ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation

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INF-AMOS said:
It’s all too coincidental that Ronaldo reiterates that his future is still not decided whilst Calderon then also states that Real have not given up hope of signing him.
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But Calderon has been spouting this rubbish daily, if not hourly, all off-season. So of course any time Ronaldo has said anything Calderon has been out instantly to keep trying to get Ronaldo to force a move.

Meanwhile, Ronaldo has spent the entire window simply saying 'if you really want me put in a bid that Man Utd will accept'.
 
ThatOldRedMagic said:
As is now clear, if it wasn't all along.
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It was if you stayed calm and took every report with a healthy dose of sceptism.

The worst moment (from our point) was the interview that Ronaldo did with Ballague, and even that finished with him saying that Man Utd fans would forgive him once he's back scoring goals. I admit that the beginning of that interview had me a bit worried, but it was the only time in the entire saga I was.
 
MadDogg said:
It was if you stayed calm and took every report with a healthy dose of sceptism.

The worst moment (from our point) was the interview that Ronaldo did with Ballague, and even that finished with him saying that Man Utd fans would forgive him once he's back scoring goals. I admit that the beginning of that interview had me a bit worried, but it was the only time in the entire saga I was.
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Was never overly worried...its clear the boy wants/wanted a move because he bloody told us virtually the day after he signed what his dream is/was.

The point is he doesnt want a move enough to do what it would take which is pretty much go on strike...because short of that fergie will not sell.

The day fergie leaves is the day this becomes a whole nother issue.
 
MadDogg said:
It was if you stayed calm and took every report with a healthy dose of sceptism.

The worst moment (from our point) was the interview that Ronaldo did with Ballague, and even that finished with him saying that Man Utd fans would forgive him once he's back scoring goals. I admit that the beginning of that interview had me a bit worried, but it was the only time in the entire saga I was.
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Yes I agree, but I'm certain we've all learned (as another poster earlier this morning remarked) a great deal about how the media works, not only here in the UK but all over the world. The Caf must now contain some of the most media-savvy hard-nuts to be found on any mass forum.

The Ball-ague fiasco was, I feel, the point at which this message really began to hit home.
 
GusHiddink said:
Was never overly worried...its clear the boy wants/wanted a move because he bloody told us virtually the day after he signed what his dream is/was
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Yup, as far as I was concerned nothing changed this off-season except that it was when Real went into over-drive to try and get him and got him thinking that maybe this was the time. There was never the remotest indication from him that he'd try and force a move or that he wouldn't be happy if he did stay.

Right from the start his stance hasn't changed. He'd like to go to Real if they make an offer that we can't refuse (knowing that as his contract comes down we won't get quite as much), but he won't do their dirty work for them. He wants a clean transfer with everyone winning.
 
MadDogg said:
Yup, as far as I was concerned nothing changed this off-season except that it was when Real went into over-drive to try and get him and got him thinking that maybe this was the time. There was never the remotest indication from him that he'd try and force a move or that he wouldn't be happy if he did stay.

Right from the start his stance hasn't changed. He'd like to go to Real if they make an offer that we can't refuse (knowing that as his contract comes down we won't get quite as much), but he won't do their dirty work for them. He wants a clean transfer with everyone winning.
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Which actually, in spite of all the adverse comments from many on the Caf, and particularly when allowance is made for translation, context, media hype, spin and total fabrication, is a reasonably honourable stance - for a modern career footballer at least.
 
ThatOldRedMagic said:
You know, I rather think that some of you guys are so naive as to be deserving of pity. I find it genuinely sad that so many supporters utterly fail to understand that the modern game is very largely played by professionals in every sense - including keeping all their career options open.

For a player to sell his soul to a club, kiss the badge and declare his unwavering, undying loyalty, his absolute refusal to countenance any move away from the club he adores, is not merely very rare, but would be rather silly. This sort of attitude belongs with the fans; it can never be adopted by the players en masse in the context of the modern game. Players are therefore looking out for their own best interests. Some might call them mercenaries. Others still might hurl the abusive term 'whore'. I guess there is some justification for both, but the reality is that as fans we come to love our favourite and best players at our peril, for it must ever remain a case of unrequited love. They cannot reciprocate our love without, at least potentially, compromising their career choices.

So where does this leave the likes of you and your fellow cnut-callers? Well for a start you reveal yourselves as arrogant. Yes, I'm very sorry but you are. You expect each and every player to adhere rigidly to your own code of fidelity and passion for the club. How unrealistic is that?! Second, you reveal yourselves as naive; just because that at United we are lucky enough to have a few of those very rare, totally loyal players, you bitch about the normal ones who never will buy into that mind set. And thirdly you display the conceit to 'demand' that players all fall in with your strictures upon player attitude and conduct, to the extent that you issue your hilarious 'warnings' to players of such quality and stature as Rio Ferdinand, who no doubt quake in their boots on hearing your dire warnings!

Let's for goodness sake keep a sense of proportion here. I'm sure I cannot be the only one to find your attitude to Rio as hilarious as it is objectionable
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Nicely put - and applicable to a lot of fans.
 
The only thing I found as annoying as ronaldo's inability to either say he stays or goes clearly, is that Real don't put in a proper bid.

Fair enough that SAF has said Ronnie's not for sale, but Real should just put their money where their mouth is and put in an official bid, peanuts or sundae.

Then we'd have a chance to officially say no, and it'll show ronnie exactly how much madrid want him. At the moment the only "bids" they've made is through the papers....

SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!
 
MadDogg said:
Right from the start his stance hasn't changed. He'd like to go to Real if they make an offer that we can't refuse (knowing that as his contract comes down we won't get quite as much), but he won't do their dirty work for them. He wants a clean transfer with everyone winning.
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ThatOldRedMagic said:
Which actually, in spite of all the adverse comments from many on the Caf, and particularly when allowance is made for translation, context, media hype, spin and total fabrication, is a reasonably honourable stance - for a modern career footballer at least.
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Agreed.

2 extra points:

I don't think he's too worried when he moves to Spain - he'd just like it to be part of his career - those seeing him as desperate to move this year would seem to have the evidence against them.

The signing of his last contract, far from being a c**tish move if he was to entertain the idea of moving during it, was actually very beneficial to Utd, increasing the amount we would obtain for a transfer - as a number of posters pointed out throughout the saga.
 
Skholesy said:
The only thing I found as annoying as ronaldo's inability to either say he stays or goes clearly, is that Real don't put in a proper bid.
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The point is that until RM put in a bid and we considered it, Ronaldo wouldn't know whether he was being sold or not - so what answer was he to give?

'I would be happy playing for either team - if Utd agree terms with RM which give them full value then fine.' Essentially, what he did say.

I still reckon he was initially after some sweetener or another after his fine season though.
 
MadDogg said:
Yup, as far as I was concerned nothing changed this off-season except that it was when Real went into over-drive to try and get him and got him thinking that maybe this was the time. There was never the remotest indication from him that he'd try and force a move or that he wouldn't be happy if he did stay.

Right from the start his stance hasn't changed. He'd like to go to Real if they make an offer that we can't refuse (knowing that as his contract comes down we won't get quite as much), but he won't do their dirty work for them. He wants a clean transfer with everyone winning.
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I agree with most of what you're saying and I'll throw in a few other factors that have made this summer different.

No England at the Euros, the Brit press really had nothing better to do. Marca, AS and Sport have 40+ pages to fill each day - so they never have anything better to do.

We've really got no idea of what's been said between United, Mendes and Ron. The ankle injury tells you how little the press really know. Did Gill close the new contract last March by winkingly telling Mendes that United are a business - so there's always a price, to assure him that Ron wasn't really promising to stay for 5 years. Did Ron try talking to United about a move and get told - we'll talk about it after the CL final.

There's no doubt that Ron's not been his normal self with the Portuguese press etc this summer and has been in a foul mood for some of it. Because of United, because of Madrid, because of Portugal, because of his ankle, because (after the initial elation) he'd ticked another box on his "things to do with United" list and wasn't sure there were enough things left to compare to the excitement of writing another list headed "things to do in Spain" - etc etc - we don't know. And because we don't know - some assume the worst and interpret every (reported) word on that basis - and it's brought out the worst in the press.
 
ThatOldRedMagic said:
Which actually, in spite of all the adverse comments from many on the Caf, and particularly when allowance is made for translation, context, media hype, spin and total fabrication, is a reasonably honourable stance - for a modern career footballer at least.
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What's not honourable is telling the world's media "I'm gonna stay." then later "I stay." before pushing for a move.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I would say it's a certainty he's off next summer.

As I said waaaaaaaaaaay back on about page 10 of this thread, we've basically found ourselves in the same situation that Bayern did with Hargreaves, the season before last.
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I agree with that. A lot of similarities with the Hargreaves situation. Player under contract, wants out, says so repeatedly in the media, Bayern rebuke him and United, tell him to honour his contract, he keeps on expressing his desire to leave through the media.

In fact, I remember an interview with Hargreaves in '06 when he was recovering from his broken leg. He said something along the lines of " I know I signed a contract, but feck it, United want me and I want out". Did'nt see too many people calling him a disgrace for "not honouring a contract he signed" or "not shutting up once the club has refused to sell" etc
 
VoetbalWizard said:
thing is, if he has another season like he just did and we win another double, the fans will still be signing viva ronaldo all season long. and they should.
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dont think so. well I wont be, thats for sure and will ensure that all you turncoats are reminded how this slimeball is pure cnut material next season.
 
RapidRed said:
I agree with that. A lot of similarities with the Hargreaves situation. Player under contract, wants out, says so repeatedly in the media, Bayern rebuke him and United, tell him to honour his contract, he keeps on expressing his desire to leave through the media.

In fact, I remember an interview with Hargreaves in '06 when he was recovering from his broken leg. He said something along the lines of " I know I signed a contract, but feck it, United want me and I want out". Did'nt see too many people calling him a disgrace for "not honouring a contract he signed" or "not shutting up once the club has refused to sell" etc
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You might be right but things can change quickly. real may have other areas to strengthen next year or may again not have the money.

Crazy as it might sound the kid might see sense and settle dwon for a bit at United.
 
RapidRed said:
In fact, I remember an interview with Hargreaves in '06 when he was recovering from his broken leg. He said something along the lines of " I know I signed a contract, but feck it, United want me and I want out". Did'nt see too many people calling him a disgrace for "not honouring a contract he signed" or "not shutting up once the club has refused to sell" etc
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Me neither. But that may be because we don't spend much time on Bayern Munich message boards ;)
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Me neither. But that may be because we don't spend much time on Bayern Munich message boards ;)
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I'm sure Hargo is well loved on there ;)

But some on here are saying that Ronaldo's unwillingness to honour his contract is fundamentally disgraceful and cnutish behaviour. Many players have done that including our very own Hargreaves.

A huge difference with the Hargreaves situation was that he was not one of the best players in the world, and every hack and his dog were not looking to fill the rags with shite about him.
 
I had a dream last night that Ronaldo scored against Newcastle and the entire of Old Trafford went silent for a few seconds. Then it erupted into United! United! United!.

I have now made the decision that I've viewed this thread too much.
 
I had a dream last night where I was asking Jerry Seinfeld why he wasn't in Seinfeld.

fecked up.
 
Skholesy said:
The only thing I found as annoying as ronaldo's inability to either say he stays or goes clearly, is that Real don't put in a proper bid.

Fair enough that SAF has said Ronnie's not for sale, but Real should just put their money where their mouth is and put in an official bid, peanuts or sundae.

Then we'd have a chance to officially say no, and it'll show ronnie exactly how much madrid want him. At the moment the only "bids" they've made is through the papers....

SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!
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I do believe that the absence of a bid speaks volumes in this regard.
 
ThatOldRedMagic said:
Which actually, in spite of all the adverse comments from many on the Caf, and particularly when allowance is made for translation, context, media hype, spin and total fabrication, is a reasonably honourable stance - for a modern career footballer at least.
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Nail meets hammer head. Top post
 
Feedingseagulls said:
Agreed.

2 extra points:

I don't think he's too worried when he moves to Spain - he'd just like it to be part of his career - those seeing him as desperate to move this year would seem to have the evidence against them.

The signing of his last contract, far from being a c**tish move if he was to entertain the idea of moving during it, was actually very beneficial to Utd, increasing the amount we would obtain for a transfer - as a number of posters pointed out throughout the saga.
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Your last point is spot on. As indeed is your first for that matter.
 
Feedingseagulls said:
Agreed.

2 extra points:

I don't think he's too worried when he moves to Spain - he'd just like it to be part of his career - those seeing him as desperate to move this year would seem to have the evidence against them.

The signing of his last contract, far from being a c**tish move if he was to entertain the idea of moving during it, was actually very beneficial to Utd, increasing the amount we would obtain for a transfer - as a number of posters pointed out throughout the saga.
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A point ive been making from the start....he'd be far more of a cnut had he not signed putting pressure on utd to sell or risk losing him for nothing. We are in a win win, if he stays we have the best player in the world...if he goes we command a kings randsom win win.
 
Manchester United chief executive David Gill is adamant that Real Madrid target Cristiano Ronaldo is not for sale.

Real are refusing to give up on their pursuit of the Portuguese star with club president Ramon Calderon determined to lure him to El Santiago Bernabeu.

Ronaldo's future has been dominating the headlines all summer with the player refusing to rule out a move away from Old Trafford.

United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has warned Ronaldo off making a move to Madrid saying it would be a mistake and now Gill says United have told the Spanish titans they have no plans to sell the skilful attacker.

Hands off
"We made it clear to them [Real Madrid] from day one we wouldn't welcome a bid, it wouldn't be accepted and therefore I don't think there is not much point in putting one in," Gill told Sky Sports News.

"That's where we are at with the situation.

"Obviously there has been lots of paper talk and a lot of coverage in the media about it and we understand that.

"But the reality of it is we have been very firm from day one. Straight after the Champions League final, if you wind back the clock to say Cristiano is a great player, a great asset of Manchester United, he is on a long-term contract with Manchester United and hence we will keep him at the club."
 
sammsky1 said:
dont think so. well I wont be thats for sure and will ensure that all you turncoats are reminded how this slimeball is pure cnut materail next season.
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I refer you to my recent post concerning the modern career football player.

By all means continue to cast yourself in the role of peevish, bitter, naive and generally foul misanthrope, but your narrow, no, your closed-minded approach merely serves to underline the false expectations of you and your kind, and increases the contempt which you deserve from those of us who like to think we have maintained a more reasonable and enlightened approach throughout this protracted saga.

Oh, and I fail to see how those who have all along kept to this steady line can be desribed as turncoats, especially in light of recent reports which seem to confirm that our stance was pitched about right all along. If anything it is you who will merely be adding 'turncoat' to an already long list of unpleasant words which, sad to say, describe you and your kind.
 
kietotheworld said:
What's not honourable is telling the world's media "I'm gonna stay." then later "I stay." before pushing for a move.
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In life as in business it is as well to understand that allowances have to be made for such things. It's not always easy.

But yes, you have a point. It's scarcely a hanging offence though is it?
 
RedRichio said:
Real are refusing to give up on their pursuit of the Portuguese star with club president Ramon Calderon determined to lure him to El Santiago Bernabeu.
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What are they talking about? There's nothing to give up! He's made no bid and there's no transfer request. What, exactly, are they refusing to give up? Talking about it? We've had 6 weeks of that and no action. More bleedin' garbage quoted as gospel!
 
17475 posts over 437 pages, and there hasn't even been a bid.

Maybe it's all just a massive demonstration of the power of the media...
 
lynchie said:
17475 posts over 437 pages, and there hasn't even been a bid.

Maybe it's all just a massive demonstration of the power of the media...
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Or the power of muppets on the caf.

Hands up - me included.

Does demonstrate how much we care about our club and how much we recognise ronaldo brings to the team, to spend ours and ours spewing our thoughts on an internet forum at every new sign of news.
 
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