Ronaldo would tell the press clearly that he wants to stay with us if that was the truth. But since he never does this, he clearly wants the press to keep the never ending story about him joining real madrid. I see this as a clear message from him to us that he wants to join real madrid. And Brad, you are spot on mate, Ronaldo should not be allowed to act like he does.
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love the passion brad.
that boy ronaldo really is an egotistical cnut that only thinks of himself and thinks he is above everything.
Part of me wants his talent at our club, but part of me thinks we have more pride and honor as a footballing side to let a cnut make a mockery of us like this. ahhh feck this cnut doesnt know whats good for him
How can he look any of the boys in the eye after these events, probably quite easily actually coz he doesnt give a feck about anyone but himself so i shouldnt think its a problem
Pretending its all an anti-Ronaldo agenda from England supporters is deeply flawed mate. Mainly cos its all a pile of bollocks
He'd always wanted to play in Spain about a year and a half ago, when he signed a new 5 year contract to stay in Manchester. It would seem he couldn't handle the fact himself eh?
You've missed the point again, which is what I'm personally finding a lot with the people defending him in this way. It's not about wanting to leave or wanting to stay. Yes of course, as United fans, we're gunna be a bit bitter about a player wanting to leave for another club. That's the nature of the football fan. But the key difference here is the WAY the player goes about it, and the vast majority of United supporters think he's been an absolute disgrace
I think the recent Barry example is the best case of this. For a while, he did things the right way round, he said the right things. I think if the Scouse had paid the asking price and acted properly themselves at that point, the Villa fans would have seen him off with a degree of blessing. The committment he'd given them for so long, and that he was moving for Champions League football. Then things changed, and he started acting in a similar (although less subtle) manner to Ronaldo. Now he's burnt his bridges, and the Villa support think he's a mercenary cnut. He won't be welcomed back at Villa Park
At the cost of sounding like a broken record, I think that Ronaldo's stance in all his recent interviews is no different than it has been for the past few seasons. Most of the hysteria has been caused by the intense media hype about it this summer. Nothing dramatic has unfolded over the summer as the press would have us believe.
For me Ronaldo is what he was, one of the best players in the world, but clearly never a loyal red for life or anything close to that. In that sense he'll never be as special for me as a Giggs or a Scholes. If people want to hate the shit out of him for that, fair enough, but then thats how he has always been. So why turn on him now?
When he goes, we will lose an important player of a very special team. So it will be disappointing, but we will just move on and produce the next best player in the world.
For me Ronaldo is what he was, one of the best players in the world, but clearly never a loyal red for life or anything close to that. In that sense he'll never be as special for me as a Giggs or a Scholes. If people want to hate the shit out of him for that, fair enough, but then thats how he has always been. So why turn on him now?
When he goes, we will lose an important player of a very special team. So it will be disappointing, but we will just move on and produce the next best player in the world.
Real can compensate him that by upping his sign on fees if he managed to force a sale like Beckham, by driving down his price tag.
Once United decide that he must be sold it doesn't matter if Barca offer more for example if he insist he would only sign for Real.
spot on matey, this cnut is the best footballer in the world, but the biggest cnut in football, which makes this all so hard, i dont go to old trafford very many times in a season but when i do ill be interested to hear the response he gets coz i know ill find it hard to cheer for him, and i bet there are a few that wont take kindly at all to his behavior and im sure there will be boos for a while, unless he makes an apology which is about as likely as steve McClaren becoming united manager.
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That's a fair point and why I think Ronnie could've handled the situation better. But you'd been happy if he'd handed in a transfer request right away instead since that's the right way to go about wanting to move to his dream club a la RVN?
eh, if we're winning things and he's hitting 20+ goals, OT will be cheering. its the fickle nature of football supporters.
Brad, I'm also disgusted by his behavior as I believe every United fan should be.
The thing is we are not absolutely certain what his intentions are. He may be looking to leave or he may be after a new contract. Until we know for sure, the best thing is to follow SAF's lead. Like I said in an earlier post, as long as SAF will have him, we shouldn't jump to any conclusion and turn on Ronaldo.
You don't have to love the guy, just support him when he's still playing in our shirt. That's all.
ill cheer i suppose, but i wont be cheering for him, ill be cheering for us scoring, and actually i didnt before get pleasure out of him scoring, where as when rooney does, i love it
Of course they we will be cheering, that's what you do, BUT, he won't be getting any special treatement, no more Viva Ronaldo all game every game, he's blown it in that regard.
I'm going back to talking bollocks about PS3.
I wouldn't be happy, I don't want to lose a player as good as him. But I certainly would have a very different outlook towards the lad than I do now. Fact is a transfer request would have been turned down flatly, so it wouldn't have made a difference anyway. If he wanted to persue his supposed dream of playing in Spain, he only has himself to blame for signing consecutive contracts with a Manchester club
This problem is and always has been about his attitude and arrogance displayed through his conduct this summer
I support all our players, but Ronaldo will have to say something to the press, if not I would rather see him sold to madrid.
Fair point
he said in june 06 that he wanted to complete his dream move to spain. a EC cup , 2 league titles and a 'viva ronaldo' later, he's still playing for us.
I dont think anyone will not supported him if has expected he stays with us for this year. He is a very important player for us, great infact. On the other hand you can't really expect people not to be disapointed right now on how he's gone about all this. Hopefully it can settle down now and we can get on with our preparations for the new season, getting behind the players including Ronaldo.
Maybe he will be sold or get a fatter contract still. If he get a new contract expect the "I never wanted to leave etc, I've always said I stay, I'm at the biggest/best club etc"
Again, the point is missed. Lets say he's only pushing for a new contract, even though its blatantly obvious he isn't. So that justifies his actions and conduct this summer then?
The thing is VII, we do know what his intentions are. You don't liken your current employers to slavemasters if you're not pushing to leave that club. That's apart from his previous behaviour which indicated a similar intention
I hate that supporters are put in this kind of a situation by a player who in all likelyhood will be playing for us still next season. Look at the division he's caused on here for a start. Now I'll always support United, Edwards didn't stop that, the Glazers didn't stop it. A player at the club won't stop it either. But any personal support for him is out of the window. If I hear Viva Ronaldo, I'll be disgusted with the fans that utter it. Because I don't believe they have the club at heart. It's all about success and glory to them
So you'd rather he handed in a transfer request like RVN than staying ambiguous like he has. I think more people would've really been upset if he did in fact hand in a transfer request and they would've viewed it as a more ungrateful gesture than staying ambiguous and possibly looking for a higher wage.
To be honest if he had come out and said he wanted to leave and that he felt he had done all he can here. I would have held my hands up and said he can go with at least my blessing. His ambiguity has lead to me to think he is acting like a cnut.
The reaction of the majority of the United support to what he has done instead indicates otherwise
It would have been daft to hand in a transfer request, because it wouldn't have achieved anything anyway. If he wasn't happy staying here for 5 years, he shouldn't have signed a contract for that length, thats what it boils down too. Claims of 'dreams' sound like bollocks when he's made a decision like that. He wasn't going to be allowed to leave this summer, so he should have acted in a manner that didn't burn his bridges. Perhaps his ambiguity was designed to do just that, but the majority of this clubs supporters can't be fooled, and haven't been
The boy is a great player, I only wish he would respect us. For me he would only get respect if he talked to the press without a new contract.
I can understand your frustrations but believeing people who support every single one of our players when they are one that pitch don't have the clubs at heart is clearly wrong. Every player deserves support first and foremost because if we start singling players out for negative treatment it will effect the spirit of the team on the pitch. People right now should be upset with how Ronaldo has behaved this summer but if and more probably when he gets back on the pitch playing for us we should be behind him.
CRISTIANO RONALDO will not get a penny more out of Manchester United in return for staying at the club, David Gill, United’s chief executive, has said. Sources close to Ronaldo had suggested he could be persuaded to abandon thoughts of a transfer to Real Madrid if United improved his £120,000-a-week contract, but no such compromise will be proposed. Gill labelled as “lunacy” the figure of £170,000 a week that Real Madrid are reported to be willing to pay the player. Gill is calling on Ronaldo to show some commitment and loyalty" by honouring the five-year deal he signed in 2007.
In a briefing in Cape Town, where United arrived on Friday to start a 10-day tour of South Africa and Nigeria, Gill was emphatic when asked whether Ronaldo would be offered a new contract. No,” he said. “He only entered into the previous contract 18 months before and in terms of where he’s at in our wage hierarchy he’s doing pretty well.” Regarding suggestions Ronaldo’s flirtation with Real is partly to get a higher salary from United, Gill said: “Possibly, but not necessarily, and if the figures bandied around that Real Madrid are talking about are true, we wouldn’t go anywhere near that. That would be lunacy.”
Gill revealed he is being encouraged to stand firm on Ronaldo by the Glazer family, who own United, but said Sir Alex Ferguson is “the key determiner of our stance”. Ferguson, having flown to Portugal to hold talks with Ronaldo, told a press conference in Cape Town that “he’ll be a Manchester United player next season. He won’t be sold”. Gill said: “The player is under contract so the strength and the rights are with Manchester United. I think we’ve been pretty clear all along that Ronaldo has got a contract until 2012, he’s a valuable member of the team and that’s the situation. Obviously there’s some issues there, but that’s for Alex and is why Alex had the meeting, to discuss things and put our point of view. I’m sure Cristiano put his point of view and hopefully we can move forward.
“All we were doing, effectively, is saying we clearly have a player who is one of the best in the world. He entered into a new contract, his third with us, only 18 months after his previous one. With that, we believe, go some responsibilities and obligations. There was an increased salary and we clearly feel there has to be some commitment and loyalty and he can’t just say, ‘I’ve entered into it, but I’ll leave a year down the line’, especially after the season we’ve just had. It’s a two-way street and contracts are entered into with a view to getting that kind of commitment.”
Gill said Ronaldo, on an extended holiday while recovering from an ankle operation, would be welcomed back, even though his public statements about wanting to move to Real have angered many United fans: “Alex feels comfortable that Ronaldo will come back and feel integrated very quickly and win over the fans. If he starts scoring goals then people will forget.”
Rio Ferdinand echoed his chief executive: “There’ll be no problems with the players accepting Ronaldo. Cristiano himself is a fantastic lad, a great guy, someone who gets on with everyone in the squad. He never has any problems with anyone in the squad and I’m sure that will be the same when he comes back.”
Ferdinand revealed he has been in close contact with Ronaldo: “I’ve spoken to him on the phone and there have been texts. He’s in good spirits. The conversations will remain private but I want him to stay. I'm just the same as any United fan - Cristiano scored 42 goals for us last season.
“For most players it’s flattering when someone else wants you and are prepared to go to great lengths to get you. But he’s not a silly boy and he understands he’s signed for Man United and until Man United deem it’s time for him to go he will remain a Man United player. At the end of the day it’s simple. It’s down to the club.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article4364074.ece
In a briefing in Cape Town, where United arrived on Friday to start a 10-day tour of South Africa and Nigeria, Gill was emphatic when asked whether Ronaldo would be offered a new contract. No,” he said. “He only entered into the previous contract 18 months before and in terms of where he’s at in our wage hierarchy he’s doing pretty well.” Regarding suggestions Ronaldo’s flirtation with Real is partly to get a higher salary from United, Gill said: “Possibly, but not necessarily, and if the figures bandied around that Real Madrid are talking about are true, we wouldn’t go anywhere near that. That would be lunacy.”
Gill revealed he is being encouraged to stand firm on Ronaldo by the Glazer family, who own United, but said Sir Alex Ferguson is “the key determiner of our stance”. Ferguson, having flown to Portugal to hold talks with Ronaldo, told a press conference in Cape Town that “he’ll be a Manchester United player next season. He won’t be sold”. Gill said: “The player is under contract so the strength and the rights are with Manchester United. I think we’ve been pretty clear all along that Ronaldo has got a contract until 2012, he’s a valuable member of the team and that’s the situation. Obviously there’s some issues there, but that’s for Alex and is why Alex had the meeting, to discuss things and put our point of view. I’m sure Cristiano put his point of view and hopefully we can move forward.
“All we were doing, effectively, is saying we clearly have a player who is one of the best in the world. He entered into a new contract, his third with us, only 18 months after his previous one. With that, we believe, go some responsibilities and obligations. There was an increased salary and we clearly feel there has to be some commitment and loyalty and he can’t just say, ‘I’ve entered into it, but I’ll leave a year down the line’, especially after the season we’ve just had. It’s a two-way street and contracts are entered into with a view to getting that kind of commitment.”
Gill said Ronaldo, on an extended holiday while recovering from an ankle operation, would be welcomed back, even though his public statements about wanting to move to Real have angered many United fans: “Alex feels comfortable that Ronaldo will come back and feel integrated very quickly and win over the fans. If he starts scoring goals then people will forget.”
Rio Ferdinand echoed his chief executive: “There’ll be no problems with the players accepting Ronaldo. Cristiano himself is a fantastic lad, a great guy, someone who gets on with everyone in the squad. He never has any problems with anyone in the squad and I’m sure that will be the same when he comes back.”
Ferdinand revealed he has been in close contact with Ronaldo: “I’ve spoken to him on the phone and there have been texts. He’s in good spirits. The conversations will remain private but I want him to stay. I'm just the same as any United fan - Cristiano scored 42 goals for us last season.
“For most players it’s flattering when someone else wants you and are prepared to go to great lengths to get you. But he’s not a silly boy and he understands he’s signed for Man United and until Man United deem it’s time for him to go he will remain a Man United player. At the end of the day it’s simple. It’s down to the club.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article4364074.ece
Now I do agree with this and thats what I was saying earlier when someone was comparing Keane and even Wes Brown last year to Ronaldo even when both only had less than a year when they asked for more money or else. Ronaldo only signed last year we have upped his pay and delievered with his help of course domestic and european success. So really his dream should not come into it Utd have fufilled on there bit of the contract and Ronaldo should do the same as his dream must have been the same last year when he took more money for five more years on his contract.
The song should have been Viva Rooney, he loves United and deserves more praise
I was a red before Ron arrived; I'll be a red after he goes - I've never had a choice about it.
I didn't have a choice with Ron either. I smiled at the haircut when he arrived, but I laughed when I saw him torment Bolton on his debut. I remember turning to my brother and saying, "Fergie's landed on his feet again." There aren't many players who've made me laugh (in a good way) or think, "what did he just do?" and none of them have done it as often as Ron - he made me feel like a kid again (a kid who loved George Best)
And the fact is that if he comes back, as soon as the opposition fans get on his case or Alan Green makes one too many jibes, or some City player leaves studmarks on his ribs, I'll be on Ron's side. It's not a matter of, "only God knows" for me - or even something dependent on the number of goals he scores or metres of ground he covers - it'll just happen, I know myself that well.
So if I hear Viva Ronaldo I won't be disgusted, I'll be surprised (who knows, I may even be relieved) but I won't assume it's because the singers don't care about United.
I didn't have a choice with Ron either. I smiled at the haircut when he arrived, but I laughed when I saw him torment Bolton on his debut. I remember turning to my brother and saying, "Fergie's landed on his feet again." There aren't many players who've made me laugh (in a good way) or think, "what did he just do?" and none of them have done it as often as Ron - he made me feel like a kid again (a kid who loved George Best)
And the fact is that if he comes back, as soon as the opposition fans get on his case or Alan Green makes one too many jibes, or some City player leaves studmarks on his ribs, I'll be on Ron's side. It's not a matter of, "only God knows" for me - or even something dependent on the number of goals he scores or metres of ground he covers - it'll just happen, I know myself that well.
So if I hear Viva Ronaldo I won't be disgusted, I'll be surprised (who knows, I may even be relieved) but I won't assume it's because the singers don't care about United.
So we are all expected to sweep this under the carpet and carry on as if nothing has happened this summer?
I'm sorry, I have to be a bit more honest with myself than that, and not singing his songs will be my protest at him and his attitude to our club and the disrespect he has shown the fans, this will in no way affect the rest of the team as we will be cheering for them as a whole the same way (if not more so) as we always have.
I don't agree he deserves any support whatsoever
The only reason he'll be getting any from my direction is because of the shirt he's wearing next season. I don't have to chant his name or sing songs about him, and he has himself to blame. I will focus my times and efforts elsewhere on other players who haven't behaved like he has
Another great post Jo.
This whole Ronaldo saga reminds me of a Monty Python sketch.
Ronaldo: I want to leave. I am willing to go if Real will pay me what they claim. I am calm. Only God knows.
SAF: But Cristiano, you can't go.
R: Why, what have you and this club ever done for me?
SAF: We plucked you from relative obscurity and brought you to one of the biggest sporting institutions in the world.
R: Ok. That's one thing.
SAF: We paid you lots of money, we made you and your family comfortable for life. We stuck with you even when you were inconsistent. We helped you become the best footballer in the world. We increased your wages. Twice. We supported you when your father died. We laid on the best of treatment, even when you behaved poorly. We still want you in our team, despite your behaviour, because we value you so much.
R: Ok, ok, ok. Apart from all of those things, what have you and this club ever done for me.
Ronaldo: I want to leave. I am willing to go if Real will pay me what they claim. I am calm. Only God knows.
SAF: But Cristiano, you can't go.
R: Why, what have you and this club ever done for me?
SAF: We plucked you from relative obscurity and brought you to one of the biggest sporting institutions in the world.
R: Ok. That's one thing.
SAF: We paid you lots of money, we made you and your family comfortable for life. We stuck with you even when you were inconsistent. We helped you become the best footballer in the world. We increased your wages. Twice. We supported you when your father died. We laid on the best of treatment, even when you behaved poorly. We still want you in our team, despite your behaviour, because we value you so much.
R: Ok, ok, ok. Apart from all of those things, what have you and this club ever done for me.
Great post, actually made me happy thinking about Ronaldo. I guess the best thing to do is to see what happens.
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Eh? You must have just read a different pile of shite to the one I just did then
United quite rightly refuse to give him a pay increase. We just gave him a hefty one a year ago. Should United demand we pay him £30grand less if he has a crap season? You get a pay increase if you commit yourself long term to the club. Ronaldo has shown the commitment means feck all to him this summer
Regarding the Blatter remarks he associated himself with, you defend him spuriously on the grounds that 1) he was probably tricked and 2) he's incredibly stupid because he wasn't educated properly as a youngster. Its a classic example of denial, you don't want to believe he said it, so you're making up pretty feeble excuses for him. He did say those words, he did agree with Blatter, and the comments were never retracted at a later date. Its clear you think he loves United, wants to stay here, and you think its an injustice he's not being paid gazzilion pounds a week. All of that is bullshit
Oh, and Beckham didn't want to go anywhere. The lad is United through and through. From the point where United decide they want to sell, its up to them to negotiate the best price with the buying club. Their failure to do so is not Beckham 'fecking us over'
It's United first and foremost for me mate. It's 'CR7' first and foremost for you
Can't believe I'm actually agreing with Brad but here goes, I do. He's right about beckham who didn't want to leave the club but was forced to make a choice between he's obsession with the media and staying at united and when fergie knew he wasn't going to be less of a figure in the media he sold him, becks never asked to leave.
And seriously are we gonna offer every player a pay rise when he gets wind of higher wages elsewhere, anyone who thinks thats sound policy obviously wouldn't last 5 mins running a business of there own. Cristiano is the highest earner currently at OT and willingly signed he's current contract less than a year ago, why the feck should we pay him more?
What sickens me most about the whole circus surrounding he's will he won't he gay soap opera is the fact that amidst all this people seem to have forgotten that we're european champions.
What should have been an idilic summer where we spent time talking about how our club is the envy of Europe has now been spent with back and forth denials, our club making an official complaint to FIFA/UEFA and continous claims by a player under a 4yr contract that he and only he will decide he's future(whatever the feck that means).
The simple fact is Cristiano has had occasions in front of camera where he has chosen to be criptic in a way that clearly demonstrates he's not even man enough to state he's intentions. Shortly after being operated on for he's current injury he was asked in front of the sky sports cameras whether he's current injury will affect any potential move to madrid, he's answer was not to say something diplomatic like "i'm currently only concentrating on getting fit". He's response was simply "no".
We all no matter how much some of you may pretend know that he wants away. SAF only this week said about their meeting he put he's view across and Cristiano put across he's. Which is a statement that exposes the fact that Cristiano is clearly not operating in the interest of the club as a whole, he hasn't done so all summer.
PS: we really did win an European cup this summer, it wasn't your imagination.
The situation now is like I've a girlfriend who is hotter than Megan Fox. She also give the best jacuzzi blowjob in the world. But in the tabloids they're saying Johnny Depp is really interested in her. And she was once quoted as saying he is her dream guy, in 2006 or something.
When interviewed she comes out with statements ranging from "I stay (with VII)" to "VII is the best guy for me" to more recently "No one knows the future", "You all know what I want (without actually saying what it was), we'll see"
She's being a bitch no doubt.
Now, what should I do? Call her a bitch and chase her out of the house?
Or continue enjoying her body, the cock-throbbing-jacuzzi-blowjobs and sex?
When interviewed she comes out with statements ranging from "I stay (with VII)" to "VII is the best guy for me" to more recently "No one knows the future", "You all know what I want (without actually saying what it was), we'll see"
She's being a bitch no doubt.
Now, what should I do? Call her a bitch and chase her out of the house?
Or continue enjoying her body, the cock-throbbing-jacuzzi-blowjobs and sex?
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