ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation
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stop being bellends, lads.
Why are we being bellends mate? We should burrow our heads in the ground as our best player is unsettled, and refuses to end the speculation himself, whilst Fergie feels the need to send a shot across the bows? No, I don't think so. It shows concern. We're not all as dispassionate / don't care about the wellbeing of the club as you are
He's not conducting himself in the professional United manner, and it deserves condemning, even if he stays. It's very poor. It's ok citing times he says he'll stay, but when he does that at the same time as making out his future is unresolved... it's not on
Yes, but plenty of clubs recover and move on quickly. We're far from a one man team. Who knows, it may even bring the best out of Rooney, more onus on him, to once again carry us like he did a couple of seasons ago! And with the amount of money Ronaldo will cost, I think it likely a top quality replacement could be found. Maybe we take a small knock, but I'd rather have a good atmosphere at the club with players who want to be here
Although I'm partially to the reserve rotting if things get ugly. We'll see
Agreed.
So who was the last player who was courted so heavily by Real Madrid and came out and said "Not for me. Sorry lads".
Why is it Ronaldo has to be the one who behaves better than all the other players who have been in his position? Why is it people expect him to come out and end the speculation, when no other player does that - and because he won't do it, people turn against him?
This is just how foreign footballers work. Its been happening for a long time. Either he'll sign a new contract or he'll end up going, we wont know either way till after the Euros - so hold your horses.
Have a little faith in the management and our best player - who has been linked with moves away since his first season at the club and has remained loyal thus far.
Why is it Ronaldo has to be the one who behaves better than all the other players who have been in his position? Why is it people expect him to come out and end the speculation, when no other player does that - and because he won't do it, people turn against him?
This is just how foreign footballers work. Its been happening for a long time. Either he'll sign a new contract or he'll end up going, we wont know either way till after the Euros - so hold your horses.
Have a little faith in the management and our best player - who has been linked with moves away since his first season at the club and has remained loyal thus far.
Because United players don't do that. And if they do, they're out on their ear, and they regret it later on because there's only one way from United and that's down
All I'm suggesting that its pointless to bite into the bollocks perpetrated by Marca, Tribal and the likes. They are going to keep on printing bullshit every summer till he is here. When he goes, it will be about some other player. Thats just the way it is. If all of us start buying into that bullshit, it kinda justifies them coming up with more of it.
I thought that this would be much obvious to all. Sadly, it doesn't seem so.
I mean the likes of Marca are now going after any and every one related to him in any way trying to get them to say the word "Madrid" and then print some bullshit around those quotes. Why the feck do people even read such bullshit, let alone get riled by it?
As far as the situation itself goes, hes said many times that he wants to stay, believes he is at the right club, and would like to play in Spain at some point. Can't see anything wrong with that. Fergie has also assured us that he will be here next season. But the press in any interview keep on pressing him and pressing him. He is just not very intelligent nor a good enough speaker to be able to handle that.
This is fairly unique for United. To have a player that doesn't want to stay at OT forever. Thinking back over the years I can't think of any of our stars who wanted away or who treated United the way Ronnie is treating us. Beckham and Ruud never wanted to leave. As Fergie says United wanted to get rid. Heinze was unhappy cos he wasn't the star turn. Ronnie is making out he's bigger than the club. He could have stopped speculation immediately himself at the first overture. I wonder if he realizes what he's doing to his fans, none bigger than me. Right now he's lost the BPITW status for me. He's just a talented kid with an inflated ego. It will harm him
And this is not only how foreign footballers works. His current behavior is no difference to someone like Rooney when he was to leave Everton. At that time it was a player coming to us so it was acceptable.
Fans need to stop putting players on pedestal. Granted Keane did not have such a media circus around him but he was close to walking out because he wanted more money as well, same with Gerrard with his boyhood club Liverpool. Bar a few exceptions like Giggs, Scholes, Totti modern footballers are not a loyal breed.
Fans need to stop putting players on pedestal. Granted Keane did not have such a media circus around him but he was close to walking out because he wanted more money as well, same with Gerrard with his boyhood club Liverpool. Bar a few exceptions like Giggs, Scholes, Totti modern footballers are not a loyal breed.
Ruud wanted to go. In fact he asked to leave on 3 different occasions.
Beckham was open to leaving as well. He was too good at PR to mess it up like Ronaldo but when we had that QF with Madrid, in the interview prior to it he praised them for being a big club like United and did not rule out him moving to them. We invited a first bid from Barca though so it went down as us wanting to sell him and him not wanting to leave.
Madrid aren't just after Ron the player, they want Ron the star to put a bit of wow factor back into the club. Of course, a squabble like this is actually damaging the wow factor - anybody want to buy a Ronaldo shirt at the moment? - and as Calderon's position at Madrid is not as strong as it was this attempted move (and the bad publicity around it) could be a step too far, not the votewinning coup Calderon had in mind.
One thing United have been consistent about in the post-Bosman\Webster era is demonstrating that they'd rather see a contract run out than accept a low transfer fee in the countdown year, or pay more than they want to. We saw it on the Heinze move, and in the Brown negotiations. United's attacks on Madrid over Ronaldo and the warnings are a continuation of the theme.
As for Ronaldo - I don't think he's enjoying this. I suspect that (probably by accident when he was trying to strengthen his hand for a negotiation with United) he's found himself with an actual decision to make, a lot of annoyed people, and a lot of conflicting advice from the people who he trusts.
If he stays its gonna be for a MAXIMUM of 1 more season. and we get the same shit next year.
Why keep a player who clearly wants to be elsewhere? feck it, cash in now and we can move on and ronaldo can watch on as united continue to be the best team in the world without him.
Weve still got saf.
Why keep a player who clearly wants to be elsewhere? feck it, cash in now and we can move on and ronaldo can watch on as united continue to be the best team in the world without him.
Weve still got saf.
We would be fairly fecked if we lost both of them at the same time
Also the fact that every paper in the world wants to run a new story on this everyday is not helping. He probably wants to make a decision without any publicity but everyday him or people his associates are being bombarded by questions.
Now now, listen everyone.....nothings been set in stone (except liverpool legends).
He's still our player, and until this changes or he states that he will go, we shouldn't slag him off. In fact, i'd still say thanks for the last few seasons to Ronnie.
Who knows, what he is deciding now, is exactly how long is contract extension is going to be for? Maybe in 3 days, it will be revealed something like "Ronaldo: It was a tough decision, but I'm here for the best years of my career".
Lets not assume anything, lets not slag off the lad yet. He's still our beloved Ronaldo, scoring the goals, best player in the world. Yes he's courting attention, but its only because he's asked. If he didn't get interviewed, he wouldn't need to explain anything to anyone.
As of now, he is our ronaldo, our superstar. Lets just wait, shall we?
3 days.
He's still our player, and until this changes or he states that he will go, we shouldn't slag him off. In fact, i'd still say thanks for the last few seasons to Ronnie.
Who knows, what he is deciding now, is exactly how long is contract extension is going to be for? Maybe in 3 days, it will be revealed something like "Ronaldo: It was a tough decision, but I'm here for the best years of my career".
Lets not assume anything, lets not slag off the lad yet. He's still our beloved Ronaldo, scoring the goals, best player in the world. Yes he's courting attention, but its only because he's asked. If he didn't get interviewed, he wouldn't need to explain anything to anyone.
As of now, he is our ronaldo, our superstar. Lets just wait, shall we?
3 days.
he's been saying that he wants to stay, if anything, it seems you want him out more than he does.
Think youll find saf is alot more important to united than ronaldo (i know you know this, im just emotional)
Sir alex IS united. the club is in his heart and at the moment i dont like hearing ronaldo in the same sentence as saf.
if you've got that much respect for SAF, perhaps you should pay attention to what he's saying re Ronaldo and respect it.
That's all very well, but when I see interviews where he refuses to rule out the possibility of moving, and says his future will be settled soon - there's nothing to settle unless I'm very mistaken - that isn't Marca putting words in his mouth. That's him stoking the flames. Even if it's just to get a better pay deal - and how greedy can a man be to act like this to get an extra 10 grand when you're already on £120,000 or whatever - it's extremely poor, very disloyal, and his behaviour tarnishes the club
p.s Crappy, Rooney leaving Everton was very different, there was a deep and fundimental breakdown with his manager, who wasn't leaving anytime soon. It's his childhood club, I'm sure in a perfect world he'd have wanted to stay and achieve things with them. Other fact is that he was making a clear move up the pecking order to playing champions league football and competing for league titles, making him a better player. How can Ronaldo move to a bigger club when we've just won the English Premiership and European Cup?!
I want him to stay. but not if his heart isnt in it. i mean we never know what to believe in the papers stories. but from what weve been getting so far, its hard to not feel some animosity towards him at the moment.
but as someone said earlier lets wait and see.
He should be thanking us, who says he'd be the players he's become under a different manager and coaching system at a different club?
It's very easy to not court attention. He could categorically state he isn't going anywhere everytime he's asked. That would stop the speculation pretty quickly, there's only so long Marca can pedal the same story til they look daft, and Madrid supporters get pissed off because they can't understand why the best players aren't moving to them
What's a contract extension going to solve? He's already got 4 years left!
it's funny how people compare Ronaldo's loyalty to Rooney...one is an Englishman born in an area not too far from Old Trafford, who watched the premier league every week as a kid and dreamt of playing for the biggest clubs in England, while the other is from another planet. If Rooney and Ronaldo were both bought by Real at 18, Rooney would've been the more desperate player to be transfered to United at 23 than live in a country with a different culture and language all-together. Some people make it seem as if Rooney and Ronaldo's preferences and backgrounds are identical and hence they should both have the same desires and goals.
He's not said anything specifically about madrid though, has he?
What happened to quotes like:
"i'll stay" - right after the CL Final
"I'm at the right club" - player awards
"i have said a million times that I want to stay" (despite finishing that interview off with "no one knows the future".
Remember 2006 lads, don't you remember? Right after the Rooney, incident, world cup drama.
"I think its difficult to stay at Manchester"
"If I go, its ok.....If I stay, its also ok"
What happened huh?
- New song created "that boy ronaldo, makes england look shite"
- Leads us to a championship when everyone thought we were dead and buried in the fury of liverpoo, arse and chelski
- Sings along, hand gestures and all, to his own songs after we win the prem....
- 2007/2008...record breaking, 42 goals.
- Champions of the League, Champions of Europe. Singlehandedly brought us there.....
He's always been a difficult fella. All geniuses are slightly difficult and eccentric, maybe even attention seeking - best, cantona, keano all had their demons.
I'm supporting him, till he is officially gone.
good idea
Well, he has said that he wants to play in Spain one day, so the media just keep pressing him on that. And I repeat, he is just not intelligent enough nor a good enough orator to be able to deal with that.
@ your Rooney comment. (Although I don't see its relevance to this discussoin). Rooney was playing for fecking Everton who barely avoided the drop. United came calling and he was off , Moyes or no Moyes.It was more to do with being at a successful club than the manager thing.
Which is not everything when it comes to football. Even Torres gave Athletico loads of time before he finally moved with their blessing when every man and dog in Spain was calling him to join any of the big two to improve himself. He let on Everton supporters with once a blue, always a blue nonsense. Ronaldo actually has always been open about playing in spain. It was also exactly the same situation as well then because Rooney too then did not come out and clear the air.
And I said this earlier. It is a matter of fact that Real are seen as a bigger club than United in Europe mainland despite the circus surrounding them. We may not agree with it but that's just how it is for them. It's like Arsenal could win the treble but United would always been seen as the bigger club than them in UK.
But there is difference between Spanish and Portuguese languages and backgrounds.
But the big point is players desire to move to a bigger club as Brad pointed earlier. This is the biggest club he can be at.
And Rooney's status with Everton fans at that point of time was such that if wanted to stay they would have had to sack Moyes instead of selling him.
Spot on.
Well, he has said that he wants to play in Spain one day, so the media just keep pressing him on that. And I repeat, he is just not intelligent enough nor a good enough orator to be able to deal with that.
So your defence for Ronaldo is that he's thick?!
The relevance was that someone else, in fact a couple of people now, have brought Rooney into this debate for comparison
Fact is Bahamared nailed it. Players at United don't act like this, it's very rare to see such behaviour. And I don't care how good a player he is, it isn't on. People are making many excuses for him, but I'm sorry, he's a professional player here at United, we've shown faith in his, he repays it. If he wants to leave, he shouldn't keep signing new contracts should he, which of course he does because of the pay increase each time. He's had opportunity to quell this speculation, and he doesn't take it, he continually stokes it. Out of order
This may be controversial, but I wonder if the ones getting more irritated by this are the people that have been born and raised under the fine traditions United as a club uphold. At the end of the day, if he goes, we get a massive transfer fee, we move on. If he stays, we have the best player in the world. I'm not bothered either way. It's the way it is bein conducted, and the attitude, arrogance and disloyalty I construe is being shown
Portugese and Spanish have much more in common than Portugese and English, this shouldn't be that hard to understand.
Of course United is the biggest club. But why would most South Americans and latin players prefer to play in serie A and la liga than ply their trade in the Premier League? Ever wondered why some young brazilian or Argentine prodigy growing up as a kid watches the Spanish league more than the premiership? Because they prefer playing for the likes of barca and madrid while the British players prefer to play for the likes of United and Liverpool (not so much
). Ronaldo is no differernt, he wasn't born in Salford or in Merseyside like Rooney, nor did he watch the premier league every week like Rooney did. That's the truth I'm afraid, as frustrating as it may seem.He can't and I think he knows it, even if some of his family don't.
What he can do - and this is where the timing question kicks in - is fantasise about going to Madrid and kicking off a new round of glory (like Ronaldinho and Barca)
Chase your dreams is a great slogan, but when the dreams are in conflict with one another (because I also believe he wants to be part of a United team that can win everything and be remembered as an all-time great) then it's not a guide to action.
Portugese and Spanish have much more in common than Portugese and English, this shouldn't be that hard to understand.
Of course United is the biggest club. But why would most South Americans and latin players prefer to play in serie A and la liga than ply their trade in the Premier League? Ever wondered why some young brazilian or Argentine prodigy growing up as a kid watch the Spanish league more than the premiership? Because they prefer playing for the likes of barca and madrid while the British players prefer to play for the likes of United and Liverpool (not so much
Well I think the work permits have a say in moving to Spain or Italy first over England as well.
Portugese and Spanish have much more in common than Portugese and English, this shouldn't be that hard to understand.
Of course United is the biggest club. But why would most South Americans and latin players prefer to play in serie A and la liga than ply their trade in the Premier League? Ever wondered why some young brazilian or Argentine prodigy growing up as a kid watch the Spanish league more than the premiership? Because they prefer playing for the likes of barca and madrid while the British players prefer to play for the likes of United and Liverpool (not so much
But the difference between spain and Portugal is surely bigger than Liverpool and Manchester
The reason South American prefer Seria A and la liga is because these leagues have dominated Europe for decades, and PL was nothing like it is today. But as the standards in English are getting better than elsewhere, i am sure you can see the surge in number of Brazilians and Argentinians already.
In Ronaldo's case, i understand he has desire to play in Spain, but he is not even anywhere near his peak yet, and he looks so desperate to go at this age, and coming out with same bollox every interview. All i can say is he is showing lack of respect to the fans and the club.
Its hardly a defense. Just my take on one of the reasons behind all this bollocks.
Ronaldo is the first Portugese/Latin player to have made it this big at United. Hes wanted by those cnuts at Real, and the media keep sticking it in every which way possible. So I don't think we can compare his situation to others at the club.
I've been a United fan all my life, as is my Dad. Its just that I chose to see this situation in a more pragmatic and realistic way.
I'm really confused!! Part of me thinks this is just hardball contract negotiations by Ronaldo and then I see SAF's comments and I think feck he wants to go and he'll be impossible to replace. Then another part of me thinks £75m + Robinho + Someone else and i think SOLD!
But the difference between spain and Portugal is surely bigger than Liverpool and Mancdhester
The reason South American prefer Seria A and la liga is because these leagues have dominated Europe for decades, and PL was nothing like it is today. But as the standards in English are getting better than elsewhere, i am sure you can see the surge in number of Brazilians and Argentinians already.
In Ronaldo's case, i understand he has desire to play in Spain, but he is not even anywhere near his peak yet, and he looks so desperate to go at this age, and coming out with same bollox every interview. All i can say is he is showing lack of respect to the fans and the club.
correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't English teams won as many European cups as their Spanish and Italian counterparts? 11 times? If so, then that arguments doesn't hold much water, does it?
the recent increase in the number of brazilians and other south americans is mainly down to the money available to the Premier League clubs due to the massive TV deals and the influx fo the sugar daddies into the premier league who splash the cash for these foreigners, the record increases in teh wages of over £1 billion last season illustrate this.
I agree with you in that he's still got a good few years to go to reach his peak and he can move to spain in the next few years and still be the best in the world, that's why I hope he stays at least a couple of more years since we're the team who made him the player he is today, not Real fecking Madrid.
hmmm...over 700 messages discussing his future. Will we ever make it to 3000 messages by the end of euro 2008?
We need to speed up Rooney's potential development next season and play him in his most favorite position...so we don't have to focus on Ronaldo every single time. If Ronaldo eventually does leave after next season, there won't be that much a void to fill.
We need to speed up Rooney's potential development next season and play him in his most favorite position...so we don't have to focus on Ronaldo every single time. If Ronaldo eventually does leave after next season, there won't be that much a void to fill.
True but 5 of those have been won by Liverpool who are not even PL contenders, and 2 by Nottingham forest who are no where near PL.
On the other hand Real still Spanish champions won it 9 times while AC won it 7 times. I guess that makes sense.
I agree on your point about more money on offer. More money, hence more chances of silverware in Europe.
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