I'm not sure what's concrete about that. The guys just giving an opinion, quite a good one, but he's still just talking about the same alleged quote. If I recorded what I thought about it and stuck it on the internet would that make it news worthy?
ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation
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I'm not sure what's concrete about that. The guys just giving an opinion, quite a good one, but he's still just talking about the same alleged quote. If I recorded what I thought about it and stuck it on the internet would that make it news worthy?
In a nutshell, Ronnie''s calling Madrids' bluff
Search out Julio Gomes in the thread and look for a post by me at around 1am.
I typed up a transcript from that interivew last night.
If you don't mind waiting a bit, i'll find a direct link for you myself.
I'd be more worried about the next year (2010) than celebrating this goals. Would you feel comfortable if you knew deep down that he's as good as gone the next year?
Sure he has had these little sagas in the past years, but this year it's blown way out of proportion. He's 23 and moving into his prime, if he really wants to go then I doubt he would wait any longer. I just think that a major decision will be made this summer.
Oh? Well he hasn't done a particularly good job of it then has he. On several occasions he's now intimated he either has a decision to make, he doesn't know where he'll be, and that he wants to play in Madrid next season if possible
Pogue Mahone said:
Well, I would have acted with some class and dignity. I wouldn't have said anything in public whatsoever, I would have kept any negotiations and thoughts completely behind closed doors. I wouldn't have signed a contract binding me to the club for 5 years last summer
Pogue Mahone said:
How do you know he isn't finding the decision particularly easy? What is difficult is that he knows it isn't his decision, and while he may be hopeful, United aren't going to sell him. If the fans do get on his back at all next season, it's entirely his own fault for the way he's behaved
Except this journalist HAS been hanging around the Portuguese squad...
I know what you're saying. Difficult isn't it. The point for me is that if he pulls on the United shirt come August then he's entitled to me full support from the stands (as this is actually the only place that it matters despite what some people think). I know it happened with Rio but really can't see him getting booed or even that much stick if he's about next season.
Might be a bit 'frosty' until he starts banging them in again.
If the interview happened then it's not that bad. What it could be is madrid told him to say I want to go, to lower the price and, if the comments are true, then as rams said he's calling their bluff
If madrids tactics were for ronaldo to say i want to leave, to lower the price then Ronaldos given then the two fingers basically.
if the comments are true...
He would leave but talk him staying would be against his will is rubbish. He's staying.happy days
Unless madrid pay the money....
lol. we'll see.
If madrids tactics were for ronaldo to say i want to leave, to lower the price then Ronaldos given then the two fingers basically.
if the comments are true...
He would leave but talk him staying would be against his will is rubbish. He's staying.happy days
Unless madrid pay the money....
lol. we'll see.I know, and the way I read it was him who got the quote. My point was that his take on it isn't really 'news' it's just his opinion, which I happen to agree with.
The flip side is that if Madrid turn round and say here's your money then what can we do?
I've been saying to my mates that I don't think it will happen because of the ridiculously high amount of money that would have to be involved, unless he comes out and says he definitely wants out. In this sense it's not just up to United in terms of transfer fee etc.
It's nothing we haven't heard before though. It simply means the ball is in Madrid's court, whether or not they will meet United's valuation. That says nothing about Ronaldo, infact it actually hints that he has no problems leaving if United accept a bid..
Of the 3 points the journalist makes, the first is rather confused.
So let's quote the 2nd & 3rd first (
): Ronaldo doesn't want to say any more at the moment - but it's not his decision - pretty clear by itself even if we would prefer the situation to be different.Now let's look at the 1st point - this contains two expositions that don't quite mean the same thing:
A = Ronaldo wants to play for Madrid.
B = Ronaldo is willing to play for Madrid if the clubs reach agreement to sell/buy him and the terms are ok.
I don't actually have any problem with B tbh. - if we choose to sell him to Madrid and he and they reach agreement on his contract then fine.
The question is whether A means he wants to play for them next season / sometime / he has had a dream of playing for them. Only if this means the first option and is a valid portrayal of Ronaldo's thought is there a problem.
IMO.
If you can't access the audio that Rams posted on page 103, you can see quotes of what Julio Homes told the BBC here :: ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation - Page 90 - RedCafe.net
Of the 3 points the journalist makes, the first is rather confused.
So let's quote the 2nd & 3rd first (
Now let's look at the 1st point - this contains two expositions that don't quite mean the same thing:
A = Ronaldo wants to play for Madrid.
B = Ronaldo is willing to play for Madrid if the clubs reach agreement to sell/buy him and the terms are ok.
I don't actually have any problem with B tbh. - if we choose to sell him to Madrid and he and they reach agreement on his contract then fine.
The question is whether A means he wants to play for them next season / sometime / he has had a dream of playing for them. Only if this means the first option and is a valid portrayal of Ronaldo's thought is there a problem.
IMO.
No better man - when it comes to unpicking semantics - than FeedingSeagulls, eh?
FWIW, I think you're right. It's about the tenses used and these often get lost in translation.
There's no doubt that Ronaldo wants to play for Real and always has done. What's not clear (and what's keeping caftards up at night) is exactly when he wants to play for them.
The Terra article doesn't shine any light on this whatsoever. The interview with his mum, however, seems to indicate that it's not gonna be next season anyway.
Roman goes back to Scol - Daily Mirror
Luiz Felipe Scolari has gone to the top of Chelsea's list after his agent held secret talks with Peter Kenyon.
Maybe that's why Scolari is pushing Ronaldo to Spain...
Luiz Felipe Scolari has gone to the top of Chelsea's list after his agent held secret talks with Peter Kenyon.
Maybe that's why Scolari is pushing Ronaldo to Spain...
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Make of that what ye will.
I have some more interesting news
Apparently, well lets just say I have it on vey good authority that the jounalist who supposedly interviewed Ronnie............................................ .......................................ONLY BLOODY APPEARS ON REAL MADRID TV ON A SHOW CALLED EXTRA TIME .
Funny how this has been kept quiet.
Moreover, he said live on SSN yesterday he wasn't friends with Ronnie, yet is quoted in the paper this morning as saying he is.
Make of that what ye will.
In response to questions about this summer transfer saga, Ronaldo has said "I want to play for Madrid". Your second 'exposition'
is misleading, because you paint it as a scenario where United agree to sell to Madrid, and he'll go along with it. The situation is actually that United absolutely don't want to sell their current best player, and it's Ronaldo that has pushed for the move with the activity of his agents and his own comments in the media that have contributed to the usual Madrid transfer circusNo better man - when it comes to unpicking semantics - than FeedingSeagulls, eh?
FWIW, I think you're right. It's about the tenses used and these often get lost in translation.
There's no doubt that Ronaldo wants to play for Real and always has done. What's not clear (and what's keeping caftards up at night) is exactly when he wants to play for them.
The Terra article doesn't shine any light on this whatsoever. The interview with his mum, however, seems to indicate that it's not gonna be next season anyway.
FWIW I think you're right here.
I've been of the opinion that Ronaldo was waiting to tell us about some new contract/image rights agreement - he also acknowledges he's had the ambition to play for RM sometime - but who knows what the future holds eh?
There have been only 2 elements of extra concern for me recently:
1 I don't think that the 'sticking a player in the stands' remarks would have been well received especially given the spin placed upon them.
2 There was that very recent Scolari quote supposedly explicitly stating Ronaldo wants to move, and that, soonish.
I'm sure he's not the only one in our squad though. He just happens to have attracted the attention of another club willing to pay top dollar for him.
I'm happy we've won the European Cup and the League (twice) with his contribution, but I've accepted that he's not really that interested in playing for us.
In response to questions about this summer transfer saga, Ronaldo has said "I want to play for Madrid". Your second 'exposition'
Backtrack on your assumptions a bit here...
'In response to questions about this summer transfer saga, Ronaldo has [repeatedly and clearly] said' "I want to stay".
Ronaldo has said he has dreamt of playing for RM - but that dreams don't always become reality. Playing for RM is one of the (many) things he'd like to do - he's not said he'll insist on doing so - neither has he said how soon he might like it to happen.
Even via the journo's remarks, Ronaldo says that any move is not his decision =- the decision is the clubs'. He also states that if RM pay what MUFC and he ask he'd be willing to play for them. Notice that the 2nd clause can only happen after the first, where the decision is not his. So he's saying that he'd be happy to play at RM (as opposed to Villareal for example) if the clubs reached an agreement for him to move and the personal terms were OK.
That's standard transfer practice tbh - nothing to see here guys - move along.
I watch Extra Time sometimes, what was his name?
It was, by KingEric7.
If he wanted to leave, he would say. Now people might say he has...though it's questionable...it's not resounding. It's not exactly..'I must play for this club'.etc...
The fact his mums come out and said what she's said, and she's a madrid fan speaks volumes.
You can be sure, whoever he plays for next season and I believe it'll be United - all eyes will be on him and he'll love that.
I disagree with the idea he doesn't care about the club. I think Ronaldo puts himself above madrid and united; who for me are on the same platform.
I don't think Ronaldo has a real preference. He'd like to continue at United but also play for them. The more it's gone on, the more comfortable I feel he'll be at United next season
The key, for me, is that again he does love the club and people just don't believe it; but he keeps posters and shirts etc. It's just the way he is. We have to accept he's got an ego lol
The more people that know about you, the more people will look out for you or search your name on youtube etc
I've only seen it in this thread I admit - it didn't read like a spoof though.
I think he has said that he wants to leave, just not to people whom the majority of United fans might believe. He might be here next season, but it will be his last with United.
No, not really.
We could be in for some new unsettling options in the new FM at this rate.
"Conduct fake interview stating that *insert player* would like to join your club and sell it to paper"
"Ask *insert player*'s mother if he would like to join the club"
"Conduct fake interview stating that *insert player* would like to join your club and sell it to paper"
"Ask *insert player*'s mother if he would like to join the club"
I know he loves SAF and his teammates. The only thing he doesn't fancy is the weather. But why is it that his ego is being brought up? From his interviews recently I don't see an arrogance about being bigger than the club, but rather a boy who is considering his future and a possible move to a country with a better climate. He is cocky on the pitch, but off of it he's been alright in my books.
Yes, and when you factor in trophies won in which he plays a crucial part AND THEN the image/glamour/prestige factors which he brings, all adding immeasureably - possibly uniquely - to what the Glazer's vision for United is, he won't be going anywhere for any price any club will be willing to offer
Though it is interesting to know [his Real connections] i don't think it matters a great deal, particularly seeing as Ronaldo's agent allegedly inviited Gomes to conduct the interview.
And most importantly the quotes seemto be genuine, regardless of how they came about
If you had clicked the link then you'd be directed to the famous "you are an idiot" site.
Thank f**k it was a wind-up - explicit statements by Scolari would be worrying - if I bump into that poster he'd probably get beer thrown over him.
Historians delving into the murky past of this ancient and byzantine thread do say that this very point was posted near the very beginning of time itself, around page three or four...ish
Ben Arfa can leave Lyon for Nasri's price according to Aulas (£10m-£15m)
Fairly cheap price for a futur star player who could replace Ronaldo.
Fairly cheap price for a futur star player who could replace Ronaldo.
You've committed the same fault again Feeding. He isn't 'willing' to play for Madrid' He WANTS to play for Madrid. For someone who analyses text as forensically as you seem to, that's quite a distinction. Ronaldo isn't an impassionate party here, the only circumstances that Ronaldo leaves is that United agree to sell. And United only agree to sell if they 1. climb down on their words that Madrid won't ride roughshod over us and 2. Ronaldo wants to go. Not willing, WANTS to go, drives the transfer, with Ferguson deciding his position at United is untenable and it's best to take the money rather than have a player at the club who wishes away
If that is the case, then we'd be better off selling him now
If the quotes are true, then he's sitting on the fence and they are certainly not what Madrid wanted because they imply conditions. So it's all a bluff and if they can't do it then ronaldo's not going anywhere.
So he does care about the club, enough to say (if it's true) that the club have to be paid what's been reported in the papers and nothing less, and ultimately by saying it's not up to me...it's saying 'I won't cause a fuss'. I won't force United to sell me. You must deliver on what you promise or i'm going nowhere
I think he'll be at United for the forseeable future because Madrid would lose a lot of respect if it was proven to be all talk and I do not believe they have the funds; otherwise why all this bullshit. They could have made an offer, but instead they've tried to get him on the cheap.
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