I d be happy if we signed two United fans this summer - Sanchez and Adler.
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I d be happy if we signed two United fans this summer - Sanchez and Adler.
yeah, being a United fan made all the difference to Aaron Ramsey didn't it.
United will never get such high profile continental targets. They can't afford it. As soon as Oezil had a good WC he was out of Uniteds price range. I don't see why this is so hard to grasp for the muppets, despite it being the case summer after summer. United will never win a bidding war with City, Chelsea or Madrid.
He was in the last year on his contract. He could not have cost us more than 25m. He cost Real 15m! Is that out of United price range given the fact that we spent 25m this summer? For a talent like Ozil and given his age, 20-25m is nothing compared to what we get in return.
United don't win bidding wars with the likes of Madrid. They gracefully bow out when they know they really want the same player. People need to adjust their expectations.
Not to mention Ole who was a Liverpool-fan and Chris Smalling who was an Arsenal-fan and still picked us over Arsenal - and that could be something to celebrate for years to come.
Ozil was sold for 15 Million Euros to Madrid, if you genuinely think that it's out of range for United, then you're an idiot.
Seriously, I don't know why you even bother to post in the transfer forum, all you do is wade into threads and say how we're not going to buy this player as it's out of our price range, why even bother posting the same things in different threads?
We would have been able to afford Ozil actually, but he wouldn't have come here anyway once Real got involved.
Ozil wasn't out of our price range. We were willing to spend 30+ on Benzema. Veron was considered the best midfielder in Europe when we went in for him. We can afford him. It's wether we want to or he wants to or not. Ozil went for a paltry price 12 million, we spent more than that on Carrick.
Ozil's mind was set on joining on Madrid. I thought that was clear for everybody and that's why we didn't bid for him.
Muppettry in excelsis. I wouldn't mind if the same people were not the ones who shit on the players United already have in the match threads because all they really want is that big name player they've seen on youTube and why oh why can't United buy me what I want.
United would have had a chance if he had not had such a great WC. United can only get the lower profile guys. If Barca or Madrid really want Sanchez then does anyone seriously think United could compete?
Utter crap. If we go in for hm I imagine it will be a case of does he want to play for us We were outbid for Benzema by €5 million. If it wasn't for the fact he made it clear he didn't want to play for us but instead wanted to go to Madrid then I'm sure we'd have put in another offer. We are not some poor skint club. Yes we don't get involved in bidding wars and really we never have, we've just gone in and got them or not. If the lad wants to play for us and the manager wants him then I'm sure we'll spend whatevers nescessary.
A little harsh no? Transfers are an essential part of the United success story. Sanchez has been linked with us for a while and seems a potentially good fit. People are just keen to see him here rather than at City or Chelsea. It's not like they're discussing the possibility of buying already bona-fide superstars.
No that's not the case. We just can't afford 15 million euros for Ozil despite spending(nearly) the same amount on Smalling just months ago.
Go on and search my post history and see if you can find even one post where I've a criticized a United player in the match threads. You're just one of the posters who like to come into every transfer thread and just post the same shite again and again. If you don't want to indulge in "muppetry", then stay away from the thread, it shouldn't be too hard?
If he wants to come to us then yes I do expect us to. If any player is coming here from all the muppet lists we've been going on about the deal will have been done long before the transfer window opens.
When I say bidding war, I don't just mean the money. When it comes to Real and Barca then its not just money, it's the prestige for latin players. When we got Tevez, if Real or Barca had really wanted him, then where would he have ended up? When it comes to City and Chelsea its more the money.
Sanchez is so high profile at this stage that all 4 will be interested. We can't compete with the Spanish clubs on the attraction for latin players. We can't compete with the English two on money.
It's not neccesarily transfer fees that we're competing on. Remember that Spain's top tax rate is/was 24% on income tax (not sure if it's been changed) for foreigners compared to 50%. And we also have a weak pound to compound problems as well. If Ozil wanted say 100k euros take home pay, then we're at a complete disadvantage there when competing with Real.
I wouldn't mind when the fact is the majority on here don't and love the players we have. Wanting the best players for United is perfectly understandable and whilst we don't have the scouting network or the plans of Alex Ferguson available to us we only have the press and media bollocks to go on and debate.
What about Dimitar Berbatov then, if we can't compete with Manchester City on money?
Btw I know we can't compete with City on money, but if we're genuinely interested in that player, and if the player wants to join us, then the more chances are that player will sign for us.
Repeat yourself much? Anyway, Valencia was a target of RM and we got him.
Maybe your inner muppet has been smashed down one time too many which would explain why you'd say we are only capable of getting the low profile players. Fact of the matter is, and anyone that has followed United for a while (at least during SAF's reign), knows that United don't often go for big names but, tend to go for up and coming talents they can nurture. SAF has spent when he thought it necessary but, don't confuse our philosophical difference to be one where we can't compete.
Granted there are some factors that make either Spanish club more attractive such as the tax situation, the weather, the less intensive league but, no one reasonable can actually think that United can't compete with them for a player we really want.
As I said if there's any deal to be done it will have happened already. I don't expect us to be involved in any bidding war. I fully agree the lifestyle Spain has to offer is far more enticing to latinos. I fully believe we can compete with any team when it comes to spending, I just don't believe we will. Sanchez is high profile but if we're in for him and he wants to cmoe here then there's nothing that will stop us.
But people trash talk players who would be perfectly useful additions to United because they're not high profile enough. Some peoples expectations are all out of joint.
To be fair Real gave up on Valencia when we sold them Ronaldo, it wasn't a part of deal but they no longer needed him. Most players are more likely to join them than us because they are in position to offer them better wages with lower tax (as pointed out above) and are generally considered stronger sides at the minute. In 2008 the time was good to strengthen because we were at the very top.
If City had not left things so incredibly late then things could have been different.
I'd like to think that a player would see that United have more prestige than City or Chelsea (although maybe I'm biased in seeing it that way) and would go for us even if the other two were offering way more money.
But with the latin players its more the big Spanish two that are the worry. If they want Sanchez then that is that, whether he's a "United fan" or not.
Not everyones. De Rossi wouldn't improve our team at all. Pastore, Hamsik and Sanchez would. If it's some unknow then all the better. Best of all a player we've developed ourselfs. There's no reason though why we can't get the likes of Sanchez, Pastore etc (well not Pastore he's said plenty of times he wants to play in Spain).
If Sanchez wants to come here then no, it's not. Barcelona wanted Veron as well.
Not really fair - Sanchez has only just come into the limelight and this thread has been going a while.
I think people are now taking the we can't compete mantra a little far.
We can't compete for the established, developed stars.
Sanchez doesn't qualify on that front - yet.
I don't believe we were that interested in Ozil anyway as it is.
We bid for him in 2008 (he turned us down). And I'm sure that Fergie was at that Fulham game to see him, talk to his club. I think we'd have him now if he had not played in the WC.
That will be tested if Shitty and renties come in waving their blank cheques.
I honestly don't think Sanchez would be stupid enough to go to Barca or Madrid and ruin his career.
Sanchez just come into the limelight? Son, we were supposed to replace a certain Ronaldo with this lad. He has been on the radar of high profile clubs, especially us, for sometime now.
The problem we are going to have from now on for some years to come is that City are going to be making the Champions League pretty much every year due to their sugar daddies. So I don't players are going to overlook City that much nowadays.
Some of the high profile players, Kaka for example, don't really care about money when teams are in for them but he care about Champions League and if the team they are going to can afford them that. Hence Kaka rejected City two years ago. I mean he could have easily been 250k or 300k per week now. With City, they knock two birds with one stone - Money and Champions League football.
Some of the high profile players, Kaka for example, don't really care about money when teams are in for them but he care about Champions League and if the team they are going to can afford them that. Hence Kaka rejected City two years ago. I mean he could have easily been 250k or 300k per week now. With City, they knock two birds with one stone - Money and Champions League football.
See, this is where you don't make sense.
Obviously most latin players will prefer Real and Barca over ourselves. So we tend to not bother getting in bidding wars with them. However, it's not the fact that he's a latin player that makes us 'give up', it's the fact that they prefer Real and Barca. If a latin player comes along who prefers us, why would we be at any disadvantage to them?
Now I don't know whether or not Sanchez would prefer us. But if he does and if we want him, do you really think we'd just forget about him as soon as Real or Barca came along? Of course not. Now if they want him enough to get to ridiculous money levels (40m plus) that's a different story. But if it's kept to a semi-realistic price range and he prefers us, I have no doubt we'd go for him.
The other day there was a thread asking why our own supporters are so negative when it comes to our games this season, the same question pops into my mind every time we are linked with an exciting player as opposed to a bargain basement player.
I don't claim to know how we are set up as far as the transfer kitty goes, I can only go on what Fergie says, and he said when the time is right and the player is right we will buy the marquee names. Now I don't know if Sanchez would even come under that banner yet but he'll certainly not be cheap.
Unless City lodge a £50M bid then I don't see us not being in with a shout, I imagine the bidding will bottom out between £25M and £30M, at which point it will be the players choice, if we are in the running at that juncture there is no reason why he wouldn't pick us.
Well in the summer we sold Ronaldo we were linked with Sanchez and each article said he was a United fan, I believe there were even some quotes from him, then last summer at the World Cup his potential transfer popped up again and one of his teammates came out and said his dream was to play for United.
I don't claim to know how we are set up as far as the transfer kitty goes, I can only go on what Fergie says, and he said when the time is right and the player is right we will buy the marquee names. Now I don't know if Sanchez would even come under that banner yet but he'll certainly not be cheap.
Unless City lodge a £50M bid then I don't see us not being in with a shout, I imagine the bidding will bottom out between £25M and £30M, at which point it will be the players choice, if we are in the running at that juncture there is no reason why he wouldn't pick us.
Well in the summer we sold Ronaldo we were linked with Sanchez and each article said he was a United fan, I believe there were even some quotes from him, then last summer at the World Cup his potential transfer popped up again and one of his teammates came out and said his dream was to play for United.
Sanchez will end up at City this summer if they are intereted in him and make the CL which I pray they dont!
Some weird rumour doing the rounds in the Italian sites that Inter and Udinese have already made a deal / or a deal with City and Udinese has already been done.
edit: Got it now, the Italian sites are reporting that Inter apparently made a deal, and they are reporting the Terry Cook is flying to Udinese to gurantee they get their man story from the People.
edit: Got it now, the Italian sites are reporting that Inter apparently made a deal, and they are reporting the Terry Cook is flying to Udinese to gurantee they get their man story from the People.
So he's going to City then? As we expected.
No The Sunday People have done a story that City have agreed a deal (worth £24 mil) with Udinese. They have included the usual get out clause at the end of the story, that Cook is flying out there to convince him to play for City. The second story is that a deal has been done between Udinese and Inter for Sanchez. Nothing confirmed, just the usual bollocks so far.
Heres the english story.
and here's the Italian from the translate
and here's the Italian from the translate
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