Chicharito got super exciting during the season. i love the little mexican pea. but when we signed him, i didnt know who he was.
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Chicharito got super exciting during the season. i love the little mexican pea. but when we signed him, i didnt know who he was.
So you didn't make a point of watching him at the World Cup after it had been announced we were signing him?
dude ffs. supporting football club is not all about transfers ok? season lasts 9 month and transfer window just 2. can i have my depressing summer without being told to feck off?
I'm sorry but do you really not realize the irony of this post at all?
You say it's not about transfers yet you're complaining about our LACK OF TRANSFERS!
So you didn't make a point of watching him at the World Cup after it had been announced we were signing him?
I watched him at WC and i was pleased he did well. But i dont see where are you getting at. his performances didnt convince that he will become starter at Man United in next 6 months
There does seem to be a bitta doom & gloom the last few days in the transfer forum. I think most of us got chirpy with the thought of signing a bitta magic much like we did when we got Ronaldo. Fergie was hurt after the Final loss & alluded to diggin deep into the pockets for improvements in certain areas to get to Barca's level. Some folk are panicing because we're seemily not gettin the central midfield area sorted, but its early days & we shouldnt worry.
Its great to have players of Sanchez' quality & the deal is not confirmed yet with Barca, but we have a good team that just needs a bitta something else in midfield. The young lads we've got coming through are gonna be great, so if we dont get the big signin then I wouldnt be too down-hearted. Fergie will know best & will do the best for the team.
I do get the impression that certain types of established players - South American to be precise, are not keen on coming to England if they have a Spanish alternative. Thats completely understandable but frustrating too, when coming to United you're in with a chance to win every competition we enter. Some players want to live on easy-street & thats not gonna happen comin to United - we want to win everything & no less than giving 100% is expected from all the players.
Some players dont want to give that & thats why United & Fergie in particular, get the low-down on the players character & family life before makin a decision to bring the lad to the club. I'm not sure Sneijder has endeared himself to Fergie in recent weeks with his "Staying at Inter" and then his "God knows" crap. Thats messing people around & the fans of Inter more importantly. We had that shit with Ronnie after we won the Double & it wrecked our (mine anyway) Summer!
We should all be patient & just see what happens. One things for sure - Fergie's building a very rosey future for the club with the investment in youth, we just need that extra bitta established class in mid-field now, to challenge for the Champions League again & get that monkey that is Barca, off our backs. We'd be on 5 Champions Leagues if it werent for them, but we shouldnt feel sorry for ourselves, we should accept the challenge & be positive because Fergie's made a career out of perch-dismantling...
Its great to have players of Sanchez' quality & the deal is not confirmed yet with Barca, but we have a good team that just needs a bitta something else in midfield. The young lads we've got coming through are gonna be great, so if we dont get the big signin then I wouldnt be too down-hearted. Fergie will know best & will do the best for the team.
I do get the impression that certain types of established players - South American to be precise, are not keen on coming to England if they have a Spanish alternative. Thats completely understandable but frustrating too, when coming to United you're in with a chance to win every competition we enter. Some players want to live on easy-street & thats not gonna happen comin to United - we want to win everything & no less than giving 100% is expected from all the players.
Some players dont want to give that & thats why United & Fergie in particular, get the low-down on the players character & family life before makin a decision to bring the lad to the club. I'm not sure Sneijder has endeared himself to Fergie in recent weeks with his "Staying at Inter" and then his "God knows" crap. Thats messing people around & the fans of Inter more importantly. We had that shit with Ronnie after we won the Double & it wrecked our (mine anyway) Summer!
We should all be patient & just see what happens. One things for sure - Fergie's building a very rosey future for the club with the investment in youth, we just need that extra bitta established class in mid-field now, to challenge for the Champions League again & get that monkey that is Barca, off our backs. We'd be on 5 Champions Leagues if it werent for them, but we shouldnt feel sorry for ourselves, we should accept the challenge & be positive because Fergie's made a career out of perch-dismantling...
In fairness man, Barca have been spendin shit loads for a number of years & look how well thats doin for them?!
The Transfer Window has been well & truly open for weeks mate!
it really comes down to having the best team in the league. Hargreaves, Scholes left and they need replacements. If Fergie comes out and say Morrison and Pogba are ready to fill the gap. i would be just as happy as United signing Sneijder. Its all about having top quality players to fill the gapes left by our retired stars
Barca's best players are all youth academy players, bar Villa.
They're in no way massive spenders like Chelsea or Real, and neither of them have done very well in the CL in the last 6 years have they?
Barca are a very unique team, once in a lifetime and it's not their spending that's got them there.
So no, spending 'shit loads' does in no way guarantee we will reach their heights
We do have the best team in the league and Fergie will buy the players this Summer to keep it this way. We also have the 2nd best squad in Europe. Chill.
I wouldn't, because they're not, which is why he won't.
Even if he did, the man's not infallible. He thought Kleberson, Djemba, and Miller* were good enough to fill the gap and all. In fact, since Keano started fading we've brought in no centre midfielders of the class of our domestic rivals (Essien, Gerrard, Fabregas), let alone Barcelona's.
We badly need to buy at last one centre midfielder.
*We're all fallible too
There's feck all unique about Barca if you actually looked at the fact that..
"Catalonia covers an area of 32,114 km² and has an official population of 7,535,251 people.."
Barca have the pick of the best young players from the region ffs... imagine United had a region like that to pick from?
Sneijder>>> Sanchez
Don't change your argument.
You said transfers have played a huge part in this success, I proved you wrong, so you go on about populations instead?
Alves isn't one of Barcelona's best players? Abidal?
Don't change your argument.
You said transfers have played a huge part in this success, I proved you wrong, so you go on about populations instead?
Not changing my argument at all you feckin child
Its pretty clear Barca have been spending money these past years - much more than us too. Off the top of my head...
Since 2008
Ibrahimović £56M
Villa £34M
Alves £23M
Chygrynskiy £20m
Mascherano £22m
Pique £5m
Total £160m
..and possibly comin in this Summer:
Sanchez £30m
Fabregas £35
Rossi £23m
Not changing my argument at all you feckin child
Its pretty clear Barca have been spending money these past years - much more than us too. Off the top of my head...
Since 2008
Ibrahimović £56M
Villa £34M
Alves £23M
Chygrynskiy £20m
Mascherano £22m
Pique £5m
Total £160m
..and possibly comin in this Summer:
Sanchez £30m
Fabregas £35
Rossi £23m
7 of their first teamers were trained at the club (and all of them are "world class".) Any other really massive club you can think of that can say that?
Look at their first XI now, 3 of those transfers are in it. Pique, Alves and Villa, and Abidal was bought yonks ago.
Can other big spenders, Chelsea, Madrid, us, Bayern, City say that? Nope, not even remotely.
I'm hardly being childish here. You did change your argument. You went from transfers to ... population. Hardly related.
So having the pick of the best kids from a population area of 7.5m people doesn't affect the number of kids you can bring through into your first team? And the number of players you can bring through has no affect on your transfers?
The fact is Barcelona spend massively on the area's they cant fill from La Masia. What on earth does when Abidal was bought matter? Do we not have to count Ferdinand anymore?
Chygrynskiy €25M
Henrique €8M
Alexander Hleb €16M
Keirrison €14M
Martin Cáceres €16.5M
Zlatan Ibrahimovic €49.5M in cash and Eto'o
Dani Alves €36M
David Villa €40M
Javier Mascherano €22M
Adriano €9.5M
Seydou Keita €14M
Just to make it clear I don't have a vendetta against Guardiola actually quite the opposite, I just wonder how many managers in today's game would get away with his bad dealings in the transfer window.
What the feck happened to this thread?
Guardiola isn't in charge of transfers.
What the feck? When did I say having Abidal mattered?
When did I ever bring up population? That guy above did, not me. I said they're a unique team, they are, their first XI is mostly youth products. That's not a team built by transfers, which is what he originally said.
We are pretty laughable in the transfer dealing stakes when it comes to the very best talents. Sanchez is the latest in a long line of players who we've been linked with, but then limply accepted defeat to another club. This is in the face of statements from Gill et al over the last few years about warchests, the Ronaldo money being available, spending big money to get the players we need etc etc
What do you expect David Gill to do if a player prefers Barcelona?
Not changing my argument at all you feckin child
Its pretty clear Barca have been spending money these past years - much more than us too. Off the top of my head...
Since 2008
Ibrahimović £56M
Villa £34M
Alves £23M
Chygrynskiy £20m
Mascherano £22m
Pique £5m
Total £160m
..and possibly comin in this Summer:
Sanchez £30m
Fabregas £35
Rossi £23m
Yes. Ibrahimovic IS the reason why Barca are where they are now..
What the feck? When did I say having Abidal mattered?
When did I ever bring up population? That guy above did, not me. I said they're a unique team, they are, their first XI is mostly youth products. That's not a team built by transfers, which is what he originally said.
This is what i said @ post 4287..
"In fairness man, Barca have been spendin shit loads for a number of years & look how well thats doin for them?!"
Thats not me saying they've bought success, but its helped them achieve it. They've spent more than us thats for sure!
Wish you'd stop shitin on about the youth product thing too, when its fairly clear they have a whole region of over 30,000 km's of Catalonia to gather the best young players from. If you're Catalonian then Barca is the club for you. If you cant find good players from a mass area thats football crazy, then the club isnt doin its job properly. Same goes for the Brazilian national team!
You're operating under the huge assumption that every player we're heavily linked to in the media are actually targets that Gill & Co are actively trying to sign as a necessity. I don't think it's the case with Sanchez, the same way it wasn't the case with Balotelli, Ozil, Van der Vaart and tons of other players.
Just because Sir Alex said he liked a player three years ago and they've had a good season doesn't mean we "limply accept defeat to another club" when he signs elsewhere.
Heard that Jeffren, the makeweight in Barca's Sanchez bid, does not want to go to Udinese.
Yes. Ibrahimovic IS the reason why Barca are where they are now..
Granted - i know he's shit...
...but they still splashed on him & he helped Barca win:
La Liga: 2009–10
Supercopa de España: 2009, 2010
UEFA Super Cup: 2009
FIFA Club World Cup: 2009
Good job Jeffren!
Deal all but done now according to Udinese. Close thread.
What the feck? When did I say having Abidal mattered?
You didn't say it didn't matter, you just seem to be suggesting the yonks ago bit makes it less relevant.
You said it wasn't relevant to transfers, when it clearly is
I would have loved sanchez here but i'm thinking now i can't be arsed where he goes, well just not to another PL team.
People keep talking about not attracting the top players but where have these top players come from? Most are from sunnier climes and want to stay in hotter climates, just a fact. This has been said again and again that if england was a hot country then we would have so many more world class players at our clubs.
I can't think of many PL teams who have brought "world class" players at their peak. England tend to make potential in to world class. Top of my head we bought veron, chelsea bought shevchenko, maybe pish come to shove we could say silva to city and torres to liverpool.
Please anyone add names to the list but i'm talking about buying "world class" established stars!
People keep talking about not attracting the top players but where have these top players come from? Most are from sunnier climes and want to stay in hotter climates, just a fact. This has been said again and again that if england was a hot country then we would have so many more world class players at our clubs.
I can't think of many PL teams who have brought "world class" players at their peak. England tend to make potential in to world class. Top of my head we bought veron, chelsea bought shevchenko, maybe pish come to shove we could say silva to city and torres to liverpool.
Please anyone add names to the list but i'm talking about buying "world class" established stars!
Are you serious here?
That quote completely 100% suggests that Barca success has very much been down to the money they've spent on transfers whilst we haven't been able to keep up with them because we haven't. The YOUTH part was brought up because all their best players WERE. NOT. TRANSFERS.
Please do
Neither of these make any sense.
Firstly, I said "yonks ago" because he mentioned transfers within the last 5 years. And yeah, I didn't say it. What's that got to do with it?
I didn't say it wasn't RELEVANT to transfers, I said all but 3 of their first XI were not transfers, what does that tell you, hmm? You're both talking bullshit, trying to bring Abidal into it? Come on.
It's also so ironic that you say it's in big part down to their transfers and when I say "it's not, it's about the fact that their majority of their team were formed at the club", you retort with "because they've a big population.
So tell me, how exactly are transfers and population in any way related here?
Knobs.
Neither of these make any sense.
Firstly, I said "yonks ago" because he mentioned transfers within the last 5 years. And yeah, I didn't say it. What's that got to do with it?
I didn't say it wasn't RELEVANT to transfers, I said all but 3 of their first XI were not transfers, what does that tell you, hmm? You're both talking bullshit, trying to bring Abidal into it? Come on.
It's also so ironic that you say it's in big part down to their transfers and when I say "it's not, it's about the fact that their majority of their team were formed at the club", you retort with "because they've a big population.
So tell me, how exactly are transfers and population in any way related here?
Knobs.
Ah, I'm newish here, didn't realise you were a cnut. It's 4 players from the first team by the way.
In short, they've got a brilliant youth system because they spend £25m a year or something silly on La Masia, have a massive pool of players to pick from (not the 90 minute rule) and are allowed more than a pissing 2000 hours coaching between 10 and 18. How many other teams can say that?
Now, here's where the magic happens. If you've got a massive population, you've got more youth players, fewer spots need filling in the team, you can afford to spend £25m+ in every position you're weak in. Teams that don't have a whole country of players to pick from(and cant afford to spend the entire transfer budget of most top teams on running it) cant match Barcelona's youth production so cant concentrate their funds like Barcelona do.
Added to the massive amounts they spend on their youth system, they also spend a collosal amount on transfers, Dani Alves and Eric Abidal for instance. Of the genuinely world class players in their team (Messi, Villa, Iniesta, Xavi, Busquets(debatable), Alvez, Abidal, Pique and Puyol), half have been bought. Strip away the the ones that have been bought (about £70m worth of players) and that team is considerably weaker. It's silly to say transfer muscle hasn't had a big influence on Barcelona's success, even if you discount the money they spend on La Masia.
3 days we invested in those Chilean Miners.
I'd like to think that Valentino is just winding us all up. He's all over the place. He wants big names...but would be just as excited if Fergie said Morrison and Pogba are ready...but doesn't want to hear Fergie say that Young or some other relative no name that he might bring in is ready.
Sorry Cina but that was funny mate
You have to agree with the points we're makin about the youth system tho?
They've a massive region of young players to choose from. All or most of those kids in Catalonia dream of playin for them. Look how many clubs that are situated in Lancashire, in a population of 1.5million?!
Imagine we were the club that was representative of that region in the same way Barca is to Catalonia, with no restrictions of coaching time either - we'd have a pretty good conveyor belt of talent!
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