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I know you don't like being called silly but come on, that's just... silly...
Ronnie could have stopped all this ages ago. Real would stop everything if he was to say I'm going nowhere. If it hadn't been for these "announcement" things I guess it would all be over and there'd be nothing to discuss.
So yes, it's all in Ronnie's court now.
it's silly to call me silly.
 
He's one of them, yes. He's totally taking the piss, and playing the club, and it's fans, for fools.

'Kin ell. Another one.

How exactly has he played any of us for a fool?

(And so help me God, if one more person says "he could quash these rumours" - without stopping to think about what this means to potential contract negotiations - I'm gonna eat my own head)
 
Ronnie could have stopped all this ages ago. Real would stop everything if he was to say I'm going nowhere. If it hadn't been for these "announcement" things I guess it would all be over and there'd be nothing to discuss.
So yes, it's all in Ronnie's court now.
it's silly to call me silly.

What BR said...

I also think there's a media agenda to drive him out of OT and Sky are up there along with it.
 
he better chose to stay because if he wants to go to Real, he will have a fight on his hand.
 
Ronnie could have stopped all this ages ago. Real would stop everything if he was to say I'm going nowhere. If it hadn't been for these "announcement" things I guess it would all be over and there'd be nothing to discuss.
So yes, it's all in Ronnie's court now.
it's silly to call me silly.

I refer you to my post immediately above this one. Not to mention at least 15 similar posts by assorted caftards on recent pages.

I mean come on, you can't just keep ignoring what everyone else is saying. Or can you?
 
And then Fergie could phone up Gill and tell him "the lad's not going anywhere, postpone that new contract proposal until next summer" Ronaldo's agent would be well chuffed wouldn't he?

We're going in circles on this fecking thread. Why do so many people keep ignoring what other people keep pointing out?

what new contract?

Sir Alex must be a wum them because I don't remember him mentioning anywhere a new contract for Ronaldo. why would he keep it a secret?

It would be illogical because the terms of any deal would be 'leaked' anyway lol

You are being arrogent.

Unless someone is ronaldos agent, Ronaldo himself, Ronaldos mate, A relative then no one knows anything more then anyone else. The only real difference is what side of the fence people sit on

No contract has been mention, other then speculation. So we have to see - but you cannot base your argument on something that no one knows anything about.
 
'Kin ell. Another one.

How exactly has he played any of us for a fool?

(And so help me God, if one more person says "he could quash these rumours" - without stopping to think about what this means to potential contract negotiations - I'm gonna eat my own head)

This must now be this summer's Tevez thread as Pogue's has promised to eat something head related. Last year a hat, now his actual head.
 
Ronnie could have stopped all this ages ago. Real would stop everything if he was to say I'm going nowhere. If it hadn't been for these "announcement" things I guess it would all be over and there'd be nothing to discuss.
So yes, it's all in Ronnie's court now.
it's silly to call me silly.

feckssake. Contract negotiations. If he is negotiating a contract he can't say anything too definitive.

what new contract?

Sir Alex must be a wum them because I don't remember him mentioning anywhere a new contract for Ronaldo. why would he keep it a secret?

It would be illogical because the terms of any deal would be 'leaked' anyway lol

You are being arrogent.

Unless someone is ronaldos agent, Ronaldo himself, Ronaldos mate, A relative then no one knows anything more then anyone else. The only real difference is what side of the fence people sit on

No contract has been mention, other then speculation. So we have to see - but you cannot base your argument on something that no one knows anything about.


The press have already caught wind of the idea he might be offered a new contract.
 
'Kin ell. Another one.

How exactly has he played any of us for a fool?

(And so help me God, if one more person says "he could quash these rumours" - without stopping to think about what this means to potential contract negotiations - I'm gonna eat my own head)

If you can't see how, you are either being very ignorant, or just burying your head in the sand.

And, if this is because he is trying to get more money, in a new contract, going about it in this way is totally pathetic, and inexcusableness.
 
what new contract?

Sir Alex must be a wum them because I don't remember him mentioning anywhere a new contract for Ronaldo. why would he keep it a secret?

It would be illogical because the terms of any deal would be 'leaked' anyway

You just answered your own question.

I'll expand on your own answer by asking another question. What do you thinik would be the implications of Real Madrid discovering the terms of a new deal, should the details get leaked?
 
CALDERON DISMISSES UNITED REQUEST

Real Madrid president Ramon Calderon has refused a request from Manchester United to rule out ever making a move for Portugal winger Cristiano Ronaldo.

However, Calderon has conceded he is unlikely to sign the 23-year-old this summer.

In an interview with Spanish sports paper Marca, Calderon dismissed a formal request from Manchester United managing director David Gill for Madrid to publicly abandon their pursuit of the player.

But Calderon said signing Ronaldo was "impossible" and sought to play down the row between the two sides which has erupted in the wake of the Spanish team's public pursuit of the Portugal forward.

"At the moment it seems impossible for him to come," he said.

"We shouldn't talk about Ronaldo any more because at the moment it's impossible.

"It's an aspiration which has no chance of happening because his club have said they are not selling and we must not talk about it any more."

Calderon added: "The managing director sent me a letter telling me they will never sell him and even asking me to publicly declare that I will never sign him, which is something which doesn't make much sense."

And he said: "We have to think that at the moment, whatever Cristiano says, Manchester won't sell him."

Nevertheless, Calderon admitted that he would still love to sign the Portugal forward.

He continued: "We would love to have Cristiano or any of the (world's) great players here."

The 57 year-old also reiterated that his club have the financial muscle to prise the young winger away from Old Trafford.

He said: "The decision will be made by the coaches, but nothing is expensive or cheap on its own, before analysing what the counter-balance is from what you receive for the price you pay.

"Here (at Real Madrid), 75 million (euros) was paid six years ago for a 29-year-old player (Zinedine Zidane) and nobody questioned it.

"What I have always said is that this club want the money to be on the pitch and not in the bank, and it is (made) public that Madrid has it.

"They know what we earn, that doesn't mean the club are going to throw it away. We are not going to throw our money around.

"Last year we made signings which looked expensive, but now they look reasonable."

Calderon says he does not know how much Ronaldo would cost Real.

"I don't know. I am not aware of his contract. That is something between Cristiano and Manchester and I can't answer it," he said.

And he added: "He is still not on the market, so I cannot say. We don't even know if he will come."

The Real president also looked to play down the recent row between Madrid and United.

"Speaking more about this will only damage the relationship between the clubs.

"(Things like) occupation of countries and turning Columbus into a Spaniard have already been talked about," he said, in reference to quotes made by United number two Carlos Queiroz last week about Real's behaviour, when he accused the Spanish club of trying to 'nationalise' Ronaldo.

Calderon claims he does not know if the player wants to join Madrid.

"There is a good relationship (with Manchester United) and I have said that if someone decides to leave, it is very difficult to keep them.

"We don't know if Ronaldo wants to leave or not, that seems to me to be getting ahead of the events.

"If I talk about it, I will be criticised for having said there is a chance he will come. If it doesn't happen, it appears a failure," he said.

"So much has been said that we don't know if it's true that he wants to leave.

"We don't know if he will say nothing or if he will say something different.

"If he says something different, Manchester will have to act and if they want to negotiate with Madrid or another club, they will do so. But they have already said they won't sell."

The Real president says he will not be to blame if the deal fails to go ahead.

"If he doesn't come, I won't consider myself guilty.

"What happened with Kaka (last year) was different.

"(Sporting director Pedja) Mijatovic had it (the deal) very advanced, also with Cesc (Fabregas), and it seemed a good idea to tell (people) what our project was.

"It didn't happen and I am sorry because they would have helped us a lot."

Calderon says the Ronaldo deal is now out of his hands.

"Right now, the Cristiano thing is beyond me," he said.

"For him to come, the player will have to say that he is leaving, then Manchester have to want to sell, we will have to play... there are many circumstances which must come together."

The Real president, who has led the team to back-to-back titles since taking over from Florentino Perez, said he is happy with his squad, with or without Ronaldo.

"There is a young, balanced and unified squad (here), and I don't want to upset that. Whoever comes, I propose that it doesn't change much. It's not necessary.

"With this team I think we can win the Champions League and whatever (or whoever) helps that will be welcome.

"But this team will grow, they will be more convincing, they will understand the coach better. It shouldn't be forgotten that we won the league with a record number of points," he added.

http://www.sportinglife.com/footbal...er/08/06/02/SOCCER_Ronaldo.html&TEAMHD=soccer


fcuk off Calderon
 
And, if this is because he is trying to get more money, in a new contract, going about it in this way is totally pathetic, and inexcusableness.

Going about it in what way?

What exactly has he done that's wound you up so much?

Say "I will stay" on two televised interviews?

Say that we will find out more in a couple of weeks time?
 
If you can't see how, you are either being very ignorant, or just burying your head in the sand.

And, if this is because he is trying to get more money, in a new contract, going about it in this way is totally pathetic, and inexcusableness.

We have been known to be tough negotiators in the past, he has every right to push a hard bargain. The fact that the press love him and Marca/Real Madrid can't get over him only makes things seem worse than they are.
 
I've already read something like that...I think I'm going round in circles now...:(
 
What do you thinik would be the implications of Real Madrid discovering the terms of a new deal, should the details get leaked?

Surely, it shouldn't matter, if Ronaldo wants to stay, then Real can offer what they like because he wouldn't go, a problem would only arise if he did want to go, something you keep saying he doesn't.
 
Going about it in what way?

What exactly has he done that's wound you up so much?

Say "I will stay" on two televised interviews?

Say that we will find out more in a couple of weeks time?

You know what Pogue. Don't act stupid.
 
Surely, it shouldn't matter, if Ronaldo wants to stay, then Real can offer what they like because he wouldn't go, a problem would only arise if he did want to go, something you keep saying he doesn't.

You're saying footballers are never motivated by money?

For a young lad you're very old-fashioned when it comes to how you think modern footballers make decisions about their future.

FWIW, I think the SAF will keep Ronaldo at United, even if Real offer him more money. But you can bet your arse United will be keeping the terms of any new contract extremely close to their chest, until he after he's signed on the dotted line.
 
You just answered your own question.

I'll expand on your own answer by asking another question. What do you thinik would be the implications of Real Madrid discovering the terms of a new deal, should the details get leaked?

first of all I want Ronaldo to stay. Second of all I hope he signs a contract extension.

Fergie would have no sleepless nights telling everyone who'll listen we're renegotiating someones contract.

Telling the world that would not hurt the club, at all.

The fact is mendes, his agent is either trusted or he ain't. The club can do nothing about what he tells madrid

So fergie's hand is in no way tied and we would not be weaking our stance telling the world we're re-negotiating.

It comes ultimately down to the ethics of the 'agent' - which might seem a contradiction but you'd like to think some have them.

It also comes down to the player and his motivations

Even if we weren't, knowing madrids lack of ethics they would show ronaldo a demo contract in terms of what they could offer
 
Anyway this will all be clear when Ronaldo makes his "announcement" in a day or two. I believe the outcome will be one out of these two:
  • Ronaldo stays at United and becomes deservedly the best paid player in the world.
  • Ronaldo decalres his desire to move to Real Marid and all hell breaks loose between us and them.

Blimey, are you Mystic Meg?
 
All that article does is to prove the point that Ronnie is winding up Real, United, and the fans. Nobody seems to have any idea as to what this "announcement" is all about. Not Real. Not United. Not us.
 
If you can't see how, you are either being very ignorant, or just burying your head in the sand.

And, if this is because he is trying to get more money, in a new contract, going about it in this way is totally pathetic, and inexcusableness.
That's not really a word. A nice inexcusable would do great.
 
united>>>>>>>>>Ronaldo

If he wants out then fine, see ya later. You don't wanna be with a bird who forever thinks about nobbing ya mate off do ya?

If he has more desire to play for that lot, then he knows where the airport is i'm sure in my opinion.

If you want to play for United, and that's 100 percent, then stay.

To be honest i think the quotes have been rather arrogant. 'I will make my decision in the next 2 to three days'? sorry whose decision?

Last time i checked the contract was for 5 years. I think it may be down to United fella (though as said i would never want anyone at united that wants to be elswhere.

Anyway, great player no matter what happens. Done us some great service, as have we him by making him the best in the world. If he stays he is a massive asset. If he goes, well life carries on. Cantona, Beckham, Law, Best, ....all have come and gone perhaps before they were expected to. And we have gone from one success to another.
 
I will wait to see what this "announcement" will be, as yet Cristiano Ronaldo has not said he wants to move to Real Madrid so I'm not going to crucify him for that. I've only heard positive things coming from him saying that he's going to stay, he wants to play for Sir Alex, he wants to be legend in the mould of George Best etc. A lot of the crap that's come out has been Real Madrid talk, paper talk and pundits stirring up a situation. Ronaldo's certainly not completely blameless, he could have finished all this in an instant, but I'm willing to look beyond that because I've only heard positive things from him and believe he will stay.

However, if worst comes to worst and he was to leave...I definitely would not regard him as a scum or whatever some people of here might be thinking, he's given us 5 years of good to great service and played an absolutely integral role in winning the league twice and winning the Champions League for only the 3rd time in our history - for me he will be regarded as a legend and I will still be a huge fan of his. Keane, Van Nistelrooy, Beckham etc all left under dark clouds and all for their different reasons too, this will not take away from what Ronaldo has done for us. BUT I doubt it will come to this, I hope and think he will stay for a few more years yet but who knows.

Regardless of what happens, Manchester United will move on...we always have in far, far more difficult times. The boy has stuck with us in the hardest time of his career in 2006, nothing's even been decided yet and people on here are making snap reactions.
 
Can't you all see that it's Ronaldo's agent winding everyone up to get a better contract? Ronnie is just stupid enough to follow his instructions to get more money. I don't think Ronaldo himself realises how much he is winding up the fans.
 
Utter bollocks. You don't think he has better things to do at the moment than instigate a situation like this?
Just going by the facts of the case Bilbo. The facts (or the fictions). As we know them. As are Real and United. No-one but Ronnie knows what this is all about and he's leading us all on. So who else to blame? He may not have instigated all this but he's sure milking it to the last drop.
 
If you can't see how, you are either being very ignorant, or just burying your head in the sand.

And, if this is because he is trying to get more money, in a new contract, going about it in this way is totally pathetic, and inexcusableness.
Sam, what has Ronaldo actually done wrong here? Seriously, I'm trying to understand how any of this can be directed at him.
 
I'm genuinely taken aback by how offended so many people have allowed themselves to become, with very little grounds to do so. My question was sincere.

I think the level of offense is symptomatic of a naive, old-fashioned view that fans 'own' players - and that players should sublimate their own desires to those of the fans.

Having said that, you seem to be saying that he has clearly stated that he is staying, but is leaving his statements ambiguous for 'negotiating' reasons. I don't see how both of those can be true.

I do think you are being very blinkered if you do not see how Ronaldo's antics / statements have wound people up. Even if he were jockeying for a new contract, he could have been fickle in private and Lampard-loyal in public: 'I'd love to stay, and I expect to stay, but it's a short career so it's got to be right'. I don't see how that undermines his position at all.
 
You're saying footballers are never motivated by money?

For a young lad you're very old-fashioned when it comes to how you think modern footballers make decisions about their future.

FWIW, I think the SAF will keep Ronaldo at United, even if Real offer him more money. But you can bet your arse United will be keeping the terms of any new contract extremely close to their chest, until he after he's signed on the dotted line.

If he wanted to play for the club that just offered him the most money, would you honestly say you'd want him to stay? I wouldn't.

I want players that want to play for the shirt, become legends, make history etc, not players that are playing just for a big fat pay check.

You will probably come back and say, 'but Ronaldo has said he want to become a legend' etc, but those are just words. It's his actions that are what he will be judged on, and at the moment, his actions are poor, and ultimately, may deny him becoming a legend.
 
Sam, what has Ronaldo actually done wrong here? Seriously, I'm trying to understand how any of this can be directed at him.

Take your head out of the sand, and open your eyes.
 
I logged in on Saturday, hadn't bothered with this thread for a few weeks beforehand because in my mind there was nothing in this story. The comments I read on Saturday led me to wonder what I had missed, because all that was missing was a picture of Ronaldo in a Real shirt, holding a contract, a pen, and a sign saying 'feck off United fans'.

this describes my situation as well.

i thought i'd missed something, so i went a re-read a large part of the thread since i last posted, and was shocked to see that nothing really had developed except some sort of mass hysteria.
 
If he wanted to play for the club that just offered him the most money, would you honestly say you'd want him to stay? I wouldn't.

I want players that want to play for the shirt, become legends, make history etc, not players that are playing just for a big fat pay check.

You will probably come back and say, 'but Ronaldo has said he want to become a legend' etc, but those are just words. It's his actions that are what he will be judged on, and at the moment, his actions are poor, and ultimately, may deny him becoming a legend.

You're overreacting
 
Where you one of these fans who hated Ronaldo after the world cup? Or who hated Rio for his ban?

Rio's ban, thought it was harsh, was angry at the FA. But then again, I was a lot younger, so may have been very biased.

After the world cup, I didn't blame Ronaldo. We went out because we can't take penalties, and the ref overreacted. I was pissed at that ref, I remember shouting at the TV, for Rooney to 'deck' him. :lol:
 
Just going by the facts of the case Bilbo. The facts (or the fictions). As we know them. As are Real and United. No-one but Ronnie knows what this is all about and he's leading us all on. So who else to blame? He may not have instigated all this but he's sure milking it to the last drop.
What facts? If we're getting down to the nuts and bolts of this, what exactly are the facts?

I heard him say before the CL final that he was staying, then I definitely heard him say straight after the game that he was staying. Since then, we've had a lot of bollocks come from Madrid, all of which has been excellently countered by Ferguson. Now Madrid are acting sheepish, like kids who have had their arses smacked.

Amongst all this, Ronaldo has been almost silent, save some cryptic '2 weeks' comments which could quite easily just be designed as an attempt to get the media to leave him alone for the Euro preparations.

What am I missing here?
 
Take your head out of the sand, and open your eyes.
I'll do that. In return, will you promise to stop reading the tabloids and believing that every word you read is gospel?
 
I understand how people want to stick up for Ronaldo after the season he has had and the fact he is our player but come on people.

The fact remains that United are saying he is not for sale and they will let him rot in the reserves, Madrid are saying there is no chance of signing him (for the moment at least) but he somehow still has a "decision" to make.

He has clearly played a role in this.
 
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