Right, I think I am beginning to get you here Weaste, what you are saying is that you are basing your arguement on Ronaldo's body language or something other, rather than actual spoken words from Ronaldo himself?
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You'll look like a tosser as well.
Why wait for the transfer window to close Weastie, you're looking like a total turd right now.I'm not the one going to look like a total turd when the transfer window has closed and he's banging the goals in again and people come fishing for retarded comments.
It's irrelevant whether he's banging in goals or not. We're here discussing what he's going to do. Some of us think he's a cnut, some want him gone now and others will cheer him on even if wears a Madrid shirt under his United shirt. No one's going to look like a turd because of this thread, except you of course.
Eh? You must have just read a different pile of shite to the one I just did then
United quite rightly refuse to give him a pay increase. We just gave him a hefty one a year ago. Should United demand we pay him £30grand less if he has a crap season? You get a pay increase if you commit yourself long term to the club. Ronaldo has shown the commitment means feck all to him this summer
Regarding the Blatter remarks he associated himself with, you defend him spuriously on the grounds that 1) he was probably tricked and 2) he's incredibly stupid because he wasn't educated properly as a youngster. Its a classic example of denial, you don't want to believe he said it, so you're making up pretty feeble excuses for him. He did say those words, he did agree with Blatter, and the comments were never retracted at a later date. Its clear you think he loves United, wants to stay here, and you think its an injustice he's not being paid gazzilion pounds a week. All of that is bullshit
Oh, and Beckham didn't want to go anywhere. The lad is United through and through. From the point where United decide they want to sell, its up to them to negotiate the best price with the buying club. Their failure to do so is not Beckham 'fecking us over'
It's United first and foremost for me mate. It's 'CR7' first and foremost for you
nah, more like it's England first and foremost for you, then it's hating CR7, and then United.
If anyone can't see he wants a move from his silence or spoken words are deluded. It's a simple case of SAF being a dominant force he's still at United.
There is nothing to discuss. If he gets his pay rise, he will stay no matter who wants him. If he doesn't, then he'll sulk and will have to be sold. That's the basic blind truth here, and all there is about it.
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This is getting tediously boring now. Fergie has offered him an olive branch, and the daft twat is just trying to reopen the damn thing all over again
Key points for Ronaldo to understand:
1) This is not a normal situation. It's a situation he's engineered for his own selfish purposes
2) He isn't on the market
3) "I just want to be happy, wherever I play". Well you're fecking playing at Old Trafford next season mate, isn't it about time you accepted that fact, cos we aint selling you, no matter how much of a cnut you act
4) "What do you want me to say?? That I'm staying? That I'm leaving?". That would have been nice Cristiano, yes. Especially now Fergie has told you and the world that you are
This is a calling card to Madrid, a come and get me. If this has been filmed after Fergies comments yesterday, he's gunna be absolutely fecking furious. With no one putting up the serious money to come and get this chump, there is no alternative but to hold him to his contract for now. But I hope behind the scenes, Fergie is reading the riot act or performing some such retaliation
He certainly should but have you seen the way the Portugese treat Ronaldo? He is a God there, like royalty, and they are completely subservient. There is no way they would rock the boat and ask a question he might not want to hear, let alone answer.
I'm born and raised United mate, your jibe has missed the spot entirely. I'm disgusted with Ronaldo because of the way he's treating my club. If you're not disgusted, perhaps you should be questioning your own loyalties and not mine?
All trying to bring some sanity to it, and still less than half of your whining.
Spot on. Dont forget that Calderon has not given up yet.
Sanity?
Trying?
This is a website where half its userbase now thinks that Roy Keane is a cnut yet Cantona is some type of god. Go fecking figure.
Where are you getting this information from Weaste?
Opinion is the same almost everywhere, the fan base is tired of all this as a majority whole, not just on here, maybe living in Spain is your real problem here Weaste, cut off from your brethren and true fan feeling on this subject.
Edit: Saying that, it hasn't seemed to affect Bahama in the same way.
Body language is what I can gather, much more substantial than our video quotes and such like.
What are we all thinking?
Cant wait to see the reaction the stretford end will give him next season.
You are all going to look very very silly.
I'm going to quote the feck out of you.
I honestly cannot conceive how anyone still thinks this is an attempt to wangle a new contract. Yes, if he is offered lots more money and has no prospect of getting his "dream", then yeah, he'll 'settle' for that. But that will only be a nice little by-product of his main aim, to engineer a move to real Madrid. For the believers out there, there are two very straight-forward reasons he won't simply say "I want to go to Madrid".
1. He can't risk alienating the club/fan base etc if he doesn't get his way.
2. All players have loyalty based incentives in their contracts. By stating expressly that you want to leave, you make those clauses voidable at the instance of the club, and you aren't entitled to any money. He's no fool. He wants to leave and get a pay off from both sides.
1. He can't risk alienating the club/fan base etc if he doesn't get his way.
2. All players have loyalty based incentives in their contracts. By stating expressly that you want to leave, you make those clauses voidable at the instance of the club, and you aren't entitled to any money. He's no fool. He wants to leave and get a pay off from both sides.
er, you're the one who keeps playing this 'Top Red' born and raised United bullshit and disrespect others' views based on this by questioning their loyalties. Ronaldo's behaviour hasn't been good towards us, but he's done a hell of a lot for us and there's been a lot of bullshit printed and spouted by the media. You however have been carrying out your own personal vendetta against Ronaldo, and I'm not the only person to have observed that in this thread.
Considering you just started a thread in the General entitled....
"The every bloke wear their missus' lingerie and sing a Whitney Huston song thread...
... video it and post here.
I'm going to do "Where do broken hearts go" in pink (if she hasn't taken them all on holiday)."
......I highly doubt it will be because of you!
Quote what you like Weaste, you won't be reading me saying anything other than I already have, he's a cnut, simple as.
He's shown absoluely no regard for the poor bastards that have supported him so verhermently over the past few seasons, think of all the young kids who have idolised him like we have players like Robson et al, it's them who I feel sorry for.
He's out for himself, and personally I require more from a United player, you all should ffs.
Thanks for the translation. Ron talks too fast for me so I would have had to wait for a Spanish transcript! But I'll admit I was confused by the final segment so I did go looking for a Spanish transcript anyway:
http://www.defensacentral.com/noticias/ampliar/14944/solo-lo-sabe-dios
The last question again then:
- But do you use it (the press) to gauge how it'll be if you return to Manchester and if you can earn back the affection of those who think that you're betraying them?
Forty questions on Manchester and Real Madrid! What do you want me to tell you, that I'm staying, that I'm leaving? I don't know the future, only God knows, I can not tell you anything else.
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I wanted the reporter to ask him again - I wanted to see whether Ron was going to lapse into English or Portuguese on the swear words.
He doesn't want to leave, he wants an improved contract.
I'll now leave this thread for another week.
It has to be a factor, I'm around this shit all day every day, it's unavoidable to not feel this way imo.
If that's the case, Weaste, and I'm inclined to disagree, he's playing a very very risky game.
Nah, he's gone too far for too long to dismiss it as mere posturing for more cash.
He may get more cash, but he wants out alright.
He may get more cash, but he wants out alright.
OK - Personally, I'd rather not have seen these quotes from David Gill. Too much gloating, not enough letting the heat out of the situation. Anyway - maybe Gill feels the fans want to hear it, so here you are:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...gh-stance-means-pay-rise-compromise-deal.html
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Ronaldo is put in his place by Fergie - tough stance means no pay rise or compromise deal
By Bob Cass Last updated at 9:02 PM on 19th July 2008
Cristiano Ronaldo will return to Manchester United with no new contract and no compromise deal allowing him to leave in the near future in return for his loyalty now.
United chief executive David Gill yesterday revealed the total success of the club's uncompromising stance over the Portuguese star - and of manager Sir Alex Ferguson's own brand of hardball diplomacy. Asked whether Ronaldo, the subject of three months of speculation over his future, had been promised a departure from Old Trafford as a condition of his remaining at United for another season, Gill's reply was a terse: 'No'.
'One of the benefits of being a privately owned club is we can do what we've done,' he said. 'I think if we were a plc, quoted on the Stock Exchange, we'd have to think about a whole group of shareholders, City institutions, and if the numbers bandied around for the player were true we'd have to think seriously about any substantial transfer bid. But we have owners who recognise that money in the bank is not going to help bring success on the pitch - and success on the pitch drives their business model.'
After a no-holds-barred confrontation between Ronaldo and Ferguson in Lisbon last week, the player has been told he must honour the five-year, £120,000-aweek agreement he signed last year. Ferguson was so incensed by Ronaldo's comments about slavery that he cancelled a planned meeting with the player and his agent Jorge Mendes on Saturday.
Mendes then spent most of Sunday pleading with the United boss, who relented and met them in the Portuguese capital on Monday. It was the only time Ferguson entered the controversy and it proved decisive, as Gill revealed.
'Ronaldo has got a contract that lasts until 2012, he's a valuable member of the team and that's the situation,' said Gill. 'Obviously there are some issues there, but that's for Alex and it's why Alex had the meeting with the player; to discuss things and put our point of view. I'm sure Cristiano put his point of view and hopefully we can move forward. But without doubt, there could have been clarity earlier on, shall we say.
'All we were doing, effectively, is saying we clearly have a player who is one of the best players in the world. He entered into a new contract, which is his third contract with us and was only signed 15 to 18 months after his previous contract. He did this freely of his own will in April 2007.
'It was a long-term contract and with that, we believe, go some responsibilities and obligations. 'There was an increased salary within it and we clearly feel there has to be some commitment and loyalty and he can't just say "I've entered into it, but I'll leave a year down the line". It's a two-way street and contracts are entered into with a view to getting that kind of commitment.'
Gill was unequivocal about reports that Ronaldo would be offered an improved deal. 'There will be no new contract,' he said. 'He only entered into the previous contract 18 months before and in terms of where he's at in our wage hierarchy, he's doing pretty well.
'It was suggested that Ronaldo's aim was a new deal, but I don't think it was necessarily that and if the figures bandied about that Real Madrid are talking about are true, we wouldn't go anywhere near that. That would be lunacy.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...gh-stance-means-pay-rise-compromise-deal.html
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Ronaldo is put in his place by Fergie - tough stance means no pay rise or compromise deal
By Bob Cass Last updated at 9:02 PM on 19th July 2008
Cristiano Ronaldo will return to Manchester United with no new contract and no compromise deal allowing him to leave in the near future in return for his loyalty now.
United chief executive David Gill yesterday revealed the total success of the club's uncompromising stance over the Portuguese star - and of manager Sir Alex Ferguson's own brand of hardball diplomacy. Asked whether Ronaldo, the subject of three months of speculation over his future, had been promised a departure from Old Trafford as a condition of his remaining at United for another season, Gill's reply was a terse: 'No'.
'One of the benefits of being a privately owned club is we can do what we've done,' he said. 'I think if we were a plc, quoted on the Stock Exchange, we'd have to think about a whole group of shareholders, City institutions, and if the numbers bandied around for the player were true we'd have to think seriously about any substantial transfer bid. But we have owners who recognise that money in the bank is not going to help bring success on the pitch - and success on the pitch drives their business model.'
After a no-holds-barred confrontation between Ronaldo and Ferguson in Lisbon last week, the player has been told he must honour the five-year, £120,000-aweek agreement he signed last year. Ferguson was so incensed by Ronaldo's comments about slavery that he cancelled a planned meeting with the player and his agent Jorge Mendes on Saturday.
Mendes then spent most of Sunday pleading with the United boss, who relented and met them in the Portuguese capital on Monday. It was the only time Ferguson entered the controversy and it proved decisive, as Gill revealed.
'Ronaldo has got a contract that lasts until 2012, he's a valuable member of the team and that's the situation,' said Gill. 'Obviously there are some issues there, but that's for Alex and it's why Alex had the meeting with the player; to discuss things and put our point of view. I'm sure Cristiano put his point of view and hopefully we can move forward. But without doubt, there could have been clarity earlier on, shall we say.
'All we were doing, effectively, is saying we clearly have a player who is one of the best players in the world. He entered into a new contract, which is his third contract with us and was only signed 15 to 18 months after his previous contract. He did this freely of his own will in April 2007.
'It was a long-term contract and with that, we believe, go some responsibilities and obligations. 'There was an increased salary within it and we clearly feel there has to be some commitment and loyalty and he can't just say "I've entered into it, but I'll leave a year down the line". It's a two-way street and contracts are entered into with a view to getting that kind of commitment.'
Gill was unequivocal about reports that Ronaldo would be offered an improved deal. 'There will be no new contract,' he said. 'He only entered into the previous contract 18 months before and in terms of where he's at in our wage hierarchy, he's doing pretty well.
'It was suggested that Ronaldo's aim was a new deal, but I don't think it was necessarily that and if the figures bandied about that Real Madrid are talking about are true, we wouldn't go anywhere near that. That would be lunacy.'
Spot on from Gill IMHO.
Course he does. He's still following the plan and partying every night in LA. Last night he was at Mr Chows.
Fair enough is that from Gill.
I like how we've played this as a club.
I like how we've played this as a club.
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