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I agree with what you agreed with and also agree with what you said.
This thread is 410 pages long
feck me!
Well firstly, it's an ongoing saga, and secondly, all the posts have been directed to this one thread.
If you look at some of the multi threads, they would probably add up to a similar number of pages.
So it's not that surprising really.
Fred, I think the majority of fans don't accept that United is just a business. As far as the boardroom goes, then it's a business, but for the fan, it should be a sport. Idealism is still hanging in there, clinging by its fingertips.
We still want players who are fans of the club, or who can become lifelong fans of the club. We still want players whose dream it is to play for United, and who would play for a fraction of the money they are likely to be offered.
I don't have a problem with Ronaldo wanting to play for RM if it's because they were his boyhood heroes. I do have a problem with him not having the balls to come out and say what he wants - and with lying to the supporters as he may have done on the night of the CL final. "I stay."
And football can't be called a business in the usual sense. Employers don't normally pay out millions to get an employee for starters - but if they did, then they would be entitled to act in exactly the same way as football clubs - in this case United - would.
If Ronaldo had two years left on his contract, then it would be fair to wish him well and let him go - but four years? Come on, that's just taking the piss. If he is allowed to go, then we might as well do away with contracts altogether - see if Mr Blatter approves of the chaos that would create.
Some Spanish sources claim Ferguson has told Jorge Mendes, the winger's agent, that there is no way back for the Portugal star at Old Trafford. However, he will not be allowed to join Real under any circumstances as the stubborn Scot stands firm. As no other club could conceivably sign him, bar Barcelona, as Ferguson would not sell to an English rival either surely, everything is up in the air.
now i get it ... it was all barcelona' masterplan ..
poor real were victimized
now they will have ronaldo and messi in the same team
now i get it ... it was all barcelona' masterplan ..
poor real were victimized
now they will have ronaldo and messi in the same team
Sunderland manager Roy Keane has supported Cristiano Ronaldo's fight to leave Manchester United by saying clubs are just as disloyal as the players.
The Irishman is still hurt at the way he was forced out of Old Trafford after sterling service for The Red Devils when a controversial unbroadcast MUTV interview saw him openly criticise his team-mates individually and signal the beginning of the end of his United career.
Although he is strongly fancied to return to Manchester one day to manage the European champions, Keane has clearly not forgotten the way in which he was swiftly ushered out of the club.
Despite not referring specifically to his former team-mate, Keane did state that his advice to players is to look after themselves.
"I think it's always been the case if players fancy leaving and make it hard for a manager and their attitude isn't up to scratch, then you sell them," he declared.
"Having said that, in defence of players, when a club is finished with you, they get rid.
"My advice is look after yourself. If you get a chance for bigger and better things, then go for it.
"I've experienced that myself.
"People question players' loyalty. I question clubs' loyalty.
"It's a business to them. If you're not needed then you can be out of the door in 10 minutes, and I'm speaking from experience.
"It works both ways."
http://sport.setanta.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2008/07/17/Prem-Keane-wades-into-slave-debate/
WTF? didn't expect that from Keano?
The Irishman is still hurt at the way he was forced out of Old Trafford after sterling service for The Red Devils when a controversial unbroadcast MUTV interview saw him openly criticise his team-mates individually and signal the beginning of the end of his United career.
Although he is strongly fancied to return to Manchester one day to manage the European champions, Keane has clearly not forgotten the way in which he was swiftly ushered out of the club.
Despite not referring specifically to his former team-mate, Keane did state that his advice to players is to look after themselves.
"I think it's always been the case if players fancy leaving and make it hard for a manager and their attitude isn't up to scratch, then you sell them," he declared.
"Having said that, in defence of players, when a club is finished with you, they get rid.
"My advice is look after yourself. If you get a chance for bigger and better things, then go for it.
"I've experienced that myself.
"People question players' loyalty. I question clubs' loyalty.
"It's a business to them. If you're not needed then you can be out of the door in 10 minutes, and I'm speaking from experience.
"It works both ways."
http://sport.setanta.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2008/07/17/Prem-Keane-wades-into-slave-debate/
WTF? didn't expect that from Keano?
Keano bears grudges longer than a fecking elephant. Just ask IngeHaaland.
Well feck me. Ronaldo wants to move to the MLS!!!!
He said, when asked about playing in the MLS someday, "Right now, I want to play in Europe, but the future, who knows?" Haven't we learned that that is his code for, "Yes, I do want that"?
In all honesty, if it wasn't for his agreement with Bladder, this comment would make all his previous "the future who knows" and "I can't make any promises" comments seem that much more innocent. But that Bladder agreement is the kicker for me.
The bullshit in the media is rising rapidly at the moment. Even Keano has got involved in it. What he has said does not help our situation at all. He was a great player for the club but as a manager he is a little bit of an arrogant twat too.
I look forward to seeing Ronaldo back at the Carrington training ground in the near future. He better sort his head out and come back with a fresh attitude.
I look forward to seeing Ronaldo back at the Carrington training ground in the near future. He better sort his head out and come back with a fresh attitude.
It does appear that he is in LA for the ESPY awards since he is up for an award. I don't begrudge him going for that, but I'm not so sure about him being out at the clubs.
Depending on the exact nature of the surgery and the doctors' direction, it can actually be good for him to walk on it and move on it. It can strengthen those ligaments. Going on my past experience of a two major knee surgeries and a few severe ankle sprains (non surgical), the doctors would give me direction of "weight bear to tolerance", meaning that it will be painful to put weight on it, but I can put as much weight for which I can tolerate the pain. When there are issues with broken bones, dislocations, etc., I don't think that's the case. But when there is ligament damage, the more walking on it and weight on it the better. However, if he's drinking and then walking around on it, that's different because you won't be walking as carefully and it's easy to mis-step.
Depending on the exact nature of the surgery and the doctors' direction, it can actually be good for him to walk on it and move on it. It can strengthen those ligaments. Going on my past experience of a two major knee surgeries and a few severe ankle sprains (non surgical), the doctors would give me direction of "weight bear to tolerance", meaning that it will be painful to put weight on it, but I can put as much weight for which I can tolerate the pain. When there are issues with broken bones, dislocations, etc., I don't think that's the case. But when there is ligament damage, the more walking on it and weight on it the better. However, if he's drinking and then walking around on it, that's different because you won't be walking as carefully and it's easy to mis-step.
I think someone needs to take him to see a psychic to get his future sorted.
if someone asked him if he was going to take a shit in the next 24 hours it's odds on he would reply "The future, nobody knows"
Keane's been consistent on all aspects of this for years.
When he renegotiated his contract after the treble he said that United's pay policies had stopped United from winning the CL more often and had stopped them recruiting the top European players.
On Ronaldo, earlier this year:
"If I was to sign (Cristiano) Ronaldo tomorrow on £150,000 a week, I don't think our players would be upset. It's none of their business - and the reason he would be getting that is because he's probably the best player in the world."
And on United, we know he wasn't impressed by how fast they pushed him out the door - nor even the way they handled his final payment. It probably reminded him of all the other players he'd seen moved on because the club decided it was the right time for them to go. Of course, the club isn't as ruthless as the fans - just thinking about all the "get rid" threads we've seen over the years and wondering how few players we'd have left - so we don't find the club's actions as anything other than necessity.
I don't understand why Keane came out with that. As a manager I don't think he should have said that... he questions clubs loyalty to players... so how is that going to make his fellow Sunderland players feel?
Keane is still bitter about what happened - and why shouldn't he be? I'm not saying he's right, but he obviously felt passionately about United, and about winning, which is why he came out with the remarks about his team-mates.
He's not completely wrong in what he says either. A club shouldn't be able to just get rid of a player, anymore than a player should just be able to walk out. Anyone who believes that we should keep Ronaldo because of the contract, should also support any player in the future who might be consigned to the transfer scrapheal when he doesn't want to be....especially if there's more than 2 years left on his contract.
He's not completely wrong in what he says either. A club shouldn't be able to just get rid of a player, anymore than a player should just be able to walk out. Anyone who believes that we should keep Ronaldo because of the contract, should also support any player in the future who might be consigned to the transfer scrapheal when he doesn't want to be....especially if there's more than 2 years left on his contract.
Keane the player was a fecking cnut, but he was our cnut.
Keane the manager is just a fecking cnut.
Keane the manager is just a fecking cnut.
That's hypocracy.
A player can sit out his contract if he wishes, the club can't sell him unless the player accepts terms and conditions of a contract at that club. Might mean the player doesn't see much first team football, but they will still get paid amply. Was it Winston Bogarde who did that for Chelsea not long ago? Best thing was, he got paid bonuses because Chelsea were winning things even though he wasn't anywhere near the first team!
And he's well loved at Stamford Bridge because of it! (not the he cares, sat on a beach somewhere wiping his arse with £50 notes).
maybe he's beginning to learn..
"I prefer to play in Europe at the minute, but in the future, who knows?" he continued. its at least a smarter answer than he's issued before
Sod off
how and why??
Indeed...and stupidity
I'm not too surprised when our competitors want our best player to leave tbh.
Roy is spot on. Clubs treat players as merchandise. It's only the very best players who get special treatment, the rest is thrown out like an old rug once their usefulness is gone. I fully understand players who look out for their own interests.
SAF looked relaxed and happy enough as he left for South Africa today.
Meanwhile the Board meeting has now been going on for an hour and a half - - -
Meanwhile the Board meeting has now been going on for an hour and a half - - -
There is no board meeting. Why do people believe things from Marca or AS?! I really don't understand
cnuts, stop bashing Roy Keane.....
It is the 17th. We'll see.
I agree with most of what you say, and it doesnt matter whether I'm an idealist on a synic, but my beef with Ronni is that he has acted very unprofessionally (Real too obviously) throughout this entire saga. This whole thing from start to finish could have been handled much better by both parties, all that has resulted so far has been negativity, angst and lots of bad blood effecting everyone from supporters to footballs highest so called authority, non of the way this has been handled has been good for the game as a whole. Governing bodies seem to not be interested in addressing the issue. Protocol between players and clubs needs to be re-established, agents and those who stand to make money from these kind of deals are getting ever more increasing footholds in the game for the detriment. Governing bodies need to solidify protocal standards with open hearings on alledged breaches of the rules and hefty punishments for violators. Whether you see football as a business or from a more romantic viewpoint, professionalism should be applied in all cases for the sake of the game.... which sadly doesnt seem to be the case often enough
Whats the 17th got to do with anything? That was just a made up date from Marca and AS when they realised their lie of Ronaldo being signed on the 7th was going to be exposed. It will be the 27th next
Keano is fecking spot on as always. Ronaldo should be and will be allowed to leave, but only if Real meets our asking price.
the problem is in how he's conducted himself and I think it's fair for many of us to complain about that - just as a player can complain about how they're treated by their clubs.
He hasn't even said he would like to get out, and that may be precisely the problem. Fans are kept in balance about what he really wants to do with his career and are upset that he's not showing us the respect we have shown to him.
Many of us, myself included, don't particularly care anymore where he plays next season. We will survive without him, just as we did many good players before him. What we care about is his respect for the club. Have the ball to say you want out and ask for a transfer. Or atleast have the decency to say you want to stay and be done with it.
Go either way and keep your head high, but don't stay in the middle and make stupid sly comments about being treated like a slave. That's disrespectful.
now he is no longer ours I can admit that I think he´s a twat
it's one of those things that can't be explained by talking about it. you need to have it done to you.
why should he be allowed to leave?
he is under contract for another four seasons, on lucrative terms. a contract, mind you, he signed only a year ago. he is United's employee. if the business model applies here, then he should either pay out the remainder of his contract, as well as Real Madrid purchasing his registration from us, and then, if all fees are agreed, be moved on. however United are under no obligation to sell simply because he wants out. that's because, legally, he is under contract to us.
how and why??
Think 69
Think 69
DVT was what I immediately thought of when I realised that he wasn't in LA the way he was in Miami, Madrid, or Mumbai over the last month.
But then I'm a paranoid little shit - the real worry would be the needless work, strain, and pressure he's putting on those joints.
The (literal) gimp.
I could take both of 'em.
Practice makes perfect.
well, ok, maybe Saha has one on me...
It's negligent maybe even counter productive.
as for "fecking disgraceful"
well that I don't know, sounds like you're highly emotional.
My opinion on the relative risk of DVT is as follows, he is in excellent physical condition, he doesn't smoke, he's at a a young age and on top of all this, I'm sure he doesn't fly economy.
He was probably on his private jet stretched out, wearing compression socks.
To be fair to you, having just sided in principle with the good doctor, I will say that the "disgraceful" thing is a bit silly especially when justified with some waffle about the club paying his wages.
Rooney was off in Vegas smoking cigarettes within a week or so of playing in a game, and on Saturday against Aberdeen it looked as if he had spent the whole summer keeping Ricky Hatton company while he ate his way up a weight class.
Is that "fecking disgraceful", or the act of a stupid kid? Rooney and Ronaldo are stupid kids making totally different types of stupid mistakes right now.
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