Alexis Sanchez | Staying at Arsenal after City deal falls apart

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I think Sanchez is an ambitious player and is at the point in his career where he wants to go to a club with similar ambitions. He knows that Arsenal are happy to qualify to the CL every year, get to the last 16 and limp out. He also knows that he's often propping their side up.

Could he come to United? Wenger would resign before he let that happen so maybe there is a scenario involving that but even then it's unlikely. Plus would he see us as having any more chance of winning things than Arsenal?
 
Athletico seems a good fit to replace Griezmann
 
City have an awful lot of forwards and Guardiola wasn't too happy with Alexis at Barce but then again City are no Barce.

Guardiola had better forwards at Barca who suited his style of play. I don't think he could care what Bony does and Aguero just can't do the type of work he wants.
 
Reckon he'll do a Juventus or Bayern, altough he would skip off to Real in a second if they wanted him.

He is at the stage of his career where he wants guaranteed trophies, no team in England can offer that at the moment since the league next season is a toss up between 4-6 teams, and on current evidence none of us will pose much threat to the Spanish two or German team in the CL.
 
Wenger has already said he won't sell to United again.

He even refused to sell us Debuchy.

He won't sanction this.
I'm not sure it's as simple as what Wenger wants in this situation. It's a similar situation to when van Persie left Arsenal in 2012 - if the player refuses to sign an extension and is adamant about leaving, there isn't a lot they can do about it.

The situation with Debuchy was quite different and while this would still remain a long shot, I don't think it can be flatly ruled out either.
 
I'm not sure it's as simple as what Wenger wants in this situation. It's a similar situation to when van Persie left Arsenal in 2012 - if the player refuses to sign an extension and is adamant about leaving, there isn't a lot they can do about it.

The situation with Debuchy was quite different and while this would still remain a long shot, I don't think it can be flatly ruled out either.

Fergie called Wenger personally and sorted the deal out. Since then, Wenger has said he'll never sell to United again. The board aren't going to over rule him if he sticking around, it would make his position untenable. He'll most likely go abroad.
 
I think Sanchez is an ambitious player and is at the point in his career where he wants to go to a club with similar ambitions. He knows that Arsenal are happy to qualify to the CL every year, get to the last 16 and limp out. He also knows that he's often propping their side up.

Could he come to United? Wenger would resign before he let that happen so maybe there is a scenario involving that but even then it's unlikely. Plus would he see us as having any more chance of winning things than Arsenal?

Your first paragraph is mostly correct which is why the second paragraph is even more baffling. Why would Alexis Sanchez - who wants to win the Champions League - go to a club that isn't in the Champions League this season and have a legitimate chance of not being in it next season either?
 
Your first paragraph is mostly correct which is why the second paragraph is even more baffling. Why would Alexis Sanchez - who wants to win the Champions League - go to a club that isn't in the Champions League this season and have a legitimate chance of not being in it next season either?
It's not "baffling" he asked a few legitimate questions.
 
It's not "baffling" he asked a few legitimate questions.

I actually didn't read beyond 'could he come to United?' because I assumed it was a case of blind arrogance. My apologies @Sparky Rhiwabon

At the moment, we are ahead of United as we have been at the end of every season since Ferguson left. United have only managed to beat Olympiakos in a CL knockout tie since that time if my memory is correct.

There's no reason to assume that you would have a more legitimate chance of winning things than us other than comparative financial power - but we certainly aren't lacking in that department either. As an aside, you have a good manager but one who has proven to be unstable at times and with limited longevity - another risk factor.

Honestly, going to United would be as big a risk, if not even bigger. Aside from the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern or Juventus - I think Alexis would be better off staying put.
 
I actually didn't read beyond 'could he come to United?' because I assumed it was a case of blind arrogance. My apologies @Sparky Rhiwabon

At the moment, we are ahead of United as we have been at the end of every season since Ferguson left. United have only managed to beat Olympiakos in a CL knockout tie since that time if my memory is correct.

There's no reason to assume that you would have a more legitimate chance of winning things than us other than comparative financial power - but we certainly aren't lacking in that department either. As an aside, you have a good manager but one who has proven to be unstable at times and with limited longevity - another risk factor.

Honestly, going to United would be as big a risk, if not even bigger. Aside from the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern or Juventus - I think Alexis would be better off staying put.

Not saying that he wants to come, but if he wants to, then that means he believes in the manager and the direction the club is heading. The same reason Mkhi and Pogba willing to come. And yes, before you say that they came here because of the money, we can offer him that too, if that is what motivates him. Not sure if someone in his position is what we should prioritize, though.
 
So LVG wanted him? Bizarre, he hasn't played in yonks
If I remember correctly, it was during the period where United had zillions of injuries, particularly in that RB area. We played more different youngsters over the course of a season than I can remember. It was nice to see the club's youth products starting games, but the team was suffering as well because of too many changes. One of the main reason I am grateful for Mou's methods/management/luck? that so far, the injury problem has been kept to a minimum.

I am glad the Debuchy didn't happen though, if not we wouldn't be able to see Tony V and cross field passes by Pogba and co. Plus, whether he meant it or not, thankful to LvG for Tony's transformation.
 
Not saying that he wants to come, but if he wants to, then that means he believes in the manager and the direction the club is heading. The same reason Mkhi and Pogba willing to come. And yes, before you say that they came here because of the money, we can offer him that too, if that is what motivates him. Not sure if someone in his position is what we should prioritize, though.

Many clubs can offer them the money. The reason Mkhitaryan and Pogba came to United was because no better clubs were in for them at the prices quoted. You can say I'm biased against United if you want but that is the reality of the situation at the moment (and I would be saying that exact same thing if we had bought those two players).
 
Fergie called Wenger personally and sorted the deal out. Since then, Wenger has said he'll never sell to United again. The board aren't going to over rule him if he sticking around, it would make his position untenable. He'll most likely go abroad.

There's very little they can do if he insists on United alone. They aren't going to pass on £50m for a player entering the last year of his contract at Wenger's whims.
 
Wenger didn't want to sell us RVP either. The decision may be out of his hands.

Bingo. Wenger works for Scumbag Stan, who rather make money than win trophies. there's no way he's interested in retaining two players wanting £250k/week when he could sell them both for very large fees to keep the light on for the Gunners or finance his $3billion project in LA . If United is the highest bidder, he will sell. The man doesn't care about the fan base of any his sports franchises period.
 
So LVG wanted him? Bizarre, he hasn't played in yonks
It was a bit left field but I think it can be forgiven considering our options at the time were Guillermo Varela, Donald Love and Joe Riley. I don't think it was going to be a permanent transfer either.
 
I could see him helping Real, Juve or Atletico a lot. Ronaldo-Sanchez-Bale would look odd but I could see them working off each other well. Lots of crossing and heading ability as well as pace and shooting. Could have good variety in their attacks.
 
I could see him helping Real, Juve or Atletico a lot. Ronaldo-Sanchez-Bale would look odd but I could see them working off each other well. Lots of crossing and heading ability as well as pace and shooting. Could have good variety in their attacks.

Real Madrid? Why? The others doesn't have much money and Sanchez wants £250k per week. Literally impossible.
 
I actually didn't read beyond 'could he come to United?' because I assumed it was a case of blind arrogance. My apologies @Sparky Rhiwabon

At the moment, we are ahead of United as we have been at the end of every season since Ferguson left. United have only managed to beat Olympiakos in a CL knockout tie since that time if my memory is correct.

There's no reason to assume that you would have a more legitimate chance of winning things than us other than comparative financial power - but we certainly aren't lacking in that department either. As an aside, you have a good manager but one who has proven to be unstable at times and with limited longevity - another risk factor.

Honestly, going to United would be as big a risk, if not even bigger. Aside from the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern or Juventus - I think Alexis would be better off staying put.
No problem. I agree with what you're saying, but maybe he'd view United as a more "ambitious club" and more chance of glory in the medium term, or else convince himself of that when he saw the money on offer! I mean, Pogba made the move so who knows. But, as I said, highly unlikely.
 
I actually didn't read beyond 'could he come to United?' because I assumed it was a case of blind arrogance. My apologies @Sparky Rhiwabon

At the moment, we are ahead of United as we have been at the end of every season since Ferguson left. United have only managed to beat Olympiakos in a CL knockout tie since that time if my memory is correct.

There's no reason to assume that you would have a more legitimate chance of winning things than us other than comparative financial power - but we certainly aren't lacking in that department either. As an aside, you have a good manager but one who has proven to be unstable at times and with limited longevity - another risk factor.

Honestly, going to United would be as big a risk, if not even bigger. Aside from the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern or Juventus - I think Alexis would be better off staying put.
I think you're being a bit naïve if you think there's any real chance we will continue with the kind of tradjectory we've seen under our last 2 managers. We're on our best run of games for 8 years and we are in better form than any other team in the league. All things considered Jose has actually done a pretty good job in turning around our fortunes so quickly. Then you look at our squad and the players we have brought in under Mourinho and how they've performed. It clearly shows the massive financial backing, ambition and pull the club has enjoyed in the best is still very much there. There's a reason why we can sign these players and Arsenal can not.

If you're going to look at the characteristics of Jose and bring to light his longevity as a potential risk factor then you also need to bring into account his pedigree. Alongside Pep there isn't a manager who's record can be considered in the same bracket, he has a proven track recording of winning silverware wherever he manages.
 
I actually didn't read beyond 'could he come to United?' because I assumed it was a case of blind arrogance. My apologies @Sparky Rhiwabon

At the moment, we are ahead of United as we have been at the end of every season since Ferguson left. United have only managed to beat Olympiakos in a CL knockout tie since that time if my memory is correct.

There's no reason to assume that you would have a more legitimate chance of winning things than us other than comparative financial power - but we certainly aren't lacking in that department either. As an aside, you have a good manager but one who has proven to be unstable at times and with limited longevity - another risk factor.

Honestly, going to United would be as big a risk, if not even bigger. Aside from the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern or Juventus - I think Alexis would be better off staying put.

Without any arrogance Utd are a bigger club than Arsenal. Utd could not win another trophy for 10 years and we would still be a bigger club. I do think Alexis is a good fit for Arsenal but I can see why players would become frustrated there. They stagnate and anyone is still waiting for that more that takes them to the next level. We have been the best team in the world but Arsenal haven't even when they had the players when they should have been.

Sanchez isn't getting any younger and his stock is high. If he can get 300k+ a week then why stay on less for pretty football and regular CL when either amount to not winning anything. This is the most frustrating thing and even from a non utd fans point of view aside from anything else, it's exciting times in Manchester at the moment and Ibra and Pog are just the start.
 
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I think Sanchez is an ambitious player and is at the point in his career where he wants to go to a club with similar ambitions. He knows that Arsenal are happy to qualify to the CL every year, get to the last 16 and limp out. He also knows that he's often propping their side up.

Could he come to United? Wenger would resign before he let that happen so maybe there is a scenario involving that but even then it's unlikely. Plus would he see us as having any more chance of winning things than Arsenal?

Considering that Arsenal fans are still not over the fact that RvC went to United, it would be a stupid move for the Arsenal manager & Board to sanction such a deal. The furore from Arsenal fans would be unreal and they'd have their pitchforks out for everyone involved from Kroenke down to the tea lady.

I think Bayern/Juve/PSG would be a more likely destination provided they're ready to stump up the wages and transfer fee for a player of his quality.
 
Considering that Arsenal fans are still not over the fact that RvC went to United, it would be a stupid move for the Arsenal manager & Board to sanction such a deal. The furore from Arsenal fans would be unreal and they'd have their pitchforks out for everyone involved from Kroenke down to the tea lady.

Out of interest, how do Arsenal fans reflect on all the players that have been sold to Man City? Given that they are the most likely destination of the Premier League clubs (not that I think he'll end-up there - he'll settle for what Arsenal offer him eventually is my thinking), would sanctioning that move cause a similar reaction from fans in your view? Or is it just an anti-United thing that has kept the RVP wounds so raw?
 
I think you're being a bit naïve if you think there's any real chance we will continue with the kind of tradjectory we've seen under our last 2 managers. We're on our best run of games for 8 years and we are in better form than any other team in the league. All things considered Jose has actually done a pretty good job in turning around our fortunes so quickly. Then you look at our squad and the players we have brought in under Mourinho and how they've performed. It clearly shows the massive financial backing, ambition and pull the club has enjoyed in the best is still very much there. There's a reason why we can sign these players and Arsenal can not.

If you're going to look at the characteristics of Jose and bring to light his longevity as a potential risk factor then you also need to bring into account his pedigree. Alongside Pep there isn't a manager who's record can be considered in the same bracket, he has a proven track recording of winning silverware wherever he manages.

Good post. The question I'd ask is would you rather have Mourinho for 3 years and win things or Wenger for ?? Years and keep getting top 4 and the off FA Cup.
 
What price would Arsenal be asking? £50m? £60m?

Can't be more than that...he will be in his last year of the contract.

Wenger has already said he won't sell to United again.

He even refused to sell us Debuchy.

He won't sanction this.

If they miss out on top 4 he'll be gone anyway...that would sort that problem. But even if he is still there, if Sanchez wants to go they have to sell or lose 50+ million, could be out of his hands just like RvP.
 
Many clubs can offer them the money. The reason Mkhitaryan and Pogba came to United was because no better clubs were in for them at the prices quoted. You can say I'm biased against United if you want but that is the reality of the situation at the moment (and I would be saying that exact same thing if we had bought those two players).

Agreed.

I would have loved Sanchez here and we should have gone all out for him 3 (?) seasons ago. That ship has now sailed, too many factors to stop this from happening, to name just a few:

- he preferred London over anywhere else in England
- we aren't in a successful period of time where any player would look at us like they would have 8 years ago
- plenty of other clubs can offer him success and cash
- perhaps his time in England is coming to an end
 
Fergie called Wenger personally and sorted the deal out. Since then, Wenger has said he'll never sell to United again. The board aren't going to over rule him if he sticking around, it would make his position untenable. He'll most likely go abroad.

Wenger didn't want to sell RVP or Nasri, Kroenke forced through both because they were in their last year of contract

Yeah. Apparently Wenger blocked the move last winter and Debuchy still can't get over it, that's why their relationship is strained.

You sure I thought it was the summer before this one.
 
Out of interest, how do Arsenal fans reflect on all the players that have been sold to Man City? Given that they are the most likely destination of the Premier League clubs (not that I think he'll end-up there - he'll settle for what Arsenal offer him eventually is my thinking), would sanctioning that move cause a similar reaction from fans in your view? Or is it just an anti-United thing that has kept the RVP wounds so raw?

There's two aspects to this I feel. Firstly, the sort of players we've sold to City weren't at the level of what van Persie was producing every week. Nasri was Nasri, erratic Adebayor, an ageing Kolo Toure and an average Gael Clichy weren't in the same bracket as RVP when we sold them (their subsequent careers sort of confirms this). They're the sort of players that i'd expect Wenger to replace without too much of a hassle (and he sort of did), contrast that to RVP where we've struggled season after season to get a top quality forward in.

Secondly, the rivalry with United is far more poisonous for historical reasons and compares nothing to how Arsenal fans feel toward the Sheikh's club.

Edit : Re: Sanchez to City - Arsenal fans would still be super *blud flam* pissed about selling our best player to a direct rival but probably a notch lower than if it were United we were selling to.
 
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He moped around on the pitch as well - played well, put in loads of effort, but was seemingly deliberately subdued during celebrations...

Think he's away, unless Wenger leaves in the summer and a young top coach comes in. Top quality player.
 
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