ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation

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Dodd said:
one piece of relevant news:

I saw and heard scolari say that he did not advise Ronaldo to go to Real Madrid. A spanish journo asked scolari why he would advise ronaldo to go to RM when SAF said that the player wasn't going nowhere. The journo said that it was very disrespectful of scolari to say that. Scolari got visibly upset and had a go at the journo. He said that have you ever heard me say such a thing. It looked to me like he had heard it for the first time.

Doesn't matter now. The rags and the millions they infiltrated will forever now remember that Scolari told Ronaldo to go to RM. And that, my friends, that's how the rags take comments out of context. surprised to see so many put stock on it. oooohhh, the guardian, the telegraph, bbc, sky, etc report it so it must be true. :lol:
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:D

Way back, I did an analysis of what could be deduced from what Scolari was known to have said and suggested there was no evidence that he'd advised Christiano to move. Brad and Bahama would probably have been saying I had my head in the sand!

:lol::lol::lol:
 
Feedingseagulls said:
Except you are in fact claiming he wants to move this summer - the best you have actually established is that he probably doesn't want to stay with us forever.

In contrast I claimed:

'ALL his behaviour is consistent with him wanting to stay at MUFC next season but being willing to move to RM in the future.

NOT ALL his behaviour is consistent with him wanting to move this year.'

Nothing you have said disproves that.

In fact, if you want to go further, nothing he has said is inconsistent with him deciding to stay with us for the rest of his playing career - he probably wants to play for both Madrid and us - which will win out at which stages of his career we will have to wait & see.
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Once again, I remind you that I outlined the two scenarios of a player that wants to go, and wants to stay, with Ronaldo acting out the former, disproving your incorrect assertion. You can keep claiming it, doesn't make it anymore right though

Feeding, you seem to think he has to state he wants to play at Madrid next season directly, to believe he wants to go. If he did that, and United refuse to sell, where would that leave him next year? In a horrible position. So the best he can do is keep it vaguer, but still indicate to Madrid that he wants them to stump up the cash for a transfer. Hence declaring he wants to join them, and that he'd go if the clubs could agree a fee. United don't want to sell, so what's the point of making that statement? Your logic is flawed
 
BahamaRed said:
That was said on here but there's been no report anywhere on it. I posted the Scolari interview today and it said nothing like that. What's your source. Such a thing wpould have been all over the media by now.
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im portuguese i heard him say that,just cause you dont find a link it doesnt mean it didnt happen.
 
WeasteDevil said:
It shouldn't even be in this forum!
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Not sure, this is the biggest story of the summer and more than just transfer gossip. There are also huge ramfications of the whole story as Spoonov states, if we were to sell Ronaldo it would be the first time we have let go of a player we really wanted to keep.
 
Feedingseagulls said:
Agreed - but that is what Brad and Bahamared seem to be claiming he has said.
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No it isn't. And that you think that shows how clueless you are at the moment. We're saying his behaviour indicates he wants to leave, and he is encouraging Madrids interest. You seem obsessed with whether he has categorically stated he will leave, when that actually doesn't have a bearing on whether or not he wants to go. He can want to go, make it clear he wants to go, but not state categorically he wants to go. Have you never watched a politician in action?
 
Feedingseagulls said:
:D

Way back, I did an analysis of what could be deduced from what Scolari was known to have said and suggested there was no evidence that he'd advised Christiano to move. Brad and Bahama would probably have been saying I had my head in the sand!

:lol::lol::lol:
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heh, was that you? I was going to search for the bloke that deduced the right meaning of what Scolari had said. spot on, mate.
 
Figo said that Ronaldo should go to Real.
money grabbing whore advising another money grabbing whore.
 
ricardinho said:
Figo said that Ronaldo should go to Real.
money grabbing whore advising another money grabbing whore.
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Well Figo did the unthinkable of leaving Barcelona for Real Madrid. A lot of my respect for him went down after that.
 
im waiting for that interview,all this noise and he probably not talk about anything other than the euro.
 
Feedingseagulls said:
:D

Way back, I did an analysis of what could be deduced from what Scolari was known to have said and suggested there was no evidence that he'd advised Christiano to move. Brad and Bahama would probably have been saying I had my head in the sand!

:lol::lol::lol:
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Not at all. I never believed that "quote". And many others didn't either.
Further, I see nowhere where he said he "didn't advise Ronnie to move."
You base your :D and your :lol: on a report that hasn't appeared anywhere.
Not surprised though.
 
feck you Figo, you deserve to have pig head thrown at you.

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Luis Figo, who has recently been added to Portugal's coaching staff for Euro 2008, made very clear to ABola

"If Cristiano asks me, I'll tell him 'Go to Madrid. Without doubt, go to Madrid, Cristiano.' Real Madrid is the biggest club in the world, the absolute tops in terms of clubs, the best... it's almost like touching the sky. Because of this, nobody can feel bad about a move to Real Madrid."
 
Brad said:
Once again, I remind you that I outlined the two scenarios of a player that wants to go, and wants to stay, with Ronaldo acting out the former, disproving your incorrect assertion. You can keep claiming it, doesn't make it anymore right though

Feeding, you seem to think he has to state he wants to play at Madrid next season directly, to believe he wants to go. If he did that, and United refuse to sell, where would that leave him next year? In a horrible position. So the best he can do is keep it vaguer, but still indicate to Madrid that he wants them to stump up the cash for a transfer. Hence declaring he wants to join them, and that he'd go if the clubs could agree a fee. United don't want to sell, so what's the point of making that statement? Your logic is flawed
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All you did was spell out a 'staying scenario' to which Ronaldo had not adhered. That he wasn't within that scenario doesn't show he's leaving. Likewise, the adherence of some of his behaviour to the leaving scenario doesn't mean he's leaving. You also need to remember you often think of the 'spin' as the 'fact'.

I think that if we want to assert, as you and others do, that he wants to go this summer then there should be some eviodence for that.

Instead, all I see is evidence that he would be favourably inclined to playing for RM sometime ('ceteris paribus'). We also have evidence that he does not believe it is his choice at this time, and that he would like to play for us next year. All of this is from direct quotes.

So, in summary, I see more evidence for him wanting to be with us next season than evidence of him wanting to transfer THIS SUMMER.
 
Kelvin said:
feck you Figo, you deserve to have pig head thrown at you.

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Luis Figo, who has recently been added to Portugal's coaching staff for Euro 2008, made very clear to ABola

"If Cristiano asks me, I'll tell him 'Go to Madrid. Without doubt, go to Madrid, Cristiano.' Real Madrid is the biggest club in the world, the absolute tops in terms of clubs, the best... it's almost like touching the sky. Because of this, nobody can feel bad about a move to Real Madrid."
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thats what i was talking about.
 
There is only one player in my time supporting United that I was truly heartbroken and gutted to see go, and that was Eric Cantona. I was in despair when he went.

Hand on heart I cant say I will feel the same if Ronaldo goes, while I recognise what an amazing player he is.

Once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave the club, and pubically states that, there is only one word to say to them - Goodbye!
 
Brad said:
No it isn't. And that you think that shows how clueless you are at the moment. We're saying his behaviour indicates he wants to leave...
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Yes, but the open questions are when and how much.

Does he want it to happen this summer?

Does he want to play for RM more than he wants to develop with us?

He can 'want to play for them' but other circumstances might mean that other desires over-ride that.

So 'indicating he wants to leave' needs to be placed in the context of all his actual pronouncements and over his possible career timeframe - something you refuse to do. If we do place it in context then I think the current motivation to leave is very small.
 
Dodd said:
heh, was that you? I was going to search for the bloke that deduced the right meaning of what Scolari had said. spot on, mate.
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I suggested the focus was on the opportunities of the upcoming competition and needing to take advantage of this one-off opportunity without getting distracted by other matters.
 
There is only one thing that we can do...

Let us invade a Real Madrid forum
 
Feedingseagulls said:
All you did was spell out a 'staying scenario' to which Ronaldo had not adhered. That he wasn't within that scenario doesn't show he's leaving. Likewise, the adherence of some of his behaviour to the leaving scenario doesn't mean he's leaving. You also need to remember you often think of the 'spin' as the 'fact'.

I think that if we want to assert, as you and others do, that he wants to go this summer then there should be some eviodence for that.

Instead, all I see is evidence that he would be favourably inclined to playing for RM sometime ('ceteris paribus'). We also have evidence that he does not believe it is his choice at this time, and that he would like to play for us next year. All of this is from direct quotes.

So, in summary, I see more evidence for him wanting to be with us next season than evidence of him wanting to transfer THIS SUMMER.
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Well then we beg to differ, I'm bored argueing with you now

I'm fairly content that the likes of Bahama, Ralphie, Sultan, A1Dan etc, esteemed posters, are thinking along the same lines. Even if we're all wrong in the end, there is clear behavioural evidence that Ronaldo wants to go now if we all think that way. Whilst you have Jasonrh defending you, with remarks like Wes Brown being on the same money as Ronaldo :smirk:
 
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