Best let the club down at least as badly, though in a different way. In his case it was a lack of professionalism and commitment. In my view, Ronaldo hasn't done anything seriously wrong, yet, though he would help the club if he was less equivocal. I'll judge him on whether he asks for a transfer this summer or whether he remains loyal to the club.
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Best let the club down at least as badly, though in a different way. In his case it was a lack of professionalism and commitment. In my view, Ronaldo hasn't done anything seriously wrong, yet, though he would help the club if he was less equivocal. I'll judge him on whether he asks for a transfer this summer or whether he remains loyal to the club.
Heylo, my name iz Ronnie. I do zee stepoverz. No turacking back. I wax my chest.
... quite a shite champion he is.
... quite a shite champion he is.
the crux of the matter and the fact that some people don't seem to be understanding very well. comparing him to other players in the club's history isn't very fair, especially the British ones. Ronaldo is a very unique player, not only is he the best player in the world at only 23, something which neither Giggs, nor Scholes or Neville were, but he's got an amazing marketability potential, something which Madrid know can make their club's value skyrocket even more.
Liverpool didn't win all their 5 cups in their barren years though, did they? the fact is that south americans simply prefer the spanish and italian leagues more than the English league and your point about the spanish domination of europe simply wasn't true, as I brought up the number of cups won by each country. It's for the same reason that players from Wales, Ireland and Scotland prefer to play in England than in Serie A or la liga, mainly due to the cultural similarities and the footballing styles they play in these countries.
United players?
Like whom?
Who, in this era of football, has been courted by Real Madrid and come out and said "Do one" ?
Nobody. Because for all the great players we've had, none of them have been considered the best player in the world. Just Ronaldo.
And if in the future the same thing happened with Nani or Anderson they would act the same way or possibly worse. There's no guarantee Rooney would act differently either - though he's more likely to being British and more down to earth.
Point is, when you're the best player in the world and Real Madrid will do absolutely anything to sign you, history says you aren't going to come out and say "Thanks but no thanks."
That doesn't mean everyone they want ends up signing for them. Just that the player doesn't come out and tell them he's not interested right away.
As far as I know personally, nobody has done that and so its unfair to expect Ronaldo to do that just because he's our player - as I think only a few of our players would do that in his position and those few we have are more than most clubs.
But the difference between spain and Portugal is surely bigger than Liverpool and Manchester
The reason South American prefer Seria A and la liga is because these leagues have dominated Europe for decades, and PL was nothing like it is today. But as the standards in English are getting better than elsewhere, i am sure you can see the surge in number of Brazilians and Argentinians already.
In Ronaldo's case, i understand he has desire to play in Spain, but he is not even anywhere near his peak yet, and he looks so desperate to go at this age, and coming out with same bollox every interview. All i can say is he is showing lack of respect to the fans and the club.
eh....not really. prior to Heysel, English clubs dominated Europe, right on from the late sixties. then the ban happened and English football had to catch up. it's done, and normal service has been resumed.
it's more a culture thing, as well as the ease with which Latin American players can obtain forged passports and a lack of the work permit thing in Europe.
wasn't kaka also linked highly with a move to real before signing that long-term contract with milan?
Some players joined the club because they wanted to play in the same side as Ronaldo. Anderson and Nani, I believe the two Brazilian kids as well. This is one of the plus points for having the best player in the world. If we can bring in another huge prospect this summer, it'd be well worth it.
Yes he was. But as far as I know, he didn't actually come out and say "I'd like to stay rather than go to Real. Thanks but no thanks" and there were weeks/months of speculation in the summer.
We could and hopefully will finish up with the same thing. The player staying, on a better contract.
that is how I recall it also Ekeke and why I keep my optimism of ronnie staying. As long as Fergie is at the helm Ronnie ain't going nowhere.
We can compare him to Hargreaves though - who played quite happily for Munich and won 4 Bundesligas and a CL but who was pleased to be asked to come "home" even though it was to a country he'd never lived in.
A few years of playing abroad and a lot of players wonder about moving back to somewhere more like home - some players don't even survive past the first year. And some of the ones who didn't enjoy their foreign trips came home to United (Denis Law and Mark Hughes for example)
Some players don't have to leave home, family and friends, learn to handle a new language and life to come to United. And there aren't many English "pioneers" who actually did make it big overseas - at least not big enough to make a foreign move sound attractive to United's local talent.
Obviously I'd prefer Ronaldo to have kept quiet about his interest in Spain, particularly immediately after a CL final and I'd have prefered him to lie about any uncertainty he had about his future. I'm annoyed about that and I'd like him to hire me as his P.R. consultant but if he comes back I'll be pleased and if he leaves I'll be disappointed, and either way I'll say, thanks - it's been good
nah, Hargreaves is an English international, their parents were both from England and his uncle played for Bolton, in other words, England is very much where Hargreaves would've liked to have played in when growing up as a kid. the fact that Bayern spotted him in Calgary and brought him to Germany is very much like our situation with Ronnie, we got him before Real could and now he's wanted by the Spanish cnuts like Hargreaves was wanted by us last 2 seasons, and both players like to play for the team courting them, Hargraeves is living his dream, Ronaldo may do so in future 
So in that sense it is comparable I guess...
So in that sense it is comparable I guess...It's reet polemic.
Sir Alex Ferguson claims the Glazer family, the owners of Manchester United, share his determination to keep star player Cristiano Ronaldo away from Real Madrid.
United have threatened to report Real to world governing body FIFA over what they claim are attempts to unsettle Ronaldo by the Spanish giants.
"Their attitude is, 'To hell with them'," Ferguson said of the Glazers. "They'd sit a player in the stand, I'm telling you, absolutely no doubt about it, just to prove a point. Not to give in to these people."
Real have repeatedly made known their desire to sign the Portuguese winger but United are firm in their conviction the player will not be sold.
Ferguson claims the Glazers are equally unimpressed with Real and says they would keep the player even if a hypothetical situation arose where he refused to play for United.
The Scot said: "I've had a couple of meetings with the Glazers.
"They've got balls, I can tell you. I've been delighted with them in that respect."
The Glazers took over United in an £800million deal in the summer of 2005. Their arrival caused huge ructions among fans due to the debt they placed on the club.
Ferguson, however, has been delighted with the support of the Americans since their regime began.
United have threatened to report Real to world governing body FIFA over what they claim are attempts to unsettle Ronaldo by the Spanish giants.
"Their attitude is, 'To hell with them'," Ferguson said of the Glazers. "They'd sit a player in the stand, I'm telling you, absolutely no doubt about it, just to prove a point. Not to give in to these people."
Real have repeatedly made known their desire to sign the Portuguese winger but United are firm in their conviction the player will not be sold.
Ferguson claims the Glazers are equally unimpressed with Real and says they would keep the player even if a hypothetical situation arose where he refused to play for United.
The Scot said: "I've had a couple of meetings with the Glazers.
"They've got balls, I can tell you. I've been delighted with them in that respect."
The Glazers took over United in an £800million deal in the summer of 2005. Their arrival caused huge ructions among fans due to the debt they placed on the club.
Ferguson, however, has been delighted with the support of the Americans since their regime began.
We should get Figo on a free. That'll keep him here.
nah, Hargreaves is an English international, their parents were both from England and his uncle played for Bolton, in other words, England is very much where Hargreaves would've liked to have played in when growing up as a kid. the fact that Bayern spotted him in Calgary and brought him to Germany is very much like our situation with Ronnie, we got him before Real could and now he's wanted by the Spanish cnuts like Hargreaves was wanted by us last 2 seasons, and both players like to play for the team courting them, Hargraeves is living his dream, Ronaldo may do so in future
Agreed. But it also made footballing sense for Hargreaves to move as Bayern were stagnating. It doesn't make any sense for Ronaldo to move yet because we're European Champions.
aye, if Ronnie moves it won't be due to footballing reasons as this is the best club on the planet and he's the jewel in a side that could become our greatest ever team
I'd rather let both Ronaldo and Rooney go than sign that backstabbing overrated cnut.
And If Sir Alex goes to Euro cup, to persuade Ronaldo to stay at Untied, my respect for him will surely decrease. Is Ronaldo bigger than this club? NO fecking way.
If Ronaldo wants to go, let him.
If Ronaldo wants to go, let him.
Like Rio during his protracted negotiations, it will take a long time for Ronaldo to get his respect back - assuming he stays.
United>Ronaldo
United>SAF
United>Ronaldo
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The thing is though there are only 2 maybe 3 clubs in the world who can before Ronaldo. Even if he never had any interest in joining them as un pleasant as it sounds if he comes out and says he has no interest in playing for them where does that leave him in future contact negotiations?
Brilliant comments by Ferguson, glad that the manager and the owners take a stand against calderon and his shite club.
I see just like after the 2006 world cup the muppets are out in full force once again.
During the season I dismissed all talk of Ronaldo going to Madrid. He'd be crazy to go, I thought, because in footballing terms Madrid are clearly a step below us at the moment. That could change of course, but Madrid no longer looked like a step up for a player, the way it did for Beckham five years ago. Also we'd built a team around Ronnie, a very successful one, and you never know what sort of team you're going to get at Madrid - they've gone out in teh first knockout round of the CL for the last four years running, and at any moment you might get total chaos in the boardroom and on the pitch. Not the best thing for a player's career, or his game, to flourish.
But the fact that Ferguson is in the press now saying that the club would rather sit him than sell indicates to me that Ronaldo really does want to go. And after Ronaldo and Real have been negotiating the fee through the press for the last two weeks, now United are doing the same. "You want him? feck off, we don't have to sell. So if you really do want him, you'd best bring a truck full of money. Otherwise don't bother."
So unless Ronaldo is in the papers within the next two days saying "I love United, I absolutely don't want to leave, I don't know why there's been such a fuss, I don't want to go anywhere", I think he'll be off. And even if he does say that, he might still be off next summer. Regardless of how it ends, my estimation of him has been greatly diminished over the past two weeks. I know he wants a bigger contract, but the way he's gone about it has been completely classless, and disrepectful to the club and the fans. Especially after the season we've had - and the fact that we could play as well if not better next season, and the season after that. Makes it look like all he wants is more money, and perhaps more attention. Because no club is better placed to succeed on the pitch next season.
Very disappointing, Ronaldo. But the club will carry on, and contend for trophies next season with or without him.
But the fact that Ferguson is in the press now saying that the club would rather sit him than sell indicates to me that Ronaldo really does want to go. And after Ronaldo and Real have been negotiating the fee through the press for the last two weeks, now United are doing the same. "You want him? feck off, we don't have to sell. So if you really do want him, you'd best bring a truck full of money. Otherwise don't bother."
So unless Ronaldo is in the papers within the next two days saying "I love United, I absolutely don't want to leave, I don't know why there's been such a fuss, I don't want to go anywhere", I think he'll be off. And even if he does say that, he might still be off next summer. Regardless of how it ends, my estimation of him has been greatly diminished over the past two weeks. I know he wants a bigger contract, but the way he's gone about it has been completely classless, and disrepectful to the club and the fans. Especially after the season we've had - and the fact that we could play as well if not better next season, and the season after that. Makes it look like all he wants is more money, and perhaps more attention. Because no club is better placed to succeed on the pitch next season.
Very disappointing, Ronaldo. But the club will carry on, and contend for trophies next season with or without him.
If by that you mean the people who are upset over Ronaldo's actions, looks like you can add Sir Alex Ferguson to the cast of the (Muppet) show.
If you mean the people who take it much too far, well. Bound to be a few.
Pretty much spot on.
Yesterday I was sure itwas all about a new contract. Now I'm pretty convinced he really is off and it's all about milking Real for every penny.
So obvious really, but so few contributing to this debate make the effort to put themselves in Ronaldo's shoes.
If SAF decides he needs to meet face to face with Ronaldo it won't reduce my respect for him. Whatever argument I may sometimes have with his tactics, I've never doubted him as a man manager.
As a manager if one of your key staff, who you thought was enjoying their job, suddenly announces an intention to leave you talk to them about it.
- to find out what's gone wrong
- to make sure it's not fixable
- to understand why you didn't see it coming
- if there's a contractual issue, to try and resolve it without going to court
- if you don't think it's entirely their choice, to make them look you in the eye and tell you that it's what they want, and if it isn't, then to try and find out why they're doing it.
If SAF or CQ doesn't want to talk to him (and given the timing that may well mean them visiting Switzerland) it's because they think they know the answers.
United were there before Ron, they'll be there after. But I'd rather see Ron play for us in next year's CL than against us.
Top post. I'm not as convinced now about this whole thing. He's not really doing anything to put our minds to complete rest, as the whole thing is still up in the air.
Yet another post which ignores what SAF has told us about the Glazers; he's going nowhere even if he wants to. United effectively own him for the next four years, and the Glazers have shown their true value to the club we all love by showing that Yankee grit and cussed determination not to let anybody walk all over them. I repeat 'we'd sit him in the stands rather than let Real get him'. That's what you CALL balls. Caftards are clearly in denial, so entrenched is the culture of Glazers = The Great Satan.
I might dig out some of my several posts recently vehemently opposing this mistaken, but very prevalent idea.
I'm not obsessed with Glazer hate but I can see what is going on. There is no way United are going to force Ronaldo to stay and it is just case now of getting as much money as possible or trying to turn his head back our way.
the thing that bothers and irretates me is the fact that ronaldo say different things all the time. "I love playing for this club" 1 week later. "I don't know yet where my future is, i'll decide over the next weeks". Aswell his praise for his manager and that he never would leave as long Ferguson is there.
Had it been another player, let's say Carrick, then we would have hanged him for trying to milk more money for a better contract, or we all would tell him to go. Just becuse it's ronaldo...
Had it been another player, let's say Carrick, then we would have hanged him for trying to milk more money for a better contract, or we all would tell him to go. Just becuse it's ronaldo...
Whatever balls you may happen to have, you can't have an asset worth over 50 Million gathering cobwebs - especially when we most likely have to spend some of the proceeds on replacing Ronaldo.
Unless Ronaldo does a full circle, and dismisses the speculation we are basically in negotiating mode.
I'm not at all sure you're right. Never underestimate the Glazers; they know Ronaldo's true value, just as they were the only ones to understand United's true potential. Ronaldo is possibly the only player in the world today who can bring to United exactly what the Glazers desire; that cachet of glamour and excellence which does more than anything else to enhance the image and standing of the club worldwide, and which in turn can be used to add value to the club. If Ronnie went to Real, or anywhere else, that potential would disappear, and worse, would give a competitor the potential to exploit that opportunity.
When they say we'll sit him in the stands rather than allow a competitor to use him to advantage they ain't angling for a few bob more, they're displaying an understanding of just how much he means to their asset and the determination to keep him whatever it takes.
He'll get a shock if hes not careful too; he's playing with some very big boys indeed right now.
Talking in riddles?
Ronaldo is not stupid, he's hedging his bets just in case it goes wrong, then the sound bites will be I love United, Fergie, the fans, etc....
I agree. I reckon he's off. Rumours have it that he'll be offered double his United wages. . . plus he's always wanted to play in Spain. I think he's simply won everything at United and will be crowned World and European player of the year, leaving him with nothing more to achieve at Old Trafford. Personally, I think it'll be a mistake on his behalf because he's got everything at United. . .and is a part of a great team.
That said, he may never be worth as much as he's now, so from a business perspective it could be the best time to sell. Whatever Fergie says about the Glazer, they must be thinking of cashing in.
If we were to sell, I hope it wouldn't involve any Real players as a part of the deal. I don't want any of their players. Barca would've been different. . .they've got a few I'd love to have at United.
I think it's safe to say Ramos would be bloody useful to have and Id love to see what Fergie could make of Robinho.
I doubt they'd make Ramos a part of the deal. Robinho, yes. (I've never really been that impressed with the Brazilian, though.)
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