ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation

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Brad said:
:lol: fecking hell, what kind of logic is that?!?!

Imagine if the burden of proof in the courtroom was that the defendant must declare "I murdered him" to be convicted. No one would ever be jailed! You judge someone off behaviour and evidence. Sometimes what someone doesn't say is just as condemning as what they do say. Ronaldo has kept Madrid interested, and put the ball in their court

I notice you didn't comment on my behaviour scenarios...
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Ramon Calderon needs Ronaldo, he is disliked by the Madrid supporters and Ronaldo is the plyer he has to produce. He has been warned to back off with the public statements so he will use players reporters or anything/anyone else to try and temp Ronaldo and push him into asking for a move and yet so far there has been nothing like that from player or agent.
 
BahamaRed said:
Oh dear. Still head in the sand I see. When EVERY news source, including the one's I respect and read regularly, accept yesterday's report, I tend to accept it too. Although I accept there is the possibility that it is not true.
Brad's description of a player who wants to stay, and one who contemplates leaving, are right on.
I guess your opinions and our opinions are based on life experience.
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You can accept it without drawing the same inferences as yourself (or certain media).
 
Feedingseagulls said:
Sorry, but when you are raging against someone else's inaccuracies, such an immense howler comes across as very amusing.


IMO.
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Like when you, the dullest man on this forum, accuses someone else of being boring you mean?!

Mistyping one word, when its still quite clear what I was referring too, is an immense howler is it? Not at all overly dramatic there are we
 
friendlytramp said:
Scolari has said he won't comment til after the Euros. If he wanted to stay then there would be nothing to comment on and it would indeed put the thing to bed if he came out and said he was staying.

Therefore i think he does want to go, but, as he says he is not going to force uniteds hand, he knows its there decision and he will only go if united can agree a fee, otherwise he will happily play on next year, and perhaps the next year until there comes a point when united do agree a fee with RM, this becoming more and more likely as the end of his contract approaches...
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Quite!

This post should see a close to this thread, until any fresh developments.
 
Brad said:
Well sadly for you, 4 was crucial to that scenario, and he hasn't done it. In fact, he's commented to the contrary



On the basis that the current speculation is whether he will go to Madrid this summer, and he answers "I want to go to Madrid", but it depends on both clubs agreeing a fee
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you don't know that is a quote only a reporters quote.
If he did say " I would be happy with a move to madrid if the two clubs agree a fee " that is logical because he would be unlikely to turn down such a move if the clubs did agree a fee
Who knows what sources from madrid are telling him eg Glazers want to sell they just want more money, he must know about the debt as well as we do and could think that quite likely as many on here do.
 
Fact of the matter is this whole situation won't be dealt with probably until either Ronaldo signs for Madrid or when he comes back for the pre-season.
 
Brad said:
Well sadly for you, 4 was crucial to that scenario, and he hasn't done it. In fact, he's commented to the contrary

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On the basis that the current speculation is whether he will go to Madrid this summer, and he answers "I want to go to Madrid", but it depends on both clubs agreeing a fee
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Nothing he has said is contrary to him wanting to stay at OT next season - find me a direct quote that is!!

We have been given no indication of the context of Ronnie's remark about 'wanting to play for RM' - there is no indication this was in response to a question such as 'where do you want to be next season?' It could have been in response to a question about 'if you play in Spain, for whom would you choose to play?'. 'What would have to occur for that to happen?' - 'They'd have to pay MUFC what they want - me what they say they will - still wouldn't be my decision though.'.

All the journo then has to do is rewrite that with an appropriate gloss and he has you and other media acting like muppets - despite Ronaldo's intentions.

Nothing he has said has given a timeframe as to when he wants to play in Spain.
 
RedPhil1957 said:
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you don't know that is a quote only a reporters quote.
If he did say " I would be happy with a move to madrid if the two clubs agree a fee " that is logical because he would be unlikely to turn down such a move if the clubs did agree a fee
Who knows what sources from madrid are telling him eg Glazers want to sell they just want more money, he must know about the debt as well as we do and could think that quite likely as many on here do.
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If it turns out to be false, more fool me. But Ronaldo said he would comment in a few days, and this would appear to be it. Certainly plenty of other media sources are quoting it and claiming it to have been verified. I certainly haven't seen anyone from the Ronaldo camp come out and deny it, and given they've been blabbing about anything and everything for the past two weeks, that silence appears to be damning

Phil, United aren't going to sell Ronaldo unless he wants to go, and we consider it pointless having a player who doesn't want to be here. It's not as if we're negotiating a fee with Madrid and he is remaining impassive. We've declared he's not going anywhere consistantly over the last 2 weeks. You haven't factored this obvious truth into your logic. He is angling for the move with his comments, and he's put the onus on Madrid to come up with a bid to progress the situation

If you don't believe yesterdays quotes, so be it. But if they are true, the logic of what I say is also true
 
Brad said:
Like when you, the dullest man on this forum, accuses someone else of being boring you mean?!

Mistyping one word, when its still quite clear what I was referring too, is an immense howler is it? Not at all overly dramatic there are we
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It was an immense howler because saying A is not A (even via a typo) is an automatic oxymoron. You'd also just said 'all' Ronaldo's remarks indicated he was moving and blustered/ignored posts pointing out you were talking bullshit.

I found your remarks in this thread boring because you merely said the same thing each time without actually showing any ability to interpret the evidence adequately.

So your contributions were repetitive, irrelevant (and inflammatory) spam.
 
He's talking in riddles for obvious reasons.

He has to keep OT, RM or possibly Barca doors open.

The boy is acting an agents act.
 
FAO Brad

Since we've established you can't disprove the truth of these 2 statements, how about addressing the logic:

ALL his behaviour is consistent with him wanting to stay at MUFC next season but being willing to move to RM in the future.

NOT ALL his behaviour is consistent with him wanting to move this year.

These are both true statements - which suggests the evidence is in favour of him staying. :angel:
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IMO Mendes is a very bad agent. The tactics he is using has alienated just about every Man Utd fan and if he does go, no way will we buy Ronaldos book when it comes out. Nor will we buy our kids Real shirts as we did when Beckham went.

A clever agent would advise his client to keep his existing fanbase sweet by saying something like 'I've had a great time here etc etc but I feel I need to play in another country to develop further'. No-one could argue with that and we would still feel positive towards him in the future.

But the way they have treated the club and supporters is shameful and I dont think I can forgive him.
 
Brad said:
If it turns out to be false, more fool me. But Ronaldo said he would comment in a few days, and this would appear to be it. Certainly plenty of other media sources are quoting it and claiming it to have been verified. I certainly haven't seen anyone from the Ronaldo camp come out and deny it, and given they've been blabbing about anything and everything for the past two weeks, that silence appears to be damning

Phil, United aren't going to sell Ronaldo unless he wants to go, and we consider it pointless having a player who doesn't want to be here. It's not as if we're negotiating a fee with Madrid and he is remaining impassive. We've declared he's not going anywhere consistantly over the last 2 weeks. You haven't factored this obvious truth into your logic. He is angling for the move with his comments, and he's put the onus on Madrid to come up with a bid to progress the situation

If you don't believe yesterdays quotes, so be it. But if they are true, the logic of what I say is also true
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My reasoning is not based on quotes from Ronaldo, his Mum or anyone else but I have looked and read a lot about the way Madrid go about getting a player they want. They use every possible means to unsettle and disrupt, they feed false information to family, friends, agents and the media. I am sure they will have intimated
that the Glazers are quite willing to negotiate with Madrid behind his and fergies back if the fee right
 
Feedingseagulls said:
FAO Brad

Since we've established you can't disprove the truth of these 2 statements, how about addressing the logic:
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I've already disproved your statement, his behaviour isn't consistant with someone who wants to stay. Not remember the post where I outlined the actions of a player who wants to stay at their club, and the player that doesn't?

Sultan said:
He's talking in riddles for obvious reasons.

He has to keep OT, RM or possibly Barca doors open.

The boy is acting an agents act.
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Precisely. It's not that difficult to understand is it? While he's keeping all doors open, I personally think he wants to be playing in Madrid next season given the way this saga has played itself out
 
RedPhil1957 said:
My reasoning is not based on quotes from Ronaldo, his Mum or anyone else but I have looked and read a lot about the way Madrid go about getting a player they want. They use every possible means to unsettle and disrupt, they feed false information to family, friends, agents and the media. I am sure they will have intimated
that the Glazers are quite willing to negotiate with Madrid behind his and fergies back if the fee right
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Yes, unfortunately we're all well aware of how Madrid operate, it's quite disgusting how they seem to be allowed to get away with it without sanction. The problem for is that Ronaldo is doing nothing to dampen the speculation, in fact he's encouraging it
 
So, basically it depends whether Real can stump up the cash then?

I want £100m. First time really, we're having to sell a player we don't want to get rid of.
 
Brad said:
Yes, unfortunately we're all well aware of how Madrid operate, it's quite disgusting how they seem to be allowed to get away with it without sanction. The problem for is that Ronaldo is doing nothing to dampen the speculation, in fact he's encouraging it
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Dodgy websites, Marca, cnutish presidents etc. Horrible club.
 
the portuguese chanell TVI are saying they will show an interview with Ronaldo in a moment.
 
one piece of relevant news:

I saw and heard scolari say that he did not advise Ronaldo to go to Real Madrid. A spanish journo asked scolari why he would advise ronaldo to go to RM when SAF said that the player wasn't going nowhere. The journo said that it was very disrespectful of scolari to say that. Scolari got visibly upset and had a go at the journo. He said that have you ever heard me say such a thing. It looked to me like he had heard it for the first time.

Doesn't matter now. The rags and the millions they infiltrated will forever now remember that Scolari told Ronaldo to go to RM. And that, my friends, that's how the rags take comments out of context. surprised to see so many put stock on it. oooohhh, the guardian, the telegraph, bbc, sky, etc report it so it must be true. :lol:
 
Feedingseagulls said:
FAO Brad

Since we've established you can't disprove the truth of these 2 statements, how about addressing the logic:
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I don't think Ronaldo is particularly bothered about being at United next season. What we can ascertain as fact is that he wants to play for Real Madrid at some stage, if it is next season or not he doesn't mind.
 
Brad said:
Yes, unfortunately we're all well aware of how Madrid operate, it's quite disgusting how they seem to be allowed to get away with it without sanction. The problem for is that Ronaldo is doing nothing to dampen the speculation, in fact he's encouraging it
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That really the only bit we differ on I am not sure he is, I really do not think he is entirely sure what is going on or even what he wants any more.
From a simple quote (not something new) "one day I dream of playing in Spain" to Ronaldo is set for Madrid might be as big a shock to him as us.
 
Dodd said:
one piece of relevant news:

I saw and heard scolari say that he did not advise Ronaldo to go to Real Madrid. A spanish journo asked scolari why he would advise ronaldo to go to RM when SAF said that the player wasn't going nowhere. The journo said that it was very disrespectful of scolari to say that. Scolari got visibly upset and had a go at the journo. He said that have you ever heard me say such a thing. It looked to me like he had heard it for the first time.

Doesn't matter now. The rags and the millions they infiltrated will forever now remember that Scolari told Ronaldo to go to RM. And that, my friends, that's how the rags take comments out of context. surprised to see so many put stock on it. oooohhh, the guardian, the telegraph, bbc, sky, etc report it so it must be true. :lol:
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That was said on here but there's been no report anywhere on it. I posted the Scolari interview today and it said nothing like that. What's your source. Such a thing wpould have been all over the media by now.
 
Brad said:
I've already disproved your statement, his behaviour isn't consistant with someone who wants to stay. Not remember the post where I outlined the actions of a player who wants to stay at their club, and the player that doesn't?
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Except you are in fact claiming he wants to move this summer - the best you have actually established is that he probably doesn't want to stay with us forever.

In contrast I claimed:

'ALL his behaviour is consistent with him wanting to stay at MUFC next season but being willing to move to RM in the future.

NOT ALL his behaviour is consistent with him wanting to move this year.'

Nothing you have said disproves that.




In fact, if you want to go further, nothing he has said is inconsistent with him deciding to stay with us for the rest of his playing career - he probably wants to play for both Madrid and us - which will win out at which stages of his career we will have to wait & see.
 
Rahul said:
113 pages

And this thread is still not a sticky :lol:
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Why would it not to be a sticky. It's the only big story this summer so far least before and during Euro 2008. That is until we manage to clinch Ramsey hopefully.
 
BahamaRed said:
That was said on here but there's been no report anywhere on it. I posted the Scolari interview today and it said nothing like that. What's your source. Such a thing wpould have been all over the media by now.
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When the report first came out in Spain the portugese media did say it was rubbish and he never said that
 
BahamaRed said:
That was said on here but there's been no report anywhere on it. I posted the Scolari interview today and it said nothing like that. What's your source. Such a thing wpould have been all over the media by now.
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I saw it on the portuguese channel on my tv. more specifically, the rtp news. I'm fluent in both spanish and portuguese.
 
jojojo said:
Top 10 players by media value: 1. Cristiano Ronaldo (20.5), 2. Messi (12.3), 3. Rooney (12.3), 4. Ronaldinho (12.1), 5. Drogba (10.9), 6. Torres (9.8), 7. Kaka (9.8), 8. Beckham (9.6), 9. Gerrard (9.5), 10. Lampard (9.2)

Top teams by media value: 1. Manchester Unted (81.2), 2. FC Barcelona (80.3); 3. Chelsea (64)

Estimation of fair transfer value of top players. Cristiano Ronaldo: 83 miilions of euro; Fernando Torres (63), Kaka (60), Messi (59), Cesc (50), Ronaldinho (35)
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I doubt anyone could get Messi for £40 odd million.
 
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