ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation

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GusHiddink said:
Geezus fellas if anyone deserves a rest after the last few years its ronaldo. Has virtually palyed every game.

I am constantly amazed on here by the new depths our "fans" can sink to.
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He's had a long holiday. Now it's time to get back to work. Accountants have to be up to date on the latest practices, architects have to know the latest building codes, footballers have to keep their body as fit as possible. Seeking out the full glare of the media worked out incredibly well for Beckham, didn't it? Remind me again how many trophies he won after he left us?

And Gus....with absolutely no due respect whatsoever,

Alex Ferguson will not win another champions league for this club - Gus Hiddink 29/05/2007
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You don't get to question us as fans.
 
mehro said:
Pogue, you've let this thread get to you. Get out while you still can.
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:smirk:

Heh. Fair point.

Mind you, my opinion changed the moment I heard him agree with Blatter's recent comments. Any cnut who thinks they are "enslaved" by being paid 120k/week to play football for MUFC deserves nothing but contempt.

I would have formed that opinion, with or without this thread.
 
brophs said:
He's had a long holiday. Now it's time to get back to work. Accountants have to be up to date on the latest practices, architects have to know the latest building codes, footballers have to keep their body as fit as possible. Seeking out the full glare of the media worked out incredibly well for Beckham, didn't it? Remind me again how many trophies he won after he left us?

And Gus....with absolutely no due respect whatsoever,



You don't get to question us as fans.
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Quality mate, quality. Can use that against him whenever he tries to insult people on here about the type of fans they are.
 
It's almost scary how much he wants to be like Beckham. The signs were evident even when he played his first match at the club. That damn nr 7 shirt is a curse.
 
Ronaldo saga shows just how paranoid Manchester United really are

Fergie doesn't need to get involved in more mind games, his squad is strong enough to keep winning next season - even without his Portuguese winker.

One of the strongest beliefs in Sir Alex Ferguson's managerial textbook has been the necessity to create a seige mentality around the team. ''Everyone's against us but if we stick together we'll win,'' is the message he drums home.

He's not the only one to use the technique, it's a tried and tested way to build morale. The problem arises when management actually starts to believe it and blames any setback on outside sources.

So when Rio Ferdinand is suspended for missing a drug test it turns out to be the fault of the testers, the FA and the media - not Rio. If United lose unexpectedly, as they did at Bolton last season, it's the ref's fault for failing to send a few Bolton players off - not United's for being second best on the day. If the reputation of the Ferguson clan suffers following a well-researched BBC documentary about the role of the manager's son in United transfers, that's obviously the BBC's fault for revealing the story.

The list could easily go on. So when Ronaldo decides after several years with United he'd like a change, a villain has to be found. Of course, it can't be Ronaldo, he's actually one of us. No, it's the evil Real Madrid who are trying to do what United have been doing for years - unsettle other teams' top stars before signing them.

At this point we have to remember the first rule of paranoia: Just because you suffer from the problem, it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. Madrid are trying every trick in the book, and why not? They're only doing what United did with Jaap Stam, Owen Hargreaves and are currently trying with Tottenham striker Dimitar Berbatov.

But the thing is, by making such a fuss about a ''principle'' when in fact there isn't one, Fergie is selling his own team short. Of course United aren't a one-man team, they're stacked with great talent from front to back. So let Ronaldo go, Fergie. Nobody likes the diving, winking cheat anyway!

http://www.sportingo.com/football/a...ws-just-how-paranoid-manchester-united-really

:wenger::nono:
 
So because he's taking a few pictures, in a few clubs in L.A on his holiday.

He's a fecking disgrace who is singlehandedly killing his career.

Football fans, bloody hell.
 
17/7/2008
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Finally there could be some concrete news on the horizon regarding Ronaldo. There is a board meeting around 6pm at the Bernabeu when Real's directors will make a definitive decision on whether to continue pursuing Ronaldo or switch to a plan B. Some Spanish sources claim Ferguson has told Jorge Mendes, the winger's agent, that there is no way back for the Portugal star at Old Trafford. However, he will not be allowed to join Real under any circumstances as the stubborn Scot stands firm. As no other club could conceivably sign him, bar Barcelona, as Ferguson would not sell to an English rival either surely, everything is up in the air. Real must decide whether to pursue a legal route to try and extricate Ronaldo from his contract which could work out ridiculously expensive or relatively cheap and blow the transfer system apart for good. Whether Madrid will take this risk is another matter and they could leave their top summer target high and dry. Providing any deal with Barca cannot be brokered, which would seem likely, the player would have no other option but to perform an incredible U-turn and crawl back to Manchester with his tail between his legs, being forced into embarrassing apologies to Ferguson in particular but also the fans who have grown tired of his attitude. More news when we get it!

http://www.setantasports.com/en/Spo...great-britain-locale/Barclays-Premier-League/
 
rimaldo said:
i see what you are getting at but i don't think he will be out injured for 12 weeks if real buy him off us anytime soon.
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brophs said:
He's had a long holiday. Now it's time to get back to work. Accountants have to be up to date on the latest practices, architects have to know the latest building codes, footballers have to keep their body as fit as possible. Seeking out the full glare of the media worked out incredibly well for Beckham, didn't it? Remind me again how many trophies he won after he left us?

And Gus....with absolutely no due respect whatsoever,



You don't get to question us as fans.
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PMSL, try reading my post before attempting to quote me you nugget. Lazy journalism.

Long holiday?? How the hell do you work that out?? This will be his longest break from footy in yrs.
 
Kelvin said:
17/7/2008
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Finally there could be some concrete news on the horizon regarding Ronaldo. There is a board meeting around 6pm at the Bernabeu when Real's directors will make a definitive decision on whether to continue pursuing Ronaldo or switch to a plan B. Some Spanish sources claim Ferguson has told Jorge Mendes, the winger's agent, that there is no way back for the Portugal star at Old Trafford. However, he will not be allowed to join Real under any circumstances as the stubborn Scot stands firm. As no other club could conceivably sign him, bar Barcelona, as Ferguson would not sell to an English rival either surely, everything is up in the air. Real must decide whether to pursue a legal route to try and extricate Ronaldo from his contract which could work out ridiculously expensive or relatively cheap and blow the transfer system apart for good. Whether Madrid will take this risk is another matter and they could leave their top summer target high and dry. Providing any deal with Barca cannot be brokered, which would seem likely, the player would have no other option but to perform an incredible U-turn and crawl back to Manchester with his tail between his legs, being forced into embarrassing apologies to Ferguson in particular but also the fans who have grown tired of his attitude. More news when we get it!

http://www.setantasports.com/en/Spo...great-britain-locale/Barclays-Premier-League/
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Is this originally from Marca? I thought they were busy considering that they claimed that Ronaldo would be presented as a Real player today.
 
'Some spanish sources'

:lol:

Even the media here are embaressed to say the words 'Marca' and 'AS'
 
GusHiddink said:
PMSL, try reading my post before attempting to quote me you nugget. Lazy journalism.

Long holiday?? How the hell do you work that out?? This will be his longest break from footy in yrs.
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Gus, he's had, what, three weeks or so off? I don't what the lazy journalism thing refers to, if it's the bit I quoted, that was just to represent your views in that thread, which I have read btw. There may be something in that fact that the vast, vast majority of people in that thread completely disagreed with you.

I also don't know what a nugget is, I presume that's a compliment?:)
 
GusHiddink said:
PMSL, try reading my post before attempting to quote me you nugget. Lazy journalism.

Long holiday?? How the hell do you work that out?? This will be his longest break from footy in yrs.
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my point was the 12 week timeline. i have no problem with him taking a break as like you said, he deserves one. i just think he wouldn't be claiming to be out for 12 weeks if he was a madrid player by now.
 
brophs said:
Gus, he's had, what, three weeks or so off? I don't what the lazy journalism thing refers to, if it's the bit I quoted, that was just to represent your views in that thread, which I have read btw. There may be something in that fact that the vast, vast majority of people in that thread completely disagreed with you.

I also don't know what a nugget is, I presume that's a compliment?:)
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3 weeks off and what??!! That is not a massive amount if you look at the number of games he's played for club and country over the last few years.

Re the lazy journalism the quote itself is lazy lazy lazy.

I have no qualms disagreeing with the majority on here because in all honesty the majority are not the sharpest tools in the box.
 
rimaldo said:
my point was the 12 week timeline. i have no problem with him taking a break as like you said, he deserves one. i just think he wouldn't be claiming to be out for 12 weeks if he was a madrid player by now.
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I dont think he'll be out for 12 weeks for us either...does that make you feel better??

Is it possible that utd have put that timescale out to further discourage a bid from madrid? I think so..:)
 
GusHiddink said:
I dont think he'll be out for 12 weeks for us either...does that make you feel better??

Is it possible that utd have put that timescale out to further discourage a bid from madrid? I think so..:)
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not really. time will tell but i think there is a possibility he will still be injured right up to the 31st august if he is still our player but will come back far sooner if we ship him off to madrid.

i thought the 12 weeks figure came from ronado and the portugal team physio and not our doctors. i thought our estimate was closer to 6. i may be wrong though. it has happened before.
 
brophs said:
He's had a long holiday.
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He's had 4 weeks holiday (since Portugal got knocked out)

He's spent at least two days of that in Lisbon hospitals, 3 days in a hospital in Amsterdam and "several" days at a clinic in Capri with another specialist trying to see if the surgery could be avoided.

From the way the Portugal physio was talking, the Dutch surgeon came down on the three month side of the layoff timetable whereas Ron had been hoping for something more like 6 weeks. Ron is apparently still hoping for less than three months, the physio thinks that's unlikely.
 
My tuppence worth..

There are certain posters on here who are the biggest hypocrits going.

For the last 3 years they have time after time said "football is a business" and told me and others just to accept it.

Now suddenly one of the "employees" decides hes may want to ply his trade at another "company" and they are slagging him off to feck...

If football is a business, and the players are employees then as in any other business the employee can ( and does ) go work for another company ( usually the competition ) to better themselves or to enhance their circumstances.

How people can slag him off for wanting to go after repeatedly saying that United is greater than one person, is beyond me.

You cant have it all ways. If United is a business then the players will act like any normal person would if they get offered what they consider to be a better job.. They will take it.

We all have dream jobs. I certainly do. Would i turn down the chance to take it through loyalty to my current employer.. WOULD I feck..

You accept United is a business. Then accept the players are employees and are there for the money the club pays, not through loyalty to the shirt...
 
rimaldo said:
not really. time will tell but i think there is a possibility he will still be injured right up to the 31st august if he is still our player but will come back far sooner if we ship him off to madrid.

i thought the 12 weeks figure came from ronado and the portugal team physio and not our doctors. i thought our estimate was closer to 6. i may be wrong though. it has happened before.
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From what United have said officially, I don't think he can be "back" in 6 weeks - though he might be training by then. He doesn't have the scan until 4 weeks and he's not allowed to kick a ball until after the scan gives him the all-clear.
 
jojojo said:
From what United have said officially, I don't think he can be "back" in 6 weeks - though he might be training by then. He doesn't have the scan until 4 weeks and he's not allowed to kick a ball until after the scan gives him the all-clear.
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that is more reassuring to know. i just hope he doesn't manage to Traveller it further by trying to dance on it when he is hammered.
 
fredthered said:
My tuppence worth..

There are certain posters on here who are the biggest hypocrits going.

For the last 3 years they have time after time said "football is a business" and told me and others just to accept it.

Now suddenly one of the "employees" decides hes may want to ply his trade at another "company" and they are slagging him off to feck...

If football is a business, and the players are employees then as in any other business the employee can ( and does ) go work for another company ( usually the competition ) to better themselves or to enhance their circumstances.

How people can slag him off for wanting to go after repeatedly saying that United is greater than one person, is beyond me.

You cant have it all ways. If United is a business then the players will act like any normal person would if they get offered what they consider to be a better job.. They will take it.

We all have dream jobs. I certainly do. Would i turn down the chance to take it through loyalty to my current employer.. WOULD I feck..

You accept United is a business. Then accept the players are employees and are there for the money the club pays, not through loyalty to the shirt...
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So contracts are worthless then? And in football, because of the amount of money paid and the emotion of the fans, loyalty is very important.
You agree that Ronnie's a "slave" then?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Anybody else starting to hate the sight of him?

Most of my contributions in this thread have been defending him and I still hope - for footballing reasons - he stays put.

But he really is turning into a jumped up little shit and swanning around LA, on crutches, when he's supposed to be recuperating from an operation is fecking disgraceful behaviour. If/when he does leave I'll be glad to see the back of him.
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So it's been Real Salt Lake that he's been dreaming of playing for
 
Keane on SSN seems to side with Ronaldo and is still bitter the way United treated him.
 
fredthered said:
My tuppence worth..

There are certain posters on here who are the biggest hypocrits going.

For the last 3 years they have time after time said "football is a business" and told me and others just to accept it.

Now suddenly one of the "employees" decides hes may want to ply his trade at another "company" and they are slagging him off to feck...

If football is a business, and the players are employees then as in any other business the employee can ( and does ) go work for another company ( usually the competition ) to better themselves or to enhance their circumstances.

How people can slag him off for wanting to go after repeatedly saying that United is greater than one person, is beyond me.

You cant have it all ways. If United is a business then the players will act like any normal person would if they get offered what they consider to be a better job.. They will take it.

We all have dream jobs. I certainly do. Would i turn down the chance to take it through loyalty to my current employer.. WOULD I feck..

You accept United is a business. Then accept the players are employees and are there for the money the club pays, not through loyalty to the shirt...
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Thankfully not everyone thinks it is purely a business, and recognises the special status football requires in order to function. Hence for example why 'transfer deadlines' exist. An employer telling me I couldn't move jobs between particular dates of the year wouldn't have much luck defending themselves in court I don't think. Others in here seem to be confusing the rights of contract law with the rights of uncontracted office work

This is all wonderfully simple though. Unless Madrid make a ridiculous bid, he isn't going anywhere. All he's served to do this summer is lose the respect and love of a support that once largely idolised him. He's a silly boy, given the levels of ego and arrogance he's displayed through his time here, that will surely hurt him
 
Kelvin said:
17/7/2008
10.00
Finally there could be some concrete news on the horizon regarding Ronaldo. There is a board meeting around 6pm at the Bernabeu when Real's directors will make a definitive decision on whether to continue pursuing Ronaldo or switch to a plan B. Some Spanish sources claim Ferguson has told Jorge Mendes, the winger's agent, that there is no way back for the Portugal star at Old Trafford. However, he will not be allowed to join Real under any circumstances as the stubborn Scot stands firm. As no other club could conceivably sign him, bar Barcelona, as Ferguson would not sell to an English rival either surely, everything is up in the air. Real must decide whether to pursue a legal route to try and extricate Ronaldo from his contract which could work out ridiculously expensive or relatively cheap and blow the transfer system apart for good. Whether Madrid will take this risk is another matter and they could leave their top summer target high and dry. Providing any deal with Barca cannot be brokered, which would seem likely, the player would have no other option but to perform an incredible U-turn and crawl back to Manchester with his tail between his legs, being forced into embarrassing apologies to Ferguson in particular but also the fans who have grown tired of his attitude. More news when we get it!

http://www.setantasports.com/en/Spo...great-britain-locale/Barclays-Premier-League/
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Oh good. Cant wait to see the bollocks Calderon will come out with.
 
fredthered said:
You accept United is a business. Then accept the players are employees and are there for the money the club pays, not through loyalty to the shirt...
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We've all got split personalities when it comes to this. Partly because United is our dream job and we want it to be like that for everyone - or at least we want them to lie about it.

Ron got sold at 8, again at 12 and had a big fat for sale sign on him for months before United stumped up the cash. His mates at the club get bought and sold. He knows football's a business. The fact that that he's screwed himself up royally in P.R. and marketing terms just means that the subtleties of the business have escaped him. Nothing unusual about that - anybody remember Ratner killing his own jewellery business by talking about "selling a pair of earrings for under a pound, which is cheaper than a prawn sandwich from Marks & Spencer, But, I have to say that the sandwich will probably last longer than the earrings."

That said - I'd still keep him and not just to gloat over his discomfort. I'd keep him because contracts are two way things and Madrid haven't got enough money to make me think there's any business reason to let him go. And, while I might be fed up of his remarks to the press I'm not fed up of watching him play - and as long as I'm watching him play for United my brain will ignore the rest (at least for the duration of the match) - because yeah, I've got a split personality of my own.
 
fredthered said:
My tuppence worth..

There are certain posters on here who are the biggest hypocrits going.

For the last 3 years they have time after time said "football is a business" and told me and others just to accept it.

Now suddenly one of the "employees" decides hes may want to ply his trade at another "company" and they are slagging him off to feck...

If football is a business, and the players are employees then as in any other business the employee can ( and does ) go work for another company ( usually the competition ) to better themselves or to enhance their circumstances.

How people can slag him off for wanting to go after repeatedly saying that United is greater than one person, is beyond me.

You cant have it all ways. If United is a business then the players will act like any normal person would if they get offered what they consider to be a better job.. They will take it.

We all have dream jobs. I certainly do. Would i turn down the chance to take it through loyalty to my current employer.. WOULD I feck..

You accept United is a business. Then accept the players are employees and are there for the money the club pays, not through loyalty to the shirt...
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fred...I agree 100% with you.

We all wish all players are like Giggsy and Scholes....but that is fast fading....especially with more and more 'foreign' players joining the club...

Reality bites...and it can be bloody painful....

btw welcome back mate.
 
fredthered said:
My tuppence worth..

There are certain posters on here who are the biggest hypocrits going.

For the last 3 years they have time after time said "football is a business" and told me and others just to accept it.

Now suddenly one of the "employees" decides hes may want to ply his trade at another "company" and they are slagging him off to feck...

If football is a business, and the players are employees then as in any other business the employee can ( and does ) go work for another company ( usually the competition ) to better themselves or to enhance their circumstances.

How people can slag him off for wanting to go after repeatedly saying that United is greater than one person, is beyond me.

You cant have it all ways. If United is a business then the players will act like any normal person would if they get offered what they consider to be a better job.. They will take it.

We all have dream jobs. I certainly do. Would i turn down the chance to take it through loyalty to my current employer.. WOULD I feck..

You accept United is a business. Then accept the players are employees and are there for the money the club pays, not through loyalty to the shirt...
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I find it hard to disagree with that, Fred. BUT, while football is a business, it i one with more emotional attachment on behalf of the employees than a normal organisation.

The one thing I would say is that by and large, the thing many of us are disappointed is the way he's conducted himself in this whole affair. Wanting to leave is a personal choice, and one I can respect. If I was at Madrid, and United bid for me, I'd be gone like a flash. If it's the bloke's dream, I'd say all the best(even so, that will be my attitude, he gave us two great, great seasons), but

However if Ronaldo chooses to be so openly disrespectful about the club, manager, staff and players that made his the best player in the world, then the whole thing starts to annoy me.

That's not to say I'm going to start slagging off the bloke, or rewriting history re: his performances for us, but the fact remains, his behaviour has been poor of late. He seems to be revelling in causing discomfort for the club and the manager.
 
fredthered said:
My tuppence worth..

There are certain posters on here who are the biggest hypocrits going.

For the last 3 years they have time after time said "football is a business" and told me and others just to accept it.

Now suddenly one of the "employees" decides hes may want to ply his trade at another "company" and they are slagging him off to feck...

If football is a business, and the players are employees then as in any other business the employee can ( and does ) go work for another company ( usually the competition ) to better themselves or to enhance their circumstances.

How people can slag him off for wanting to go after repeatedly saying that United is greater than one person, is beyond me.

You cant have it all ways. If United is a business then the players will act like any normal person would if they get offered what they consider to be a better job.. They will take it.

We all have dream jobs. I certainly do. Would i turn down the chance to take it through loyalty to my current employer.. WOULD I feck..

You accept United is a business. Then accept the players are employees and are there for the money the club pays, not through loyalty to the shirt...
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I agree with all of that.

Doesn't stop me wanting to slap Ronaldo upside the head, when I see him swanning round red carpets in LA, raking in 120k/week, barely a few days after talking about how MUFC were treating him like a "slave".
 
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