All-Ireland Championships '09

PJ said:
My initial thought was McEniff, but only as he was the first big manager of a non-native county that came into my head. How about you?
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McEniff is pretty loaded alright with his hotel(s) etc.. but that wouldnt stop him from taking £30,000 off some blokes hands - thats how the wealthy stay wealthy!

Its a hard one to figure out, i cant think of anyone who's been round the block that much in Ulster!

Is this "mercenary" dead or alive?
 
PJ said:
My initial thought was McEniff, but only as he was the first big manager of a non-native county that came into my head. How about you?
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PJ, McEniff is a Bundoran man, a native of Donegal & I d'ont think he has managed any other county!
According to the article, the payment was £30,000, so I assume it's a sterling payment, which probably points to one of the 6 northern counties.
How about.....

Fermanagh & Charlie Mulgrew(Donegal)/John Maughan(Mayo).

Derry & Brian McIver(Donegal).

Antrim Hurlers..... They had some Kilkenny dude managing them for a few years!

If the implication of sterling is misleading, & pymnts were made in € then some recent/ older ones, you could have;

Monaghan & Colm Coyle.
Cavan & Tommy Carr/Val Andrews/ Martin McHugh.

(Note; Out of respect to the late Eamon Coleman, R.I.P. who managed Cavan, he will not be included in the above list).
 
My views on county managers taking payments would be is there any that are not getting paid?There are club managers getting 20k.It has being going on for years and was pioneered by a GAA legend who has reaped thousands in a few different jobs and guess what he is not from the north.The world and his mother know this.It is bit like the British politicans expenses scandal and in the words of a former Irish pm"Its fine as long as your not caught" and believe the corrupt GAA is in no hurry to catch them.
 
Stuff the Goat said:
PJ, McEniff is a Bundoran man, a native of Donegal & I d'ont think he has managed any other county!
According to the article, the payment was £30,000, so I assume it's a sterling payment, which probably points to one of the 6 northern counties.
How about.....

Fermanagh & Charlie Mulgrew(Donegal)/John Maughan(Mayo).

Derry & Brian McIver(Donegal).

Antrim Hurlers..... They had some Kilkenny dude managing them for a few years!

If the implication of sterling is misleading, & pymnts were made in € then some recent/ older ones, you could have;

Monaghan & Colm Coyle.
Cavan & Tommy Carr/Val Andrews/ Martin McHugh.

(Note; Out of respect to the late Eamon Coleman, R.I.P. who managed Cavan, he will not be included in the above list).
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Ta for putting me right. I hope I made it clear enough that I put no thought into my first guess!
 
Without a doubt its going on "big-time" & for yonks!
Personally, I d'ont think its any harm.... just keep it hush,hush.... These guys are obviously the best in the business, & their expertise helps improve standards & can give a county "down on it's luck" a much needed lift. e.g. Martin McHugh / Cavan win Ulster in '97! (Cavans previous success was '69).
 
Crerand Legend said:
My views on county managers taking payments would be is there any that are not getting paid?There are club managers getting 20k.It has being going on for years and was pioneered by a GAA legend who has reaped thousands in a few different jobs and guess what he is not from the north.The world and his mother know this.It is bit like the British politicans expenses scandal and in the words of a former Irish pm"Its fine as long as your not caught" and believe the corrupt GAA is in no hurry to catch them.
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Fair point. My first reaction to hearing about a new appointment is wondering abut the payment. Fellas like Ross Carr are definitely the exception these days.
 
PJ said:
Fair point. My first reaction to hearing about a new appointment is wondering abut the payment. Fellas like Ross Carr are definitely the exception these days.
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I dont know about Ross Carrs situation PJ,but I was told a while back that practically the only manager in county football not getting paid was Sean Boylan the former Meath manager and I must say I respected him for it,as well of course for knocking Tyrone out in 96,calm down there RDH only joking.It has been going on for donkeys ages and I could tell you the way "paying the manager" was got round in our own county.Payment didnt have to be in a brown envelope,the most popular method was crazy expenses or being employed as a consultant to a wealthy benefactor within the county with of course no responsibilities other than to the county team.It was so legal you even paid your flaming taxes
 
Dodgy Club Manager it seems!

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=111535

Duffy clarifies payment claim


15 May 2009


Paraic Duffy has moved to clarify his controversial comments regarding under-the-counter payments to managers.

The GAA's director-general told a lecture hosted by NUIG's Alumni Association in Dublin on Tuesday night that a former Ulster inter-county manager has received a payment of £30,000, and suggested that payments to managers were the "biggest single most difficult issue" facing the GAA.

But while he stands by his claim, the Monaghan man stressed last night that his remark regarding Ulster being "the main culprits" was taken out of context and explained that he was referring specifically to the situation at club level.

"The comments attributed to me as regards Ulster being the main culprits were taken out of context and they were made specifically in reference to the situation at club level," he said.

"The point I made is that clubs in Ulster are generally strong in arguing for the importance of volunteerism and our amateur status, yet there is plenty of anecdotal evidence that would suggest many of them are paying managers expenses in excess of those allowed under our own rules.

"Some clubs don't seem to appreciate that such payments are a huge threat to our volunteer ethos and amateur status.

"However, the problem of managers receiving payments in excess of that allowed is one for the Association generally."

Meanwhile, top officials in all nine Ulster counties have denied they are involved in the practice of paying managers, but admit that they are aware of managers being paid.

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Any further ideas lads, cos i havent a fecking clue :confused:

Incidently, why's the fecker having digs at Ulster football, is that part of his portfolio now that the Monaghan native is in bed with the Gaa top brass:

"Agent Duffy - your task ahead is to take Ulster football down a peg or two... get into position & await further instructions..."

It looks like he's trying to prove that he will do the best job he can without be partial to Ulster Gaa - fecking dickhead!

For feck sake, if you wanna know about managers & players getting paid - just look at the feckin Dublin club football scene - there's €100,000's being paid under the table every year!

Stuff the Goat - how do you feel about this prick taking pops at us?
 
Stuff the Goat said:
PJ, McEniff is a Bundoran man, a native of Donegal & I d'ont think he has managed any other county!
According to the article, the payment was £30,000, so I assume it's a sterling payment, which probably points to one of the 6 northern counties.
How about.....

Fermanagh & Charlie Mulgrew(Donegal)/John Maughan(Mayo).

Derry & Brian McIver(Donegal).

Antrim Hurlers..... They had some Kilkenny dude managing them for a few years!

If the implication of sterling is misleading, & pymnts were made in € then some recent/ older ones, you could have;

Monaghan & Colm Coyle.
Cavan & Tommy Carr/Val Andrews/ Martin McHugh.

(Note; Out of respect to the late Eamon Coleman, R.I.P. who managed Cavan, he will not be included in the above list).
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My history teacher at St. Pius X, and football coach now & then...

Martin McHugh is the on my list of enemies - i'd love to rip off his head & shit down his neck - who's with me??????????
 
Fermanagh v Down

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/the_championship/8051404.stm

Fermanagh skipper Martin McGrath has recovered from a knee problem and takes his place in midfield for Sunday's Ulster Championship match against Down.

But Ryan McCluskey, back from playing Irish League football, has been left out at centre half-back while there is no place for corner back Shane Goan.

Chris Breen starts at the expense of 2008 goalkeeper Ronan Gallagher.

Tempo clubman Daryl Keenan and Ryan Carson of Newtownbutler will make their Championship debuts for the Ernemen.

As expected, former All Star defender Barry Owens is not in the team.

He has made a slow recovery from a cruciate ligament injury and was not able to take a full part in training.

McCluskey was regarded as a likely starter despite only returning to the squad over the past week.

He missed the entire National League because of his commitments with Portadown in the IFA Championship.

Shane McDermott plays at number six while Hugh Brady is preferred to Goan at left corner back.

Down have several injury worries ahead of Sunday's game.

Manager Ross Carr has hinted he may take a risk with star forward Benny Coulter in the game.

Mayobridge clubman Coulter has been unable to train since missing the National League Division Three final because of a heel injury.

"If you don't play him and things go wrong you feel you should maybe have taken a chance," said Carr

The only player definitely ruled out is former skipper Liam Doyle.

"I have always felt you have to be fully fit to play Championship football," Carr told the Irish News.

"You can be quite sure that Fermanagh will be at full fitness.

"Benny has been out for three or four weeks and has not done anything yet.

"It is going to be a risk but what do you do?"



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Fermanagh: C Breen; P Sherry, S Lyons, H Brady; D Kelly, S McDermott, T McElroy; M McGrath, J Sherry; R Keenan, C McElroy, M Little; D Keenan, R Carson, E Maguire.

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Good luck to the Down & Fermanagh lads on here - cant remember the names - sorry about that!
 
Well it was not pretty but we knew what to expect and we responded in kind.We can play prettier football but today was not about pretty football.Did not hear what the RTE pundits said but apparently the BBC pundits or muppets in Mchugh and Burns were scathing,who really cares.Those two would be more at home commenting on Songs of Praise.Only gripe today was Fergal Doherty he let himself down and overall he was poor
 
Burns and McHugh were incredibly harsh, but I dread to think what that cnut Spillane will be saying. Fergal's sending off was harsh in itself, but he got off with quite a bit off the ball, so can't really complain. Just glad they managed it with 14 men.
 
PJ said:
Burns and McHugh were incredibly harsh, but I dread to think what that cnut Spillane will be saying. Fergal's sending off was harsh in itself, but he got off with quite a bit off the ball, so can't really complain. Just glad they managed it with 14 men.
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Fergal let himself down and really could have been away earlier.Derry actually played better after the sending off.The game was played the way I thought it would be,Monaghan had been extremely physical against us on the last two occasions and we had not the stomach,we are a different proposition now.Did you notice how easier it was for Monaghan to get frees,I cant believe a Donegal whistler was appointed for this game and I think I was right.
McHugh is a man with a chip on his shoulder and hates Derry with a passion dating back to the great rivalry of the late 80s and early 90s.The man has no personality and watching the test card would be more interesting.Burns should have been a Priest as he trys to potray himself as one.
Ah well the red hand and the lowering of their flag is the likely next task and we are going to send them the same way as Monaghan in even better fashion.Thats me have to pack the old bag ,off to Rome tonight you can defend the great county of Derry when Im away PJ.Tell Red Hand I was asking for him.Nearly forgot to give my sympathies to the Goat,hard luck mate youse definitely made it a tough battle and best of luck in the old back door
 
Crerand Legend said:
Well it was not pretty but we knew what to expect and we responded in kind.We can play prettier football but today was not about pretty football.Did not hear what the RTE pundits said but apparently the BBC pundits or muppets in Mchugh and Burns were scathing,who really cares.Those two would be more at home commenting on Songs of Praise.Only gripe today was Fergal Doherty he let himself down and overall he was poor
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I fecking hate that prick McHugh & you're dead right about him!

The match wasnt pretty but a win is a win. It was a very bad tempered game eh, wonder if any of those fellas will face suspensions like Ricey got - and he did feck all by comparison to some of the antics goin on in that game yesterday!
 
Crerand Legend said:
Fergal let himself down and really could have been away earlier.Derry actually played better after the sending off.The game was played the way I thought it would be,Monaghan had been extremely physical against us on the last two occasions and we had not the stomach,we are a different proposition now.Did you notice how easier it was for Monaghan to get frees,I cant believe a Donegal whistler was appointed for this game and I think I was right.
McHugh is a man with a chip on his shoulder and hates Derry with a passion dating back to the great rivalry of the late 80s and early 90s.The man has no personality and watching the test card would be more interesting.Burns should have been a Priest as he trys to potray himself as one.
Ah well the red hand and the lowering of their flag is the likely next task and we are going to send them the same way as Monaghan in even better fashion.Thats me have to pack the old bag ,off to Rome tonight you can defend the great county of Derry when Im away PJ.Tell Red Hand I was asking for him.Nearly forgot to give my sympathies to the Goat,hard luck mate youse definitely made it a tough battle and best of luck in the old back door
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Good post. McHugh seems to hate every other County apart from his won. One word sums that wanker up - CUNTO!

Have a great time man with the missus & best of luck in gettin a ticket - if you're on the sniff for one still that is!

As for Tyrone - I didnt see anything yest to scare the bayjesus out of me, so hopefully we'll get past Armagh & meet you's lot in the Semi's :cool:

C'mon United :devil:
 
Congrats to Crerand Legend, PJ, & all other Derry heads!

It was a tough, dirty game, no doubt about that.... & from both sides!... no complaints Derry deserved.

Just one sour note for me, Joe Brolly on RTE panel. Up until yesterday, I use to enjoy listening to him, but his remarks about Monaghan yesterday were totally uncalled for. He more or less said he hated Mon & was delighted to see the "back of them". He called them absolutely filthy dirty!
Yes, it was a dirty-ish game, but I've seen & played in several games, where yesterday's game would have been classed a game between angels!
Amazingly, Brolly is a 1st cousin of Monaghan Captain, Vinnie Corrie. Some cousin to have when he publically insults you & your team in this manner.
Brolly is a weird little nerd!
Again well done Derry & good luck in your quest for Ulster!

ps: 2 consolations, a rare win for our minors over Derry & I got delayed getting to the bookies for my bet, so my €20 stayed in my pocket!
 
I thought the Tyrone men would be on here blowing their horns by this time,they were the best team and congratulations are deserved.Now that is out of the way what about the way my own county is being treated and no doubt Fergal Doherty's 8 weeks was a double boost to Mickey Harte.I was sad to see Harte getting in with his tuppence worth last week,no doubt in hoping to get Doherty suspended.Doherty deserved his two yellow cards but not suspension.Particularly hypocritical from Mickey considering some of the violence Tyrone have been involved in recently.I could go on O'Rourke played in one of the most violent teams ever,the Derry team of Tohills era were involved in worse games than last week and like wise most of the other hypocrites.No one has condemned the officials who permitted the violent assaults on the Bradley brothers before the ball was threw in,they were the only ones in Celtic Pk who did not see it,and that set the tone of the match.The only step for Derry is to refuse to pay the £10000 and be removed from the championship.I and a lot of people wholly support this and then maybe we will get the same treatment as the Tyrones,Dublins,Corks and Kerrys.So to the Tyrone lads a bye in the semi final is a possibility in this now corrupted competition
 
Crerand Legend said:
I thought the Tyrone men would be on here blowing their horns by this time,they were the best team and congratulations are deserved.Now that is out of the way what about the way my own county is being treated and no doubt Fergal Doherty's 8 weeks was a double boost to Mickey Harte.I was sad to see Harte getting in with his tuppence worth last week,no doubt in hoping to get Doherty suspended.Doherty deserved his two yellow cards but not suspension.Particularly hypocritical from Mickey considering some of the violence Tyrone have been involved in recently.I could go on O'Rourke played in one of the most violent teams ever,the Derry team of Tohills era were involved in worse games than last week and like wise most of the other hypocrites.No one has condemned the officials who permitted the violent assaults on the Bradley brothers before the ball was threw in,they were the only ones in Celtic Pk who did not see it,and that set the tone of the match.The only step for Derry is to refuse to pay the £10000 and be removed from the championship.I and a lot of people wholly support this and then maybe we will get the same treatment as the Tyrones,Dublins,Corks and Kerrys.So to the Tyrone lads a bye in the semi final is a possibility in this now corrupted competition
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Cheers for the congrats CL :cool:

As regards to blowing horns - whats the point in that. It was only one game & although it was Armagh & a very fierce rival - they're not the team of old, but a decent team all the same, so i'm not getting carried away with one win.

We missed a shit load of changes. 8 wides in 1st half & about 3+ balls dropped into Hearty's hands - thats shit forward play. The second half wasnt as bad, but mainly thats down to Armagh not giving us a sniff for long eriods & us boys being on the back foot!

Fair play to Armagh, they're a much changed side but showed they'll give anyone a game. Also fair play to both teams for a well behaved game & for showing respect to each other. Games between these sides over the years have been quite violent at times & that has increased the rivalry & hatred of both sets of fans. Sunday i think drew a line under that nonsense & maybe the fans can drop some of the animosity they have for each other :cool:

As regards to your comments regarding your players gettin bans - leave Tyrone out of it man will ya & its got feck all to do with the past. You've a serious Tyrone chip on your shoulder mate :nono:

The Monaghan lads obviously dont like Derry for whatever reason. The Bradleys are no angels man either, so although there was a bitta argey bargey etc... you dont know the full story man... and from what i saw of the game - you's lot dont like it put up to ya's & react accordingly.

:lol: Obviously you're a bittuva soft touch :lol:

Anyone with half a brain will know that the CCCC are coming down hard on violent play etc.. and trial by tv is very much being put in play. Doherty was caught kneeing a Farneyman in the head on the ground, he also got in scrapes the whole match & had scrapes leaving the pitch. Monaghan are a tough side but you's lot went a bit mad - trying to put it up to them the whole time. There's a line & some of the players on that pitch (Derry & Monaghan) were stupid enough to cross it!

Ricey got yellowed & banned for 8 weeks for tapping Galvin in the balls. Galvin got booked for diving/feigning injury. The ref didnt deem Ricey's challenge that bad or deserving a red card, but infact deemed Galvin's overreaction worthy of a yellow card. I bitched & moaned about that and I had all you lot giving it large & how Ricey is a nasty thug blah blah.... I got over it - you do too.

Players cant get away with things of the past nasty days for & rightly so, we want better games & none of that shite the Country witnessed during the Tyrone - Dublin game in Omagh a few years a go & most recently the nasty niggly game in Celtic Park!

This whole trial-by-tv shite is fully operational now - only thugs like Doherty are stupid enough to act the hardman..... well if thats the definition of someone hard who knees a player whilst on the ground...

So you're not up to playing Tyrone then - you wanna use this whole shite as an excuse to being throwin out of the Championship, by not paying the fine imposed on you for good reason. Jesus chill out. You're completely overreacting about the bans & fines. As recent history tells us now, trial by Tv is gonna get players fecked after they've finshed the match, so although its harsh & borderline nonsical that they're taking away some of the rough nature of football - the bottonline now is - if you act the big man well outside the rules of fair play, then you're gonna get stung!

Wonder what excuse you'll say if Tyrone beat ya's, i most certainly wont be making any if we lose.... but after watchin us against a decent Armagh team - one that would beat most teams in Ulster - there's no fear of Derry in Tyrone nor anyone else for that matter with all due respect & thats the mentality you need to have!
 
You obviously didn't read Hartes piece in the Irish News on Friday when he condemned the game and got cute by backing up Anthony Tohills words,he knew substainal punishment against Derry would probably help his cause.Will Gormleys red card on Sunday get 8 weeks?no chance.Doherty as I said in an earlier post deserved his two yellow cards,An 8 week suspension,what a laugh.Mullans red card I have never tried to defend and he deseves what he got just like Ricey last year.A 10,000 fine is shocking and I hope we refuse to pay it.Had this been Tyrone,Dublin,Cork or Kerry Mullan would have got punished and that would have been it,lesser counties get made example of
There was no hue and cry when Monaghan bullied their way past us in the last two seasons,and it is funny how alot of Tyrone men who are suddenly righteous all of a sudden forget about the attack on Gooch at the start of the all Ireland final in 2005 and other unsavoury incidents too numerous to mention over the last few years.I enjoyed the game and it was a long way of being the match it is being potrayed as I am proud of the way Derry played and dont give a monkeys what any so called expert has to say.The suspension of Doherty and the fact we have to play with our hands tied as no doubt the officals will be out to hammer us again has made the Tyrone match almost impossible for us and I for one will not be there and hopefully unless somebody in the Ulster Council catchs themselves on,neither will Derry.
 
Crerand Legend said:
You obviously didn't read Hartes piece in the Irish News on Friday when he condemned the game and got cute by backing up Anthony Tohills words,he knew substainal punishment against Derry would probably help his cause.Will Gormleys red card on Sunday get 8 weeks?no chance.Doherty as I said in an earlier post deserved his two yellow cards,An 8 week suspension,what a laugh.Mullans red card I have never tried to defend and he deseves what he got just like Ricey last year.A 10,000 fine is shocking and I hope we refuse to pay it.Had this been Tyrone,Dublin,Cork or Kerry Mullan would have got punished and that would have been it,lesser counties get made example of
There was no hue and cry when Monaghan bullied their way past us in the last two seasons,and it is funny how alot of Tyrone men who are suddenly righteous all of a sudden forget about the attack on Gooch at the start of the all Ireland final in 2005 and other unsavoury incidents too numerous to mention over the last few years.I enjoyed the game and it was a long way of being the match it is being potrayed as I am proud of the way Derry played and dont give a monkeys what any so called expert has to say.The suspension of Doherty and the fact we have to play with our hands tied as no doubt the officals will be out to hammer us again has made the Tyrone match almost impossible for us and I for one will not be there and hopefully unless somebody in the Ulster Council catchs themselves on,neither will Derry.
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How would he influence the decision for Doherty to get banned - when has those shower listened to him?

Hartes critical of this whole craic & we've had our fair share of this shite, so to say its just poor little Derry is a joke :confused: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...must-end-says-tyrone-boss-harte-14261885.html :confused:

For fecksake the rules have changed - you cant get away with running around like a thug the whole game like Doherty was. Thats why Tyrone & Armagh were on best behaviour & it made the game alot more enjoyable to watch!

Why would Gormley get 8wks for those two yellows, he harmlously dragged his man down twice & got his just desserts - it wasnt dangerous play. Doherty should of gone alot earlier than he was, he was rattled & proves to everyone he's a soft touch when its put up to him. He dug his own grave mate - dont see how you can complain about that?!

Also, Tommy Freeman got banned for 8wks - is that a miscarriage of justice?

The £10,000 fines are a disgrace tho & I totally agree with both Counties appealing and as as your County chairman Seamus McCloy said:

"We will definitely be appealing against the fine. Sure you would be better off not playing in the championship if you're going to run the risk of getting fines like that.

"The GAA must consider how we are going to get this money. Sponsors are falling like ninepins. We are going to have to ask the 40 clubs in Derry for £250. That will not be very popular..."

You keep bringing shit up from the past man, 2005 was 4yrs ago mate - get over it - Ricey did a job on the Gooch alright, would you give two fecks if that was one of your players that did that & limited the Gooch's mobility - no you fecking wouldnt, especially not in an All-Ireland final!

The fact of the matter is - you cant do that shit anymore & get away with it, either during or after it - its the same as Rugby, and thats the approach the GAA are taking now. They dont want players being thumped around the place, but they want it to remain a man's game but to protect all players health at the same time. That doesnt mean they make the correct commonsense decisions tho, as regards to banning players or handing out fines!

They set a precedent by banning Ricey for 6wks, then when he appealed they acted like spoiled brats by adding a further 2wks. If they dont keep up that level consistently then it proves that they were spiteful towards Tyrone at that time. You were totally agreeable with that if i recall & in fact you were screaming for a longer ban:

"See Ricey got 6 weeks,if I were him I would not appeal he is getting off light.. - post 205.... and also:

"Forgive me redhand but seeing him get another two weeks has delighted alot of people in my part of the world,now me of course I like to be objective..." - post 230...

And with due consideration to Ricey's ban & extended ban which was rediculous, I said at the time:

:lol: "I look forward to any further incidents this year to see what the outcome will be...." - post 233 :lol:
 
RHD part of the problem in Derry is that we have a chairman with big aspirations within the GAA and has ambitions to go the whole way to the top.he will not upset the powers that be for fear of damaging his own position.My local club will not be paying anything towards this fine he can go sing for it.This situation is a fiasco manufactured by a bunch of TV hypocrites and alot of people in Derry have lost the appetite for a championship which is being seriously and unfairly handicapped against us.As I said before the loss of Fergal Doherty which is unheard of for two yellow cards and a ref who will most likely think he will have a license to further punish Derry players,plus all the twisted reporting of what was a great game has bound to had an effect on Derry players,means to me that an already difficult match has become next to impossible.I have not missed a Derry/Tyrone championship match since the 70s,I wont be at this one,it will be a formality for Tyrone.This cleaning up the game is bollocks I have enjoyed it for years the way it was and saw nothing wrong it,the one thing that annoys me is when rules are not evenly applied,the way Derry has been treated is an outrage
 
How's my main man Kennelly been playing?

Word on the street was he could be angling for a return to the 'big leagues.' (;))
 
Crerand Legend said:
RHD part of the problem in Derry is that we have a chairman with big aspirations within the GAA and has ambitions to go the whole way to the top.he will not upset the powers that be for fear of damaging his own position.My local club will not be paying anything towards this fine he can go sing for it.This situation is a fiasco manufactured by a bunch of TV hypocrites and alot of people in Derry have lost the appetite for a championship which is being seriously and unfairly handicapped against us.As I said before the loss of Fergal Doherty which is unheard of for two yellow cards and a ref who will most likely think he will have a license to further punish Derry players,plus all the twisted reporting of what was a great game has bound to had an effect on Derry players,means to me that an already difficult match has become next to impossible.I have not missed a Derry/Tyrone championship match since the 70s,I wont be at this one,it will be a formality for Tyrone.This cleaning up the game is bollocks I have enjoyed it for years the way it was and saw nothing wrong it,the one thing that annoys me is when rules are not evenly applied,the way Derry has been treated is an outrage
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Thats not the first time I've heard that man, Derry have been plagued with in-house rumblings for many a year. Many Counties have this carry-on but your problem over the last number of years is that its carried onto the playing field.

I dont know the goings on with your Chairman McCloy, but i did respect what he said as regards to the fine imposed - he was spot on man. I dont know why your scapegoating & portraying him as being weak. Sure he's against the bans & the fines - what more can he do mate?

I wish you'd drop this whole "siege-mentality" thing man, no-one's out to get Derry regardless of the Mongahan game. Ulster games are tough encounters no doubt, but that was one ugly game man & Ulster football fans have taken quite a bit of grief about our style of football over the years & that game didnt do us any favours. I thought we'd seen the last of that type of game after the Tyrone - Dublin game in Omagh. That was a disgrace & I think Tyrone have attempted to clean up their act alot since then. Also, Dublin came up to Omagh with the intention of fighting & should there be a one-on-one then as Caffrey said in the changing rooms beforehand: "One In - All In", so its was always going to be a scrap throughout the game!

If Derry have lost the appetite for the Ulster Semi-Final against the All-Ireland Champions & bitter rivals - then Derry shouldnt even bother turning up with attitudes like that. FFS, no-one fecking died - you still have good players to put out. You have two players banned for the game & the only people complaining about the decisions are the Derry faithful. Doherty was acting like a thug for much of the game & was quite rightly sent off. Whether he deserved the ban of 8wks thats another matter, but thats not my problem!

I yapped, huffed & puffed when Ricey got banned for 8 games for tapping Galvins balls & I got feck all sympathy, so i wont be anyone's shoulder to cry on. We all the know the craic now. If you do something naughty & the camera's pick it up - there's a good chance you'll get banned. Thats where we've been since the Ricey incident in Omagh against Kerry.

If the CCCC dont follow the same course of action they applied to Tyrone & particularly Ricey, then they'll be shown to have made a bollox out of their decision & acted unfairly to Tyrone for unknown reasons other than their Rules & Regulations in dealing with these procedures!

Bottom line is - maybe if most of the anti-Tyrone/Ricey brigade hadnt of been so quick to crucify him & back the CCCC's decison making process at the time, then this whole trial-by-tv vendetta that the CCCC are applying wouldnt be as excessive or unfair in issuing bans!

Shame you're not going to the match - me & the missus are, we're driving up from Dublin. Could of met ya for a pint & maybe I could of tried to talk some sense into ya :D
 
cesc's_mullet said:
How's my main man Kennelly been playing?

Word on the street was he could be angling for a return to the 'big leagues.' (;))
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Alright Cesc how's it goin mate?

I was down in Killarney to see the Kerry - Cork match on Sunday: 8hr round trip....

Kennelly played in mid-field & to be honest - i dont see what all the fuss is about. I didnt see anything that made me take notice of a star player. He's a good player but nothing more than that, there's better players in the Kerry team & if Kerry folk are hailing Kennelly as their saviour - they're gonna be very disappointed!

Kerry were woeful & lucky not to get beat. As a Tyrone man, it was great to see both Cork & Kerry in action, so to evaluate their chances for Sam. Cork played a great first half & half the second, but faded badly, giving away stupid fouls through tiredness. The ref was terrible for both teams it must be said!

If there's rumours of him returning to the Swans - feck him, let him go back. He wont be any great loss to our game - the better game!
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Thats not the first time I've heard that man, Derry have been plagued with in-house rumblings for many a year. Many Counties have this carry-on but your problem over the last number of years is that its carried onto the playing field.

I dont know the goings on with your Chairman McCloy, but i did respect what he said as regards to the fine imposed - he was spot on man. I dont know why your scapegoating & portraying him as being weak. Sure he's against the bans & the fines - what more can he do mate?

I wish you'd drop this whole "siege-mentality" thing man, no-one's out to get Derry regardless of the Mongahan game. Ulster games are tough encounters no doubt, but that was one ugly game man & Ulster football fans have taken quite a bit of grief about our style of football over the years & that game didnt do us any favours. I thought we'd seen the last of that type of game after the Tyrone - Dublin game in Omagh. That was a disgrace & I think Tyrone have attempted to clean up their act alot since then. Also, Dublin came up to Omagh with the intention of fighting & should there be a one-on-one then as Caffrey said in the changing rooms beforehand: "One In - All In", so its was always going to be a scrap throughout the game!

If Derry have lost the appetite for the Ulster Semi-Final against the All-Ireland Champions & bitter rivals - then Derry shouldnt even bother turning up with attitudes like that. FFS, no-one fecking died - you still have good players to put out. You have two players banned for the game & the only people complaining about the decisions are the Derry faithful. Doherty was acting like a thug for much of the game & was quite rightly sent off. Whether he deserved the ban of 8wks thats another matter, but thats not my problem!

I yapped, huffed & puffed when Ricey got banned for 8 games for tapping Galvins balls & I got feck all sympathy, so i wont be anyone's shoulder to cry on. We all the know the craic now. If you do something naughty & the camera's pick it up - there's a good chance you'll get banned. Thats where we've been since the Ricey incident in Omagh against Kerry.

If the CCCC dont follow the same course of action they applied to Tyrone & particularly Ricey, then they'll be shown to have made a bollox out of their decision & acted unfairly to Tyrone for unknown reasons other than their Rules & Regulations in dealing with these procedures!

Bottom line is - maybe if most of the anti-Tyrone/Ricey brigade hadnt of been so quick to crucify him & back the CCCC's decison making process at the time, then this whole trial-by-tv vendetta that the CCCC are applying wouldnt be as excessive or unfair in issuing bans!

Shame you're not going to the match - me & the missus are, we're driving up from Dublin. Could of met ya for a pint & maybe I could of tried to talk some sense into ya :D
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The Derry/Monaghan match has left a sour taste in alot of Derry Gaels mouths.At least the Irish News has for once been big enough to say that Derry were tried by pundits such as Burns Spillane and Mchugh and the CCC only acted the on the points that they raised.At the minute I am unsure whether or not to go,my 12 year old will be cross if I dont,but I fear we will too badly handicapped
 
Crerand Legend said:
The Derry/Monaghan match has left a sour taste in alot of Derry Gaels mouths.At least the Irish News has for once been big enough to say that Derry were tried by pundits such as Burns Spillane and Mchugh and the CCC only acted the on the points that they raised.At the minute I am unsure whether or not to go,my 12 year old will be cross if I dont,but I fear we will too badly handicapped
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Monaghan had a player banned aswell mate!

Every man & his dog on the street can see that its trial by tv, but we've known this for some time. It was a terrible game dude, very ugly & Burns, Spillane, McHugh & co are only voicing their opinions as pundits. There were too many incidents in that match for them not to comment on some of them!

Wish you'd cheer up mate.... with all due respect aswell :)
 
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