Alexis Sanchez | Udinese: No Deal Yet

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After his goal against Lazio, he was on a streak and clubs including Manchester Shity, Liverpool, Manchester United, and Internazionale have made their interest known, but club owner Pozzo declared Sánchez untransferable until July 2011.
 
Bryan_Munich said:
It depends where his priorities lie, money or his career.
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If someone were to offer me a shitload of money for doing the thing I love I'd snap their hands off. In terms of career it is a step up. He'll just never get to play for United if he joins City. It's going to be the the first large transfer story of the new season. He'll end up at city. To be truthful though, I don't see where they'll play him, he's not Tevez's replacement.
 
Italian rumours this morning has it that he wants to stay in Italy and play fo Inter.
 
gambit28 said:
If someone were to offer me a shitload of money for doing the thing I love I'd snap their hands off. In terms of career it is a step up. He'll just never get to play for United if he joins City. It's going to be the the first large transfer story of the new season. He'll end up at city. To be truthful though, I don't see where they'll play him, he's not Tevez's replacement.
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IF they get him he will either play on the opposite flank to Silva or in the role Toure has been playing. Pushing Toure back down to partner De jong.
 
gambit28 said:
If someone were to offer me a shitload of money for doing the thing I love I'd snap their hands off. In terms of career it is a step up. He'll just never get to play for United if he joins City. It's going to be the the first large transfer story of the new season. He'll end up at city. To be truthful though, I don't see where they'll play him, he's not Tevez's replacement.
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My statement was based on the assumption that he could sign for us, for less money.

It was reported that City tried to gazump the Berbatov deal by offering him £200k per week, double what we were offering him.

I'd say he made the right decision.
 
Bryan_Munich said:
My statement was based on the assumption that he could sign for us, for less money.

It was reported that City tried to gazump the Berbatov deal by offering him £200k per week, double what we were offering him.

I'd say he made the right decision.
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I fully agree but it looks like Sanchez is city bound. I hope I'm wrong. Pozzo will want the City offer as it's guaranteed to be the highest. Just like Spurs wanted the city offer for Berbatov. Who knows maybe we'll have a repeat of a Fergie kidnapping.
 
Bryan_Munich said:
Aguero would be a like-for-like replacement for Tevez would he not?
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Kind of. Despite the similarity in stature, they're subtly different players.

Aguero is much more explosive around the penalty area, and in many ways, much more direct, whereas Tevez is, as we all know, busy and energetic, contributing much more to the build up of attacks.

Tevez is actually more similar to Rooney in that he can operate comfortably as a number 10, as well as the furthest foward in a fluid attacking three or four.

Aguero was compared to Romario when he was at Independiente because of the bursts of acceleration which took him past his man in the area, often finishing with an early toepoke past the goalkeeper. He's certainly improved his contribution to the build up at Atletico, but he doesn't really have the creative instincts of either Tevez or Rooney, which might be one of the reasons that he has so far failed to cement a place in the Argentinian national team.
 
The only reason he is not coming to the red corner of Manchester is because he has not had the calling.

This to me suggests that SAF feels he has already got better or will indeed be signing better this Summer. Faith in a man that has forgotten more about football than most of us know, is what is required here.

We all know that City scour Redcafe when looking to buy a new player and it seems they have seen the Sanchez thread being repeatedly bumped. ;-)
As a result they think he is a great player and therefore will no doubt break some wage records just to appeal to his greed.

I think what City is becoming is hilarious and that they are fast becoming the laughing stock of English football. I don't even think they will be top four next season, particularly if they tinker with the "team" again and bring in more "individuals".

The main signings for this season will already be sorted and none of us will know anything until it happens.
 
Fergie's Man said:
The only reason he is not coming to the red corner of Manchester is because he has not had the calling.

This to me suggests that SAF feels he has already got better or will indeed be signing better this Summer. Faith in a man that has forgotten more about football than most of us know, is what is required here.

We all know that City scour Redcafe when looking to buy a new player and it seems they have seen the Sanchez thread being repeatedly bumped. ;-)
As a result they think he is a great player and therefore will no doubt break some wage records just to appeal to his greed.

I think what City is becoming is hilarious and that they are fast becoming the laughing stock of English football. I don't even think they will be top four next season, particularly if they tinker with the "team" again and bring in more "individuals".

The main signings for this season will already be sorted and none of us will know anything until it happens.
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Good post. Couldn't agree more.
 
City could have a very, very good attack, if they manage to get Sanchez and a proper replacement for Tevez.

Silva - Tevez replacement - Sanchez

With De Jong, Toure and someone new behind them.
 
Fergie's Man said:
The only reason he is not coming to the red corner of Manchester is because he has not had the calling.

This to me suggests that SAF feels he has already got better or will indeed be signing better this Summer. Faith in a man that has forgotten more about football than most of us know, is what is required here.

We all know that City scour Redcafe when looking to buy a new player and it seems they have seen the Sanchez thread being repeatedly bumped. ;-)
As a result they think he is a great player and therefore will no doubt break some wage records just to appeal to his greed.

I think what City is becoming is hilarious and that they are fast becoming the laughing stock of English football. I don't even think they will be top four next season, particularly if they tinker with the "team" again and bring in more "individuals".

The main signings for this season will already be sorted and none of us will know anything until it happens.
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As it's confirmed his representatives met ours last week then the calling has happened.
 
gambit28 said:
As it's confirmed his representatives met ours last week then the calling has happened.
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Perhaps you would be good enough to link me to the evidence of this meet.


If he has had the calling then he will be a Manchester United player next season. Nobody except a greedy, shitty pig would head to City ahead of United. If money is his motivator then we don't want him.


Have faith in the man that has repeatedly won things "with kids", that haven't cost stupid amounts of money. Gawd, Alan Hansen you still make me laugh. :lol:
 
Fergie's Man said:
Perhaps you would be good enough to link me to the evidence of this meet.


If he has had the calling then he will be a Manchester United player next season. Nobody except a greedy, shitty pig would head to City ahead of United. If money is his motivator then we don't want him.


Have faith in the man that has repeatedly won things "with kids", that haven't cost stupid amounts of money. Gawd, Alan Hansen you still make me laugh. :lol:
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Eh? This has nothing to do with questioning Fergusons or Uniteds ability. It was confirmed through Gazetto del sport and a fair few others, that last week representatives of Manchester United, City and Barcelona and another unknown team met with representatives of Alexis Sanchez. Anyway quit with all the tub thumping, this is a transfer saga that we are involved in.
 
His Wiki page is having some great changes this morning.
Currenty
Alexis Alejandro Sánchez Sánchez (born 19 December 1988) is a Chilean footballer who currently plays for Udinese, he is due to join Manchester United this summer after turning down an offer from Manchester City as 'He doesn't want to join a team who hasn't won anything for 35 years. One FA Cup doesn't change everything'. He is generally used on the left wing but is also deployed as a central attacking midfielder.
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Bryan_Munich said:
Surely they'll still replace Tevez though, otherwise they're considerably weakened.
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I wonder. In Balottelli and Dzeko they have two very capable replacements. If they improve the creativity of the team, Tevez will be missed less.

I see them trying to sign the likes of Hamsik and Sanchez than trying to replace Tevez directly. Even though the rumour is they have their eyes on Zlatan.
 
Someone touched a nerve:

" the scum utd fan who edited this before can go get a life and enjoy as his scum club will be brought down to the ground soon from debt and when your team of cnuts want more money."

Doesn't really make sense to be honest.
 
gambit28 said:
Eh? This has nothing to do with questioning Fergusons or Uniteds ability. It was confirmed through Gazetto del sport and a fair few others, that last week representatives of Manchester United, City and Barcelona and another unknown team met with representatives of Alexis Sanchez. Anyway quit with all the tub thumping, this is a transfer saga that we are involved in.
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Seems I have touched a nerve. I would hate to do such a thing in the transfer forum. :rolleyes:

I asked for evidence and you have not provided it, therefore I assume your statement concerning the "calling" is nothing more than transfer forum fecal matter.

Most of Redcafe are not involved in this "saga" as there is no saga, at least at the time of writing. :)
 
Fergie's Man said:
Seems I have touched a nerve. I would hate to do such a thing in the transfer forum. :rolleyes:

I asked for evidence and you have not provided it, therefore I assume your statement concerning the "calling" is nothing more than transfer forum fecal matter.

Most of Redcafe are not involved in this "saga" as there is no saga, at least at the time of writing. :)
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Nope, you've not touched any nerve. All this has been going on for weeks and I can't be arsed trawling through to get all the links again. Again what are you on about?
 
gambit28 said:
Nope, you've not touched any nerve. All this has been going on for weeks and I can't be arsed trawling through to get all the links again. Again what are you on about?
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You decided to take issue with my post this morning and when I asked you for some basic evidence that you were correct, you failed to produce it.

I think you ought to leave transfer worries to SAF and those ITK.


Honestly, if you can't work out "what I am on about" then perhaps you need to post less, read more and chill out.

This thread is not about you and I. I have no desire to be a post whore, so, I am out.
 
Fergie's Man said:
You decided to take issue with my post this morning and when I asked you for some basic evidence that you were correct, you failed to produce it.

I think you ought to leave transfer worries to SAF and those ITK.


Honestly, if you can't work out "what I am on about" then perhaps you need to post less, read more and chill out.

This thread is not about you and I. I have no desire to be a post whore, so, I am out.
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I'm not angered or angry. I don't need to produce anything to you or to anyone. This has been going on for some time now and we've been discussing it in this thread As this is a discussion forum for transfer rumours, guess what we do, we discuss transfer rumours. There are no ITK's in here nor is there SAF. There is us talking about these rumours from the bits we get from the media. This is not about you or I, or any perceived, on your part anger. You came in here being snobby and doing the usual tub thumping. Lots have done it before you and I'm sure lots will do it afterwards. I don't need to chill, I'm quite fine.
 
Fergie's Man said:
The only reason he is not coming to the red corner of Manchester is because he has not had the calling.

This to me suggests that SAF feels he has already got better or will indeed be signing better this Summer. Faith in a man that has forgotten more about football than most of us know, is what is required here.

We all know that City scour Redcafe when looking to buy a new player and it seems they have seen the Sanchez thread being repeatedly bumped. ;-)
As a result they think he is a great player and therefore will no doubt break some wage records just to appeal to his greed.

I think what City is becoming is hilarious and that they are fast becoming the laughing stock of English football. I don't even think they will be top four next season, particularly if they tinker with the "team" again and bring in more "individuals".

The main signings for this season will already be sorted and none of us will know anything until it happens.
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I think we will focus on Young if we are to bring a winger to Old Trafford, we were never going to be able to compete with City for Sanchez because they would just outbid us and Udinese would choose the better offer. Besides, we don't really need a winger right now, if an opportunity presents itself then it might be a good idea to go after someone like Sanchez who's a potential game-winner, but it won't be a priority. A goalkeeper will be.
 
Sarni said:
I think we will focus on Young if we are to bring a winger to Old Trafford, we were never going to be able to compete with City for Sanchez because they would just outbid us and Udinese would choose the better offer. Besides, we don't really need a winger right now, if an opportunity presents itself then it might be a good idea to go after someone like Sanchez who's a potential game-winner, but it won't be a priority. A goalkeeper will be.
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Not true, in the modern game the majority of the power lies with the player.
 
Bryan_Munich said:
Not true, in the modern game the majority of the power lies with the player.
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If we bid £25m and City go much above that, say £35m, then Udinese will accept their offer and either reject ours or delay their decision until the player decides. I don't think Sanchez would try to force a move to United, especially as he would be earning more at City and it would still be a big step up for his career.

Thing is, our bid would have to be very high to be considered. If we bid say £15m they will laugh at that. Without City around I reckon we would be able to get him without necessarily going over the top with a fee, possibly less than £20m. I really hate what they are doing to the market, they will probably go out and buy five or six players that ought to be playing for clubs who deserve them, big clubs with history. Players like Dzeko, Silva, Toure, Tevez, Kompany should be at teams like United, Milan, Barcelona, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Bayern, Juventus etc., not at that joke of a club.
 
Sarni said:
I think we will focus on Young if we are to bring a winger to Old Trafford, we were never going to be able to compete with City for Sanchez because they would just outbid us and Udinese would choose the better offer. Besides, we don't really need a winger right now, if an opportunity presents itself then it might be a good idea to go after someone like Sanchez who's a potential game-winner, but it won't be a priority. A goalkeeper will be.
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I agree that SAF is more likely to be sniffing around a young British player rather than Sanchez. He prefers the mentality of the Brits and how quickly they settle.

Chicarito is an exception to the rule, but there again this kid was speaking English fluently before his arrival at OT. Mastering the lingo always helps a lot.

Bryan Munich is correct. The player pretty much decides where he is going and his club are invariably forced into negotiating with the destination club. If Sanchez had the calling and wanted to be red instead of blue, he would be red.

I still say, he hasn't had the calling, probably because SAF has preferred targets, as opposed to "asking price" issues.

I can't call who our next keeper will be, but if I was a betting man, then I would suggest De Geea is favourite, based on his recent comments. Steklenburg has delivered a come and get me, but I could see him landing at Arsenal's door.

De Geea has decisions to make before the end of the month and I think one of them certainly concerns Old Trafford. If he has had the calling, De Geea will come running.

Personally, I prefer the more experienced option, but I will leave that to the experts. I still reckon there could be a surprise with the goalkeeper issue.

Exciting times.
 
Udinese just qualified for the champions league and Pozzo is after money.
Udinese President Giampaolo Pozzo admits some of his stars could leave, “but we rejected a €35m offer for Alexis Sanchez.”

The Friulani finished fourth and enter the Champions League preliminary round for only the second time in their history.

“After 25 years of football I am celebrating this preliminary round entry, which for a provincial side is an extraordinary achievement.

“Don’t forget that we started with four straight defeats and were still bottom of the table in Week 6, mainly because we had so many players strained from the World Cup.

“We also had a slight setback at one point with bans, injuries and refereeing errors coming together, as otherwise we could’ve done even better.

“Now I am happy that we have achieved this objective, fighting tooth and claw, and will see what happens next.

“We will try to keep hold of all the players we can. Of course there are some who have offers from very big clubs, so it will be impossible to keep them all, but we are ambitious and will aim to hold on to most of them.

“We always manage to find suitable replacements and that is our job in football. If we didn’t balance the books after 25 years then we’d be starving!

“It’s going to be tough, but we want to keep the young players, as they will have other chances and need time to grow. I hope they all want to continue this great adventure, if we manage to get past the preliminary round, of the Champions League with Udinese.”

Among the hottest properties on the transfer market are Sanchez and Gokhan Inler.

“Napoli have been pressuring us for Inler for some time now, but we want at least 48 hours to celebrate before talking about such matters,” confirmed Pozzo.

“As far as I am concerned, Sanchez is worth as much as Leo Messi, but admittedly I’m not objective. He’s one of only two or three players born in every generation.

“We have received an offer of €35m that we rejected. I do not want to name the club, out of respect. Sanchez is very young and we’d like him to stay for another year, plus we believe he’s worth more than €35m.”

There are several clubs targeting El Nino Maravilla, including Manchester City, Inter, Juventus and Barcelona.
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I would be interested to hear what regular Sanchez watchers/Sanchez fans think about something I wrote a few weeks ago:

The Sanchez rumours are in the papers again and while I don't care to speculate about a possible transfer here's something I found quite interesting:

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	Shot	KPass	Drib	Disp	TO	Loss	Create
Messi	3,8	2,1	5,5	2,8	1,6	4,4	5,9
Hazard	0,8	2,42	2,6	2,4	1,6	4	3,22
Ronaldo	5,4	1,8	2,4	2,3	1,8	4,1	7,2
DiMaria	1,7	2	2	1,8	1,6	3,4	3,7
Sanchez	1,8	1,66	3	5,1	2,1	7,2	3,46
Pastore	2,4	2,12	2,5	2,9	2	4,9	4,52
Nani	3,1	2,33	2,6	2,4	2,1	4,5	5,43
Nasri	1,8	2	2,1	2,4	1,5	3,9	3,8
Bale	1,5	1,62	2,1	1,4	1,9	3,3	3,12
Reyes	2	2,53	2,6	2,6	2	4,6	4,53

All stats are gathered from whoscored.com (and they get their data straight from Opta) and are relevant for league matches from the 10/11 season only. All stats are presented on a per match basis. Shot = shots, KPass = key passes, Drib = dribbles, Disp = dispossessed, TO = turnovers, Loss = Disp + TO, Create = Shot + Kpass.

The point I'm getting to, and the whole reason for this post, is that his dispossessed rate is absurdly high. He is dispossessed basically twice as often per match as all the other top high usage dribblers. His turnovers are also high. While he does dribble more often than anyone bar Messi the difference of 0,5-1 dribbles per match isn't big enough to account for how often he loses the ball by itself.

Another question and potential cause for concern is that even though he dribbles a lot he doesn't create as much offense (both for himself and for others) as you might expect. The 1,66 chances created per match in particular is lower than I would have expected.

So while it would be laughable to draw any definitive conclusions from this limited data, the suggestion at least is that while he dribbles a lot and it can be very exciting to watch, he isn't particularly efficient, both in terms of creating offense and in terms of simply not giving the ball away.
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letranger0 said:
I would be interested to hear what regular Sanchez watchers/Sanchez fans think about something I wrote a few weeks ago:
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Yeah thats because he plays for Udinese.Tonight he got dispossessed loads but that was because he was was being clattered every few moments by 2 players. Yet he was still the main attacking thrust of Udinese. If he had a better midfield around him I'm sur ehe'd be dispossesed a lot less.
 
^^^ Welcome to the mains mate. :)

Those stats are a bit surprising, could there be other factors given the team he is in is probably the poorest and the league the most defensive minded?

As for the Udinese chairman, it's just like the guy who owns Palermo, they are stopping these young players from getting moves that could see them grow by placing ridiculous valuations on them
 
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