I don't think anyone thinks you do. Nobody sensible anyway.
Similarly, I don't think anyone should call fellow fans "turncoats" either, just because they're slightly less hysterical about the whole thing.
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I don't think anyone thinks you do. Nobody sensible anyway.
Similarly, I don't think anyone should call fellow fans "turncoats" either, just because they're slightly less hysterical about the whole thing.
I agree. I think he is staying, but it hasn't always been that clear cut this summer.
As I said in my previous post when supporting a team, many football fans lose a sense of rationale. Ronaldo has been a very emotive issue, posters says things out of turn - we need to give a bit of slack.
Football's pretty tribal. Must admit I was sitting on the fence before an interview of his that allegedly didn't happen. You know the one in which someone was actually pretending to be him.
But it's nothing to do with undying player loyalty. Do people think fans start resenting their players once they move on? Of course not. Ronaldo has been acting like a cnut. . .and it's up to him to build those bridges. Not the fans, who used to adore him on the terraces(sorry, in the stands). But it'll take more time time than a couple of goals in his first match back.
All this talk of hating Ronaldo equals showing your passion for United is bollocks. Its something some of you have latched onto but it makes no sense. As I mentioned earlier (before we hit the Ronnie=CNUT! phase) a persons stance on Ronnie and his actions shouldn't have anything to do with your support of the club, if anything its more to do with the way you look at people, and expect from people ...
I feel the posters that are the most vocal on their hatred for Ronaldo are the ones that are hurt the most by his actions, due to some idealistic view they have of footballers and people as a whole.
Some of us are more realistic, cynical, travel hardened, laid back,etc... Some of us are more emotional, wound up, naive, etc... this is where the caf divide is IMO.
Not top red vs. part-time red.
I know what I wanted to say, whether or not I got that across I don't know...
I feel the posters that are the most vocal on their hatred for Ronaldo are the ones that are hurt the most by his actions, due to some idealistic view they have of footballers and people as a whole.
Some of us are more realistic, cynical, travel hardened, laid back,etc... Some of us are more emotional, wound up, naive, etc... this is where the caf divide is IMO.
Not top red vs. part-time red.
I know what I wanted to say, whether or not I got that across I don't know...
The scouser i mentioned has followed up on the bet, despite the transfer window staying open till the eng of August he has conceded defeat and sent me a videoof his mrs wearing just her panties
He's in the newbies on here too, PeacefulRival i think he's called
Dude, I suspect you've been had. It must be one of those he downloaded elsewhere. But worry not, post it and I'm sure our resident porn specialists can verify it for you.
OK, if you want to get technical about it. It's pretty clear that he fully expects to be at United. But going back to my point, I was responding to a poster who said that Ronaldo said his future is still undecided, and then Calderon went after Kaka leaving Ronaldo in the lurch. The truth is quite the opposite. Only after Ronaldo made his most definitive comment yet, did the Kaka news come out.
I think some people are reading too much into the "only God knows the future" comments, thinking that it means that he's still trying to go to Madrid. He said the same thing last week when asked about joining the LA Galaxy some day!
Dude, I suspect you've been had. It must be one of those he downloaded elsewhere. But worry not, post it and I'm sure our resident porn specialists can verify it for you.
Agreed...
Dude, I suspect you've been had. It must be one of those he downloaded elsewhere. But worry not, post it and I'm sure our resident porn specialists can verify it for you.
i'm a self-declared porn specialist (promise! - i have a badge and everything).
pm me the pics.
You think its his way of saying 'no comment'?
Or maybe 'leave me the fcuk alone'....
probably the latter. he looked well exasperated with the interviewer that day.
My issue with Ronaldo is nothing to do with the fact he wants to play for Real Madrid. I think 90% of United fan's knew he'd leave for Madrid eventually. My issue is the way he's treated the club. He said this:
Then as soon as he was away started to strongly hint towards the opposite. If he wants to play for Real Madrid come out and say it. No one can argue that his behaviour this summer has been just plain disrespectful. The guy is a totally self-obsessed wanker!
Then as soon as he was away started to strongly hint towards the opposite. If he wants to play for Real Madrid come out and say it. No one can argue that his behaviour this summer has been just plain disrespectful. The guy is a totally self-obsessed wanker!
what good does it do going over it and over it? Sometimes you have to turn a blind eye, if only to save your own sanity. While Ronaldo is an adult, we don't know the influence other people may or may not have on him. Family, agents - everyone has an agenda
He's staying, that should be enough. No point letting it get to you to the extent you cannot let it go
But right now I'm changing my mind on this, I'm not as angry with him as I was, and can almost understand what has happened.
It's like being in a relationship, we love him but he doesn't love us in the same way that we want him too. So to cover up this slowly diminishing commitment to our club he says he wants to stay, almost as if he is trying to deny what he really wants. Clearly he wants to break up with us...but I can't imagine how hard it is for him to say this to the fans and the club that have given him so much over the last 5years.
Bollocks. Making it short and painful by saying what his intentions are is by far more respectful to us fans and the club, as long as he does it the right way. Whether we'll actually sell him is another issue seeing as he's just 1 year into his contract. Instead, he's made a fecking circus around him this summer and has ruined what should have been a double celebrating summer for anyone related to united. Maybe it's because he's just not very bright, but he has clearly gone around this the worst way possible.
Ronaldo is going Italian.
http://www.showbizspy.com/07222008/cristiano-ronaldo-dating-italian-model-letizia-filippi
http://www.showbizspy.com/07222008/cristiano-ronaldo-dating-italian-model-letizia-filippi
I don't want to let it go, don't worry it's not consuming me and keeping me up at night or anything haha! And I'm not going to boo him or anything ridiculous like that as well but I'm not just going to shrug this off and pretend it didn't happen. There's a large proportion of United fan's that won't forget it either. If he stays expect a lot more Rooney chants than Ronaldo ones at Old Trafford next season!
Pretty much all been said before, he just writes it in a more Galileo style.
Or how about the fact he really doesn't know where he'll be in 2, 3, 5 years time? Stam was having a new kitchen installed when he was sold!
Some of you are as though you have a mindset of a 15 year old girl that promise the guy she lost her virginity to that they'll be together forever and she will only love him for the rest of her life.
Would you guys be happier if he promise to spend the rest of his life at United and then leaving 1 year later? Ruud was saying that every year and yet asked to leave on 3 occasions didn't he?
When my girlfriend ask me to go watch a movie on the weekend I don't even promise her that because maybe I won't be in the mood then and she won't be happy if I go back on my words FFS.
If we go we go, why make elaborate plans for everything damn thing? Like I said in an earlier post, it's just words. The cnut was saying how fantastic we were and everyone were calling him a legend but that didn't stop him forcing a move to liverpool did it?
You saw how when Ronaldo scored against Sporting in the CL and he immediately "apologize" for that and refused to celebrate. That's respect for fans that used to adore him, that's not behavior of a cnutish person. He has always said that he loved it here and the United fans are amazing so I really believe that he just do not want to make a promise he can't keep.
That's not even saying he'll leave for sure, just that no one knows the future. He might like it here so much he'll spend the rest of his career here or he might be out next week. Like he said, only God knows.
Some of you are as though you have a mindset of a 15 year old girl that promise the guy she lost her virginity to that they'll be together forever and she will only love him for the rest of her life.
Would you guys be happier if he promise to spend the rest of his life at United and then leaving 1 year later? Ruud was saying that every year and yet asked to leave on 3 occasions didn't he?
When my girlfriend ask me to go watch a movie on the weekend I don't even promise her that because maybe I won't be in the mood then and she won't be happy if I go back on my words FFS.
If we go we go, why make elaborate plans for everything damn thing? Like I said in an earlier post, it's just words. The cnut was saying how fantastic we were and everyone were calling him a legend but that didn't stop him forcing a move to liverpool did it?
You saw how when Ronaldo scored against Sporting in the CL and he immediately "apologize" for that and refused to celebrate. That's respect for fans that used to adore him, that's not behavior of a cnutish person. He has always said that he loved it here and the United fans are amazing so I really believe that he just do not want to make a promise he can't keep.
That's not even saying he'll leave for sure, just that no one knows the future. He might like it here so much he'll spend the rest of his career here or he might be out next week. Like he said, only God knows.
Has he left yet?
I think he just truly means that only God knows the future. I think it may be a cultural thing. My wife is from Chile, and I'm surrounded by Latins here in Miami. And I hear a lot of expressions that are similar. Portuguese and Spanish cultures have a lot of similarities, so I can see those comments being far more innocent than a lot of people (here and in the press) make them out to be.
Somebody was telling me how well Ron's Spanish had come on since he met his Mallorcan girl (it was always better than his English) and now we get rumours of Italians.
Obvious really - United won't sell to Madrid so it's Kaka who'll pretend to switch to Spain before moving to Chelsea at the last moment - Calderon will be sent to live on that island in Lost (now renamed Lost Again). Meanwhile Ron spends a year brushing up his Italian (if you'll pardon the expression) and then he's off to Milan.
Then again there are rumours of a Scottish girl in LA. Surely SAF hasn't arranged a loan deal with Aberdeen
Most entertaining Spanish non-news story today on this came from Sport (a more Barca sort of daily paper) which is celebrating Calderon's "third great fiasco" - the previous ones being Kaka and Fabregas, and headlining a story that it's Calabazas (pumpkins) time again for Calderon.
Dar calabazas = to have your loving advances rejected/spurned
Apologies for the translational ramble - I just like the image.
If you read that clip, it would seem that Ronaldo is treating his (ex) girl friend just like he treats his club. Non-committal, evasive, too cowardly to tell her the truth and flirting with another(s).
Somebody was telling me how well Ron's Spanish had come on since he met his Mallorcan girl (it was always better than his English) and now we get rumours of Italians.
Obvious really - United won't sell to Madrid so it's Kaka who'll pretend to switch to Spain before moving to Chelsea at the last moment - Calderon will be sent to live on that island in Lost (now renamed Lost Again). Meanwhile Ron spends a year brushing up his Italian (if you'll pardon the expression) and then he's off to Milan.
Then again there are rumours of a Scottish girl in LA. Surely SAF hasn't arranged a loan deal with Aberdeen
Most entertaining Spanish non-news story today on this came from Sport (a more Barca sort of daily paper) which is celebrating Calderon's "third great fiasco" - the previous ones being Kaka and Fabregas, and headlining a story that it's Calabazas (pumpkins) time again for Calderon.
Dar calabazas = to have your loving advances rejected/spurned
Apologies for the translational ramble - I just like the image.
I love that. The Spanish press are starting to turn on Calderon. Poor man.
Calabazas time Calderon!
Nah just the Catalan press that loves having a pop at Real.
MICHAEL CARRICK is the linchpin of Manchester United’s Double-winners who cannot get into Fabio Capello’s England side.
There is massive irony in the fact that midfielder Carrick has quickly convinced Sir Alex Ferguson that he is indispensable but cannot persuade Capello to select him.
Yet neither Carrick nor Ferguson is complaining.
One of the few men on the pitch in the Champions League final who had not been selected for his country under Capello claims he is content with being the apple of Ferguson’s eye.
“Coming here was the best thing I ever did,” said Carrick, who signed from Tottenham for £18.6million two years ago.
In that time, he has won two Premier League titles and the Champions League – and like so many of his established United team-mates, he wants more. “To win the Champions League is a tremendous achievement,” said Carrick, as he prepared for tonight’s second match in United’s tour of South Africa against the Orlando Pirates.
It was what we set out to do, even when people were saying that to win the Double might not be possible.
“We are going into the season full of confidence but, although it won’t help us this time, once you win things, the confidence does drive you on.
“Now we have to start all over again. Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes have kept on winning down the years and I look at them and now I know why. They want to keep winning because they can’t get enough of it.
“As for the international team, I just want to go on putting in the performances here and see what happens.”
Ferguson handed Carrick 39 appearances last season, as United defended their domestic title and conquered Europe. But he sympathises with Capello over his midfield dilemma.
“If you look at the England set-up over the last few years, it is correct that the last three coaches – Sven-Goran Eriksson, Steve McClaren and Fabio Capello – have had more choice in central midfield than anywhere else,” said Ferguson.
“They’ve had to choose between Beckham, Frank Lampard, Owen Hargreaves, Joe Cole – and now Gareth Barry has edged in.
“It makes it very difficult for the coach. Of course you would like your players to be recognised by England, but I have no grouse with Fabio given the options he has.”
And Ferguson cited his own riches as evidence of the difficulty facing Capello.
“When Owen Hargreaves started last season he had tendinitis and it took quite a time to get him on the road, which meant it was not until the second half of the season that he got into his stride. By that time, Carrick, Paul Scholes and Anderson were dominant. But Hargreaves showed his qualities in the second half of the season.
“We have our own problems selecting players for central midfield, so I can understand Fabio’s dilemma.”
Carrick clearly believes he is good enough to be in the England squad. But he is consoled by his joy at joining United.
“Everything that surrounds the club tells you it is moving in the right direction and we want to build on that,” he said. “The best thing I have done is to come here. For me, it is a no-brainer.
“We know what we are capable of – and that means more European Cups and championships.”
Ferguson confirmed that defender Wes Brown will fly home tomorrow following the death of his sister. Rio Ferdinand is due to play tonight after missing last week’s match at Aberdeen and the first match against Kaizer Chiefs.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/53483/Call-up-would-be-Fab-says-Carrick
There is massive irony in the fact that midfielder Carrick has quickly convinced Sir Alex Ferguson that he is indispensable but cannot persuade Capello to select him.
Yet neither Carrick nor Ferguson is complaining.
One of the few men on the pitch in the Champions League final who had not been selected for his country under Capello claims he is content with being the apple of Ferguson’s eye.
“Coming here was the best thing I ever did,” said Carrick, who signed from Tottenham for £18.6million two years ago.
In that time, he has won two Premier League titles and the Champions League – and like so many of his established United team-mates, he wants more. “To win the Champions League is a tremendous achievement,” said Carrick, as he prepared for tonight’s second match in United’s tour of South Africa against the Orlando Pirates.
It was what we set out to do, even when people were saying that to win the Double might not be possible.
“We are going into the season full of confidence but, although it won’t help us this time, once you win things, the confidence does drive you on.
“Now we have to start all over again. Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes have kept on winning down the years and I look at them and now I know why. They want to keep winning because they can’t get enough of it.
“As for the international team, I just want to go on putting in the performances here and see what happens.”
Ferguson handed Carrick 39 appearances last season, as United defended their domestic title and conquered Europe. But he sympathises with Capello over his midfield dilemma.
“If you look at the England set-up over the last few years, it is correct that the last three coaches – Sven-Goran Eriksson, Steve McClaren and Fabio Capello – have had more choice in central midfield than anywhere else,” said Ferguson.
“They’ve had to choose between Beckham, Frank Lampard, Owen Hargreaves, Joe Cole – and now Gareth Barry has edged in.
“It makes it very difficult for the coach. Of course you would like your players to be recognised by England, but I have no grouse with Fabio given the options he has.”
And Ferguson cited his own riches as evidence of the difficulty facing Capello.
“When Owen Hargreaves started last season he had tendinitis and it took quite a time to get him on the road, which meant it was not until the second half of the season that he got into his stride. By that time, Carrick, Paul Scholes and Anderson were dominant. But Hargreaves showed his qualities in the second half of the season.
“We have our own problems selecting players for central midfield, so I can understand Fabio’s dilemma.”
Carrick clearly believes he is good enough to be in the England squad. But he is consoled by his joy at joining United.
“Everything that surrounds the club tells you it is moving in the right direction and we want to build on that,” he said. “The best thing I have done is to come here. For me, it is a no-brainer.
“We know what we are capable of – and that means more European Cups and championships.”
Ferguson confirmed that defender Wes Brown will fly home tomorrow following the death of his sister. Rio Ferdinand is due to play tonight after missing last week’s match at Aberdeen and the first match against Kaizer Chiefs.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/53483/Call-up-would-be-Fab-says-Carrick
Won't be long though before the rest of them draw their swords
Arsene Wenger backs Fergie in hammering Real on Ronaldo
By Tom Collomosse, mirror.co.uk 22/07/2008
Arsene Wenger
Arsene Wenger has for once thrown his weight behind Sir Alex Ferguson by accusing Real Madrid of "destabilising" Cristiano Ronaldo.
Wenger's spats with Fergie have become legendary in the Frenchman's 12 years as Gunners boss - their rows adding spice to Arsenal's battles with Manchester United for the title.
But Wenger reckons his old adversary has every right to moan about the way Real have gone about trying to poach Portuguese wing wizard Ronaldo.
"If you don't show respect to other clubs, I think that football is moving in the wrong way," said Wenger.
"You cannot come out like president Ramon Calderon
has done at Real Madrid with Manchester United, and tell them they cannot stop a player from leaving.
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"You can destabilise any player in the world - that is irresponsible.
"The big clubs should have values and vision, and be setting an example to others. If we do not do that in football, then we do not understand our responsibilities."
By Tom Collomosse, mirror.co.uk 22/07/2008
Arsene Wenger has for once thrown his weight behind Sir Alex Ferguson by accusing Real Madrid of "destabilising" Cristiano Ronaldo.
Wenger's spats with Fergie have become legendary in the Frenchman's 12 years as Gunners boss - their rows adding spice to Arsenal's battles with Manchester United for the title.
But Wenger reckons his old adversary has every right to moan about the way Real have gone about trying to poach Portuguese wing wizard Ronaldo.
"If you don't show respect to other clubs, I think that football is moving in the wrong way," said Wenger.
"You cannot come out like president Ramon Calderon
has done at Real Madrid with Manchester United, and tell them they cannot stop a player from leaving.//
"You can destabilise any player in the world - that is irresponsible.
"The big clubs should have values and vision, and be setting an example to others. If we do not do that in football, then we do not understand our responsibilities."
Fair play
Arsene Wenger backs Fergie in hammering Real on Ronaldo
By Tom Collomosse, mirror.co.uk 22/07/2008
Arsene Wenger
Arsene Wenger has for once thrown his weight behind Sir Alex Ferguson by accusing Real Madrid of "destabilising" Cristiano Ronaldo.
Wenger's spats with Fergie have become legendary in the Frenchman's 12 years as Gunners boss - their rows adding spice to Arsenal's battles with Manchester United for the title.
But Wenger reckons his old adversary has every right to moan about the way Real have gone about trying to poach Portuguese wing wizard Ronaldo.
"If you don't show respect to other clubs, I think that football is moving in the wrong way," said Wenger.
"You cannot come out like president Ramon Calderon
//
"You can destabilise any player in the world - that is irresponsible.
"The big clubs should have values and vision, and be setting an example to others. If we do not do that in football, then we do not understand our responsibilities."
im telling you wenger has been taken over by aliens that live inside him like in the film dave.
thats not him making those sensible comments
So he's not gone then? Hmmmm
Very interesting - perhaps the No answer has finally sunk into Calderon's thick skull.
Mind you, how impressed will Kaka be at being regarded as second best to Ronaldo? Or will money talk?
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Very interesting - perhaps the No answer has finally sunk into Calderon's thick skull.
Mind you, how impressed will Kaka be at being regarded as second best to Ronaldo? Or will money talk?
the less carrick plays for england, the better for us.
i wish all of our players didn't play for their national sides.
My thoughts exactly
Arsene Wenger backs Fergie in hammering Real on Ronaldo
By Tom Collomosse, mirror.co.uk 22/07/2008
Arsene Wenger
Arsene Wenger has for once thrown his weight behind Sir Alex Ferguson by accusing Real Madrid of "destabilising" Cristiano Ronaldo.
Wenger's spats with Fergie have become legendary in the Frenchman's 12 years as Gunners boss - their rows adding spice to Arsenal's battles with Manchester United for the title.
But Wenger reckons his old adversary has every right to moan about the way Real have gone about trying to poach Portuguese wing wizard Ronaldo.
"If you don't show respect to other clubs, I think that football is moving in the wrong way," said Wenger.
"You cannot come out like president Ramon Calderon
//
"You can destabilise any player in the world - that is irresponsible.
"The big clubs should have values and vision, and be setting an example to others. If we do not do that in football, then we do not understand our responsibilities."
Wengers changed
To be fair to Wenger, during this whole saga his comments have supported us.Arsene Wenger backs Fergie in hammering Real on Ronaldo
By Tom Collomosse, mirror.co.uk 22/07/2008
Arsene Wenger
Arsene Wenger has for once thrown his weight behind Sir Alex Ferguson by accusing Real Madrid of "destabilising" Cristiano Ronaldo.
Wenger's spats with Fergie have become legendary in the Frenchman's 12 years as Gunners boss - their rows adding spice to Arsenal's battles with Manchester United for the title.
But Wenger reckons his old adversary has every right to moan about the way Real have gone about trying to poach Portuguese wing wizard Ronaldo.
"If you don't show respect to other clubs, I think that football is moving in the wrong way," said Wenger.
"You cannot come out like president Ramon Calderon
//
"You can destabilise any player in the world - that is irresponsible.
"The big clubs should have values and vision, and be setting an example to others. If we do not do that in football, then we do not understand our responsibilities."
That's because it's nothing new to him. He's in the exact same situation with Hleb (or was) and Adebayor.
I do somewhat agree with this. What could be a blessing in disguise is that now when/if Ronaldo returns, he will have a huge added incentive to make up for this whole pathetic saga to the club and fans which could coincidentally make him play even better and give even more to build those bridges back. We've already seen before that Ronaldo has an incredible amount of resilience and is a very strong character, this whole controversy could just spark him up that extra bit - something that may have been missing after a season of unparalleled individual success which could have led to a level of complacency this season. After all that has gone on, I just hope that Ronaldo returns, does his talking on the pitch and shows his commitment through his football and actions - ultimately, we all want what's best for our club and perhaps a Cristiano Ronaldo with something to prove will help us achieve the top honours.
Somebody was telling me how well Ron's Spanish had come on since he met his Mallorcan girl (it was always better than his English) and now we get rumours of Italians.
Obvious really - United won't sell to Madrid so it's Kaka who'll pretend to switch to Spain before moving to Chelsea at the last moment - Calderon will be sent to live on that island in Lost (now renamed Lost Again). Meanwhile Ron spends a year brushing up his Italian (if you'll pardon the expression) and then he's off to Milan.
Then again there are rumours of a Scottish girl in LA. Surely SAF hasn't arranged a loan deal with Aberdeen
Most entertaining Spanish non-news story today on this came from Sport (a more Barca sort of daily paper) which is celebrating Calderon's "third great fiasco" - the previous ones being Kaka and Fabregas, and headlining a story that it's Calabazas (pumpkins) time again for Calderon.
Dar calabazas = to have your loving advances rejected/spurned
Apologies for the translational ramble - I just like the image.
Apology is not needed, interesting news, thanks.
Ronaldo did say he was hounded by a club, or several clubs. It'll will do his ego no good esp. at his age.
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