaldo has played a part in this is accurate and fair enough.
To make out Calderon is innocent is deluded.
Calderon has been going on about Ronaldo for about a year, despite up until two months ago, Ronaldo saying he was happy. He was the same with Kaka last summer, despite Kaka saying he was happy.
All a bit skewed if you ask me... maybe by past feelings?
I think he is a bit of a tit too but my outlook is a lot different than yours...
Absolute Bollocks
Hope that helps
because seriously, if you think a player who wants to be the best in the world is going to go from 42 goals a season to his inconsistent performances before WC06, then you are a bit stupid. He is not going to let his performances suffer. For three reasons, one is that he is a winner and wants to win for whoever he plays for. He hates losing. Secondly, he wants to be crowned world player of the year, something that inconsistent performances won't get him and finally, if he wants to go to Madrid in the future, inconsistent performances isn't the way to go about it
Personally I feel that there is one person and one person alone who is responsible for this long drawn out saga. The ego of the guy is amazing, the fact that he has ruined a summer where we were supposed to lie back and bask in glory, the fact he really does see himself and "the best in the world" - which is unproven - and that is the boy Ronaldo himself.
All he had to say is, "no, I want to stay with United for a little while yet and that means I'll be staying next season. However, yes one day I would like to play for Real"
end of story, end of speculation...back to lying back basking in glory!!!!!!!!!
All he had to say is, "no, I want to stay with United for a little while yet and that means I'll be staying next season. However, yes one day I would like to play for Real"
end of story, end of speculation...back to lying back basking in glory!!!!!!!!!
Then how do you explain the Kaka saga last summer? because Kaka always declared he wanted to stay but yet Calderon never shut up
Like it or not, Calderon plays a part in these sagas
I agree with this. Its always seemed to me that Ronaldo is easily led, naive and ignorant.
I was recently told about a feature in a Spanish gossip mag about his split from Nereida. It said that his mother and other hangers-on were behind the break-up, and that they had done the same with other girl friends. Why? Because they do not want a woman influencing him over money. They have too much to lose. Friends of hers have stated that he didn't even tell her himself that it was over. He just broke off contact and one of his cousins told her to stop bothering him.
He thinks he can walk on water but he still does as the Madeira mafia says.
People give Madrid too much credit on here...
With the Zidane's, Ronaldo, Figo's and Beckham's, none of the teams they signed them from had just won the European Cup and their domestic league. I don't think they would have had the balls to try and lure Ronaldo, and even if they did, they would have done so early on and been told no and then buggered off and signed someone else. For fecks sake we're United managed by Sir Alex Ferguson who's been around longer than when Calderon first heard the term football.
And from looking at their recent transfer dealings, they've moved away from the galactico era of doing business. The board aren't in favor of it, the fans don't want it, and the players like it just the way it is. Calderon is not Perez, he hasn't really delivered on anything he promised. Perez delivered Figo from Barca first few months in charge! If it was Perez handling this Ronaldo business, then i'd be more suspicious of Madrid. No, they must be getting help and Ronnie's been leading them on. Ronnie wants out. He's told them of the fact and probably convinced them that he'll be able to manoeuvre it quite seamlessly, only to be found out by the brick wall that is Sir Alex. Now Madrid apply pressure on Ron to make it happen and force United to enter negotiations, because right now, Madrid can't do feck all until Ronnie gets his way. And Ronnie will play along because THATS WHAT HE WANTS. Nobody's putting a gun to his head. And remember, this speculation started from Ronnie's own mouth.
As for Viva Ronaldo...yes he scored 42 goals. Was mesmerizing last season, but Tevez played a smaller role but just as important. Rooney was struggling at times last season and deserved more support. Park played a blinder against Barca, and Rio was the reason we won so much. The man with the most goals usually gets the attention but I like the dynamic of this team.
And yes, i've never warmed to Ronnie because I knew he was capable of what he's doing this summer. Just didn't expect it to come after a season like we just had. The viva song really irks me because, it just feeds his ego, I don't think he really appreciates it or us as fans to be honest. Yes, i'm sure he's a nice lad, and he gets on with everybody, but I don't know.
With the Zidane's, Ronaldo, Figo's and Beckham's, none of the teams they signed them from had just won the European Cup and their domestic league. I don't think they would have had the balls to try and lure Ronaldo, and even if they did, they would have done so early on and been told no and then buggered off and signed someone else. For fecks sake we're United managed by Sir Alex Ferguson who's been around longer than when Calderon first heard the term football.
And from looking at their recent transfer dealings, they've moved away from the galactico era of doing business. The board aren't in favor of it, the fans don't want it, and the players like it just the way it is. Calderon is not Perez, he hasn't really delivered on anything he promised. Perez delivered Figo from Barca first few months in charge! If it was Perez handling this Ronaldo business, then i'd be more suspicious of Madrid. No, they must be getting help and Ronnie's been leading them on. Ronnie wants out. He's told them of the fact and probably convinced them that he'll be able to manoeuvre it quite seamlessly, only to be found out by the brick wall that is Sir Alex. Now Madrid apply pressure on Ron to make it happen and force United to enter negotiations, because right now, Madrid can't do feck all until Ronnie gets his way. And Ronnie will play along because THATS WHAT HE WANTS. Nobody's putting a gun to his head. And remember, this speculation started from Ronnie's own mouth.
As for Viva Ronaldo...yes he scored 42 goals. Was mesmerizing last season, but Tevez played a smaller role but just as important. Rooney was struggling at times last season and deserved more support. Park played a blinder against Barca, and Rio was the reason we won so much. The man with the most goals usually gets the attention but I like the dynamic of this team.
And yes, i've never warmed to Ronnie because I knew he was capable of what he's doing this summer. Just didn't expect it to come after a season like we just had. The viva song really irks me because, it just feeds his ego, I don't think he really appreciates it or us as fans to be honest. Yes, i'm sure he's a nice lad, and he gets on with everybody, but I don't know.
Thats the biggest disappointment of it all
The other thing is, we should of been partying our asses off on the back of winning the double & then all this bollox about Ronnie wanting to go to Real but didnt come out & say it in the media!
Its not just us fans that have felt the disappointment of all this crap, the players have been affected aswell. Rio said the other week something that really reflected what the fans think:
“This summer, given the season we’ve just had, should have been a time to think about our achievements,” Ferdinand said. “In the end that became impossible because of the stuff going on with Cristiano. The players can’t wait to see him back. There won’t be any problems between Cristiano and the rest of the squad because we have always stood by what Sir Alex Ferguson has said all along - Cristiano will be a United player next season. Cristiano is a great guy. He never has any problems with anyone in the squad and I’m sure that will be the same when he comes back through the door.”
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/rio-ronaldo-has-spoilt-what-should-have-been-a-great-summer/
I take the acknowledgement from Rio that Ronnie's fecked up what should of been a fanastic Summer for millions of folk around the world, still basking in the glory of a fantastic season!
An annoying thing for me is the political game we all had to put up with. Not only would he have lost his loyalty bonus if he had asked to leave, but i'm sure he wasnt completely positive that Real had enough money to prize him away from United in the first place, so he & his advisors had some brainwave to keep his voice out of it & have a circus do that for him - that way, they think that if nothing materalised then he couldnt be held accountable for any of the frenzy created on his behalf, as it was all just speculation!
Sorry Ronnie, but we're no fecking mugs mate, we've been following football alot longer than you pal & this shit is gonna stick with most of the United fans!
i'm sorry but that doesn't make sense
Perez got his men because 1) madrid had the funds to by the players for £££ and 2) the players wanted to move their
Your also ignoring the agent, rather focusing on ronaldo so while you say we give madrid to much 'credit' maybe you don't give his agent enough?...
Madrid can make a bid for a start! feck me, that's how deals are done..why haven't they made a bid? You are having a laugh
Ronaldo was instrumental but not the whole. To downplay his role is silly.
Your biased and shouldn't try and rationalize a one sided argument because you can't. That's the problem with bias...
The only person I see on here giving Madrid credit is you
Striker- Mendes doesn't want to piss off United, he has two other players here. Fergie even said earlier in the summer that he doubts the agent wants Ronnie to move as Madrid is swarming with agents and he could possibly lose his best client
Reddev - Calderon is a fool, but he's allowed to spout shit...freedom of speech and all. I say let him if it doesn't do any harm. Any committed player, like Kaka, ignores him. An uncommitted player pays attention.
Reddev - Calderon is a fool, but he's allowed to spout shit...freedom of speech and all. I say let him if it doesn't do any harm. Any committed player, like Kaka, ignores him. An uncommitted player pays attention.
So then why did they try and sign Kaka last summer then?
I am aware of that but what the eye don't see the brain don't know.....he could earn a lot of money and who would have to know?
the reality is Ronaldo wants to move to spain oneday anyway so he will lose him if that is the case so why not make a mint now? his profiles never been bigger...If i understand right mendes makes nothing if Ronaldo stays at United
Just to add, i'm not saying Ronaldo is innocent but clearly you cannot make assumptions and dress these as facts.
If sir alex wants to keep the player and he won't if the player isn't committed to the cause, then clearly a lot of people
know something the rest of the world don't and I don't see how that's possible.
I dont like the Viva Ronaldo song either. The people round me sing it right through the match when they should be giving others encouragement.
It will be very interesting to see the publics reaction to him next week and the look on his face as he comes through the airport.
It will be very interesting to see the publics reaction to him next week and the look on his face as he comes through the airport.
gossip mag.....
the best thing people can do is not turn up. The media are taking us for mugs. It would be a better message just to leave the boy alone then give them cnuts what they want.
Ronnie would have to off load his image rights in return for a hefty pay packet - hence the figures being bandied about (£250,000 per week), and the rights for representation aswell, so the agent is given a nice bumper pay off for his part in the deal!
Ronnie's agent - Mendes, stands to earn millions if he relinquishes his contract with Ronnie, so i'm not so sure he wouldnt want Ronnie leaving United!
As regard to what Fergie said (remember reading that), just because Mendes has two other clients at United doesnt mean anything. He wont lose his clients because Fergie wants to make the fecker pay for helping engineer a move to Real for Ronnie!
Yep.Bit like this thread.
Here we go again, so when we were singing viva Ronado, you lot were squirming in your seats? Don't let the agendas come out again...
I'm split because I don't much like Ronaldo at the moment but when the cnut!1 brigade come out in force in this thread I have to start distancing myself from them.
Yes some of you never liked him, fair enough... It's gting a bit old though.
Ronaldo is a tit but character assassination is pointless due to the lack of facts in the public domain, it's all opinions right now and if you never liked him in the first place then it pretty much devalues your opinion... IMHO
I'm split because I don't much like Ronaldo at the moment but when the cnut!1 brigade come out in force in this thread I have to start distancing myself from them.
Yes some of you never liked him, fair enough... It's gting a bit old though.
Ronaldo is a tit but character assassination is pointless due to the lack of facts in the public domain, it's all opinions right now and if you never liked him in the first place then it pretty much devalues your opinion... IMHO
C'mon guys, don't give up on me yet. I do want him to stay, and i'd love to share your outlook, but I just don't feel it. Is it bias? maybe, but I feel i'm making some valid points.
My whole point centers around the fact that Ronnie wants to leave and wants to leave now and that its his own decision, no matter what the extent of Madrid's role was or that of his agents. This whole summer has been of his own making and if you don't believe he's been communicating with Madrid willingly, and I stress the willingly, behind United's backs then I guess you refuse to see what I see.
Like I keep saying, Calderon won't be forcing a move through words alone. And whats the point of putting in a bid when you know it'll be rejected, thats just stupid. Madrid know we don't want to sell, all Calderon's doing is putting pressure on Ronnie to force our hand and to lower the price. I repeat...nobody is putting a gun on his head. Ronnie's behaving under free will. He wants out, he doesn't want to stay another season.
Tell me this then...why is it before, Ronnie always said that he was happy to stay despite overtures from Madrid; and now, after Fergie confirming he's staying, he can't come out and say it himself?
My whole point centers around the fact that Ronnie wants to leave and wants to leave now and that its his own decision, no matter what the extent of Madrid's role was or that of his agents. This whole summer has been of his own making and if you don't believe he's been communicating with Madrid willingly, and I stress the willingly, behind United's backs then I guess you refuse to see what I see.
Like I keep saying, Calderon won't be forcing a move through words alone. And whats the point of putting in a bid when you know it'll be rejected, thats just stupid. Madrid know we don't want to sell, all Calderon's doing is putting pressure on Ronnie to force our hand and to lower the price. I repeat...nobody is putting a gun on his head. Ronnie's behaving under free will. He wants out, he doesn't want to stay another season.
Tell me this then...why is it before, Ronnie always said that he was happy to stay despite overtures from Madrid; and now, after Fergie confirming he's staying, he can't come out and say it himself?
Then why hasn't he? Its August tomorrow after all.
And if you watched the full ESPN interview last week, he was even talking like he expects to be back playing for us next season. I think he has accepted he won't be sold and is going to leave it at that.
I do think that whats sad is, that you seem to want Ronaldo's performances to suffer (if he stays with us) and you want Ronaldo to force a move etc just so you can turn around all smug and say 'I told you so'. Neither is going to be good for the club so I don't think its very good that you seem eager for both to happen.
I am sorry to tell you but I will be amazed if either happens.
I want whats best for Manchester United and if SAF thinks Ronaldo staying is that, then I will support that.
I dont believe that Ronaldo wants to stay. There again, if we force him out we will be playing Real Madrid's game. Real's aim is to burn any bridges between our club and Cristiano, so that they can take him on cheap.
I need a break from this.... l8r
Yes, but it sounds feasible. That little guy who is at Ronaldos side in every single picture (in Rome, in Portugal, in LA) is the one who probably does his dirty work.
They all do. How else do you think they shift copies?
give me strength
I need a break
Anyway lets wait and see shall we...
I remember a while ago in the newbies, a few others and myself got crucified for saying 'Great player, cnut of a person' (when it wasn't popular to say it) and I guess its been proven this summer. People think if he stays it'll be all rosy and back to normal, sort of like the boyfriend who doesn't want to accept he's been dumped.
Personally, I think he wants this move badly, and like I said its going to be an interesting August
I remember a while ago in the newbies, a few others and myself got crucified for saying 'Great player, cnut of a person' (when it wasn't popular to say it) and I guess its been proven this summer. People think if he stays it'll be all rosy and back to normal, sort of like the boyfriend who doesn't want to accept he's been dumped.
Personally, I think he wants this move badly, and like I said its going to be an interesting August
Only you were going on about how over-rated he was and how he was the third, fourth best player in the team etc and how he was not even in the top three best in the world. Don't even try and deny it because I was in the newbies with you
Let's just wait and see what happens. AS and Marca have "claimed" many times that Ronaldo was about to hand in a transfer request, and that he'd be in a white shirt by the 7th of this month. Until the British papers confirm it with complete quotes, it's still just gossip and random speculation much like this thread.
I'm glad the Olympics are only a week away, seems like most of us are just too bored and spark a frenzy over a few lines of tabloid journalism at every opportunity.
I'm glad the Olympics are only a week away, seems like most of us are just too bored and spark a frenzy over a few lines of tabloid journalism at every opportunity.
He doesn't want to leave. He just wants to join Madrid.
Obviously it looks pretty much the same, but there are key differences. Wanting to leave indicates he's unhappy, and that he will basically do everything in his power to get out and get out now. It means you are actively trying to get out of the club you are in.
Whereas wanting to join another club is a much more innocent situation. You can still like, respect, and even love to some extent, the club where you currently are. But for one reason or another (wanting to join a bigger club, or in Ronaldo's case wanting to play in a league he grew up thinking was better) the player wants to move on. But because they are still happy and enjoying their time at the club, they won't be particularly upset if they feel their 'dream' move will have to be postponed for a season or two (depending on their age, obviously). And because they are still happy, they will still be playing at 100% during the season, and there is a slight chance that they would even end up feeling that they don't want the move afterall.
With players in that second group, you look at how hard they push for the move. Do they quietly let the clubs know they want the move? Do they announce to the media they want the move? Do they try and force a move through? Do they actively attack the club to try and force a move? From our own club, Carrick, Saha and Hargreaves all acted worse than Ronaldo have so far. Caick and Saha forced the move through, and Hargreaves was regularly talking to the media and letting everyone know that he wanted the move to happen. Whereas Ronaldo has basically said his thing ('I dream of playing in Spain, but it's not up to me') and then sat back to let the clubs sort it out, and in fact has made a couple of comments showing he expects to still be at Man Utd this season.
So which camp do you think Ronaldo falls in? Actively wanting to get the hell out of Old Trafford because he dislikes playing for the club? Or just that he'd prefer to play for Madrid, but is still quite happy at Man Utd. Because when you cut through the vast amount of media bullshit, it's quite obviously the latter.
Plus he's got a shit username. The tit.
Reddev...I think you got me confused with someone else. LOL!
Calm down...i'm just saying what I feel and just trying to invoke a discussion. Ronnie is the best player in the world at the moment, but not my favorite player in the team, I like him the least actually. Doesn't make me think any less of him as a player. I actually used to talk his talent up when he first started with us, when everybody thought he was shite. Its just a shame his personality doesn't match his talent
Calm down...i'm just saying what I feel and just trying to invoke a discussion. Ronnie is the best player in the world at the moment, but not my favorite player in the team, I like him the least actually. Doesn't make me think any less of him as a player. I actually used to talk his talent up when he first started with us, when everybody thought he was shite. Its just a shame his personality doesn't match his talent
Very good post.
Agree with all of that and you highlight some really pertinent differences between Ronaldo and some of the other transfer sagas from the past.
Excellent post. Agree with all of it
Maddog...excellent points. I knew there were a few intelligent posters over here. This is the kind of thing i like to get going.
Yes, Ronnie wanting to play for Madrid and Ronnie wanting to leave are the same thing to me. Ruud didn't drag our name through the mud but he wanted to leave, so we've been told. Ronnie has hinted that he wants to go, its his dream, and all. I don't begrudge that of him, and i'm sure he'd be alright (not happy) with staying. But, for a player to say he made up his mind before the Champions League Final tells me this had been on his mind for a while. Fergie having clear the air talks with him (when in reality it wasn't necessary if he was indeed happy to stay) tells me that even Fergie wasn't that sure where Ronaldo stood.
Yes, if he's forced to stay, meaning he's told that under no condition will his dream move be granted this season, he might just shrug his shoulders and accept it. But what if we don't want to sell him next season, or the season after that? Or lets say we guarantee to sell him next summer (which i doubt we'd do) how will that affect our negotiating position? Will other players be allowed to plan one or two seasons ahead despite their contracts?
Yes, Ronnie wanting to play for Madrid and Ronnie wanting to leave are the same thing to me. Ruud didn't drag our name through the mud but he wanted to leave, so we've been told. Ronnie has hinted that he wants to go, its his dream, and all. I don't begrudge that of him, and i'm sure he'd be alright (not happy) with staying. But, for a player to say he made up his mind before the Champions League Final tells me this had been on his mind for a while. Fergie having clear the air talks with him (when in reality it wasn't necessary if he was indeed happy to stay) tells me that even Fergie wasn't that sure where Ronaldo stood.
Yes, if he's forced to stay, meaning he's told that under no condition will his dream move be granted this season, he might just shrug his shoulders and accept it. But what if we don't want to sell him next season, or the season after that? Or lets say we guarantee to sell him next summer (which i doubt we'd do) how will that affect our negotiating position? Will other players be allowed to plan one or two seasons ahead despite their contracts?
Goal.com mangle stuff even worse than AS and Marca do.
As has been said, AS are saying that Ronado relayed these words to madrid via some go between. It's not as though AS had a taped interview with him or something. They're just guessing that if Ronaldo is still planning to move Madrid then he must be saying something like that to Madrid.
The story is way down the page on AS.com. Even they don't have faith in their own article.
Christ, how many posts on how many football forums are vomited out over a bullshit AS story that is described as an "interview" by goal.com???
It's just like how The Sun printed those Fergie "quotes" about Berbatov without claiming they got them from his own mouth, but then the BBC etc. ran stories saying that the The Sun had interviewed Fergie when he said those words.
You can see the scousers getting excited over it
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=224572.280
Pricks won't trust The Sun but they'll trust goal.com if it makes them feel better.
As has been said, AS are saying that Ronado relayed these words to madrid via some go between. It's not as though AS had a taped interview with him or something. They're just guessing that if Ronaldo is still planning to move Madrid then he must be saying something like that to Madrid.
The story is way down the page on AS.com. Even they don't have faith in their own article.
Christ, how many posts on how many football forums are vomited out over a bullshit AS story that is described as an "interview" by goal.com???
It's just like how The Sun printed those Fergie "quotes" about Berbatov without claiming they got them from his own mouth, but then the BBC etc. ran stories saying that the The Sun had interviewed Fergie when he said those words.
You can see the scousers getting excited over it
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=224572.280
Pricks won't trust The Sun but they'll trust goal.com if it makes them feel better.
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