Alexis Sanchez | Staying at Arsenal after City deal falls apart

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Wonderful post. Can I say that this exact post could also be written about Zlatan and it explains why that Barca team can be so tough for certain types of players.. it isn't really an ability thing but a mindset incompatibility.

Neymar being a brazillian and more slower in his play, i.e. mixture of dribbling as well as keep ball, was a much better fit for a Barca side than a Sanchez, who at that stage of his career was a very Fergie-esque wide forward. He was at completely the wrong side for him both tactically and psychologically.

Suarez is fortunate, he joined the side when Enrique was manager and when Messi wasn't false 9 anymore because under Pep and peak Messi as a team mate, I don't think he'd have thrived.
I think the psychological factor of going to Barca and having to be subservient to a point where you lose yourself as an individual was rarely spoken of during their true peak. It's not every day you go to a club where three all-time greats are plying their trade alongside you, and as good as you are, you're not better than them.

Every time you do something wrong (not pass to them) and mess up, you're getting daggers from the whole stadium and your team-mates, even if not from those three directly. After a while, you're going to become automaton if you don't get the hell out of those conditions as you're pretty much only there to supplement their legacy unless you yourself are at an ATG level and can stand par with them.

I agree about Enrique vis-a-vis Pep for Saurez. The levels of expression and freedom he's currently granted would not be there under Pep's suffocating era.

To a lesser extent, the same happens at Real with so many attackers basically sacrificing their own legacy to make Ronaldo's greater. You've got to have a particular mindset to put up with that, I think.
 
Martial can rotate with Sanchez in cup games.

Sanchez is a far better player.
In a year Martial could move to upfront too.

He could really rotate with Zlatan and Sanchez.
 
He should really consider his options closely. Our club is the one on the way up + putting in enough money to reach the very top. Other teams are just trying to keep status quo. And yes, he's totally wasted at Arsenal. How the hell can he accept having to do all that work on his own. He will get injured or have a big drop of form within this month if Wenger keeps this up.



There's not a millisecond of a game where he's not complaining about his team mates. The standard difference is painful to watch. We all know what it's like ending up in a group that just sucks the energy out of you because they can't contribute with anything that you can't do better yourself.

Results of that is you'll have to:
1. Smile, drop to their level and just surrender to their standards. Feel happy with shit improvements because they are happy.
2. Highly protest against being teamed up with players below your standard and having to do everything for them while they're basking in your glory. To make things worse you also get paid pocket change while other players come out of retirement to play in China for 100x your salary.

I would love to hear some Arsenal fans trying to convince Alexis to stay.

#FreeAlexis #ContratcsAreHandcuffs

Thats exactly the type of thing which makes him a United player - that Fergie-high-standard. I only read Wenger's comments today about the incidents - even with him downplaying it - it sounded bad.
 
In a year Martial could move to upfront too.

He could really rotate with Zlatan and Sanchez.

I mean...you would have 4 world class (or soon to be) players for 3 forward slots (MKhi, Martial, Zlatan, Alexis) and Rashford that will slowly get more and more play time (and he would soon replace Zlatan as the member of "4"). Zlatan will be 36 next year and, as much as he is a freak of nature, he will play less, that's certain. We'll also play CL (hopefully) which means more imporant and intense games. PL will just get harder too. Sanchez can play in all forward slots we have effectively...that would so valuable.

It would mean Mata is gone tho...but I think it would be for the best. What we would be getting is too good to pass.
 
Won't be to a PL side though
With him having one year left in his contract this summer, Arsenal might be in a beggars can't be choosers situation, especially if he states his desire to leave.

Won't rule out City grabbing him up. Pep has bought him before, and he's a much better player now with PL experience.
 
If he moves to any other side in the top 6 they will be very hard to stop. Sanchez and Hazard or Sanchez and Mhki would be frighteningly good.

I think he would suit us perfectly on our left side but it would be a difficult situation with Martial having to be benched.
 
The money in China isn't going anywhere. He can go there when he's a bit past it and cash in huge then. In the meantime he won't be making pennies plying his trade for one of the major clubs in Europe, will he?

If it's being heavily subsidised by the Government and/or local businesses with strong government ties in an attempt to increase the league's popularity then there's every chance the taps will get turned off at some stage in the future if the political winds change.

He might get £200k a week in Europe and £10 million a year is a spectacular sum of money, even when you've paid tax on it you might be left with £7 million a year if you're getting good advice. But what if in a genuine attempt to sign a player in their prime a club offer him £1 million a week - or more? That's game changing and while some players would turn it down, a lot wouldn't.
 
Someone being a Beckham fanboy is a deciding factor when signing someone? And Griezmann being better, maybe (debatable)...where do you play him? You would push Pogba back into midfield two just to shoehorn him in? Instead of having Sanchez that would fit us perfectly, that can cover multiple forward positions (unlike Griezmann) and that would allow us to have perfect rotation bewteen 4 main attackers for 3 positions along with developing Rashford further. Hell, he would be cheaper too being in his last year of the contract and pushing for the exit...50-60 million instead of 80+ for Griezmann.
Being a Beckham fanboy makes it far more likely he would sign for us compared to the other top teams.
 
What about Benzema and Morata in that case?
Neither are as good as ronaldo or sanchez? Morata is mostly a bench player anyway. Benzema is around 30 years old and hasnt ever really been more then "good" for them. So yeah.
 
Martial can rotate with Sanchez in cup games.

Sanchez is a far better player.

Exactly. It's not like he wouldn't get any game time and Sanchez is a way better wide player as things stand so it would seem daft to me to pass up the opportunity (if it was there) for the sake of Martial, as much as I like him. The energy Sanchez would bring to our play would be great.
 
Remember this...? :nervous:

http://metro.co.uk/2016/10/26/paul-...entral-defender-claims-jose-mourinho-6215700/

But no, I was just riffing ideas of how you could hypothetically get Sanchez in this United team really.

How about this 4141...

-----------------------DDG-------------------
Val-----------Jones---------Bailly----------Blind
----------------------Carrick-------------------
Mkhi--------Herrera--------Pogba------Sanchez
-----------------------Zlatan---------------------

I'd love to see that.

Nah, Sanchez is better nearer to goal. He'd be best on the left of a 4-3-3 with Mkhi---Zlatan---Sanchez

Or central...Mkhi---Sanchez---Martial

But both have problems - we're either rotating Martial or rotating Zlatan, which neither would like.
 
Hang on. Has there been any credible reports or some reasonable rumors that he is looking to move and that we're interested? Why are we even discussing our squad options or whether Martial or anyone else can rotate with Sanchez FFS!
Not sure why this thread has exploded with activity. If it's for his "glove throwing" after the previous game, then I don't think there is much to it.
 
Hang on. Has there been any credible reports or some reasonable rumors that he is looking to move and that we're interested? Why are we even discussing our squad options or whether Martial or anyone else can rotate with Sanchez FFS!
Not sure why this thread has exploded with activity. If it's for his "glove throwing" after the previous game, then I don't think there is much to it.

He's not signing a new contract, this is what we know so far. Based on RVP who was in a similar situation - wanted to leave to win things, i think Sanchez is in the same boat.
 
Hang on. Has there been any credible reports or some reasonable rumors that he is looking to move and that we're interested? Why are we even discussing our squad options or whether Martial or anyone else can rotate with Sanchez FFS!
Not sure why this thread has exploded with activity. If it's for his "glove throwing" after the previous game, then I don't think there is much to it.
We're football fans and are living in a post-truth world. Who needs credible reports?!
 
Neither are as good as ronaldo or sanchez? Morata is mostly a bench player anyway. Benzema is around 30 years old and hasnt ever really been more then "good" for them. So yeah.

I'd disagree about Benzema, tho he is under Ronaldo's protection (he set him up crazy amount of goals) and they brought Morata to take over as a first striker soon.
 
I worded it wrongly, he can play other forward positions but he would not be as effective. If you sign someone for 80+ million you want to get the best out of him. If Griezmann is placed on the wing or something you wouldn't be getting that. Sanchez would be just as good on multiple forward slots, the flexibility we would get with him would be immense. Not just regarding from game to game rotation but during the games too. Him interchanging positions with our fowards during games would give us an extra dimension to our attack.

Didn't he play up front in the CL for Atleti last year and was bloody effective? He'd also have an upper hand as he plays with out best midfielder and Martial with the national team. Don't get me wrong I'm all for either, but I think they are both exceptional options.
 
Hang on. Has there been any credible reports or some reasonable rumors that he is looking to move and that we're interested? Why are we even discussing our squad options or whether Martial or anyone else can rotate with Sanchez FFS!
Not sure why this thread has exploded with activity. If it's for his "glove throwing" after the previous game, then I don't think there is much to it.

We're football fans and are living in a post-truth world. Who needs credible reports?!

For me, the transfer forum is mainly for hypothetical chats about speculative topics.

I don't post in here (or even read in here) very much, but sometimes I'll get sucked into a daydream/wishlist type transfer, but even then, as in the case of Sanchez, I'm talking hypothetically.

I doubt anyone in this thread actually thinks 'we will sign Sanchez'.
 
He's not signing a new contract, this is what we know so far. Based on RVP who was in a similar situation - wanted to leave to win things, i think Sanchez is in the same boat.

The only similarity being the lengths of their contracts. Arsenal are better off financially now, plus we had Fergie at the time, now we have Jose and for some reason, I get a feeling that Wenger wouldn't sell a virus to Jose :D

We're football fans and are living in a post-truth world. Who needs credible reports?!

touché

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For me, the transfer forum is mainly for hypothetical chats about speculative topics.

I don't post in here (or even read in here) very much, but sometimes I'll get sucked into a daydream/wishlist type transfer, but even then, as in the case of Sanchez, I'm talking hypothetically.

I doubt anyone in this thread actually thinks 'we will sign Sanchez'.

Well, transfer speculation is one part of it, here the discussion seems to have reached a stage where we've already signed him and we're looking at ways to accommodate him into the 11 :lol:

(in other words, the posts in this thread would have you believe that this is in the wrong forum and that it needs to be moved to the Manchester United forum :P)
 
He will probably end up in China with Oscar, Tevez & the other mercenaries.
 
Being a Beckham fanboy makes it far more likely he would sign for us compared to the other top teams.

And has absolutely no bearing on what we actually need. It's great that he's Beckham fanboy but that still doesn't make him better fit for the team than Sanchez.
 
Didn't he play up front in the CL for Atleti last year and was bloody effective? He'd also have an upper hand as he plays with out best midfielder and Martial with the national team. Don't get me wrong I'm all for either, but I think they are both exceptional options.

He usually doesn't play alone upfront. Reason why he was effective for them is that they had space to exploit in those few games against big teams and they hit them on the counter...it's going to be rare occasion for us where we can use him that way. Either way he won't take spot from Ibra regardless. He is far better as support striker...position we don't play cause we wanted to bring the best out of Pogba.

As for playing together with Martial and Pogba...he barely played with Martial and one of the main reasons France did so bad in Euros was that Pogba was forced to play further back in midfield two due to Griezmann playing in his preferred position. Pogba couldn't do what he does best due to that...overall consensus is that they don't fit together really.
 
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And has absolutely no bearing on what we actually need. It's great that he's Beckham fanboy but that still doesn't make him better fit for the team than Sanchez.
When did I say Griezmann is a better fit? I merely pointed out that imo he's the better player.
He usually doesn't play alone upfront. Reason why he was effective for them is that they had space to exploit in those few games against big teams and they hit them on the counter...it's going to be rare occasion for us where we can use him that way. Either way he won't take spot from Ibra regardless. He is far better as support striker...position we don't play cause we wanted to bring the best out of Pogba.

As for playing together with Martial and Pogba...he barely played with Martial and one of the main reasons France did so bad in Euros was that Pogba was forced to play further back in midfield two due to Griezmann playing in his preferred position. Pogba couldn't do what he does best due to that...overall consensus is that they don't fit together really.
France did so bad in the Euros? :eek:
 
When did I say Griezmann is a better fit? I merely pointed out that imo he's the better player.

France did so bad in the Euros? :eek:

My bad, wanted to say Pogba did...he was so subdued. Overall France didn't play to it's full potential as well and one of the main reasons was Pogba being forced to play further back in midfield two.
 
Always unstoppable, hope that Rashford can become like him.
I said a while back that Rashford reminded me more of Tevez than anyone and I think that applies to Alexis too. The tenacity Tevez/Alexis had/have - I see that in Marcus. I'd be very happy if he turned out like either of them.
 
Could it be that he, like Ozil, just wanna know if Arsene is staying or not?

Can't blame a player for wanting to know if he's being coached by Wenger or an even worse manager post-wenger

Seems like a good chance, he'll leave. Arsene seems on his last season
 
There's no chance Arsenal will sell to United again. And there is even less chance Wenger will sell even a spoon to mourinho.
 
Could it be that he, like Ozil, just wanna know if Arsene is staying or not?

Can't blame a player for wanting to know if he's being coached by Wenger or an even worse manager post-wenger

Seems like a good chance, he'll leave. Arsene seems on his last season

Seems odd, doesn't it? We're in January now and not a sign of whether or not Wenger is staying. Unless the renewal of Koscielny etc. is indication that he is.
 
He refused to move to Liverpool, i don't think China's a top destination for him.

Liverpool wouldn't be offering a fraction of the wages he'd get in China.

Don't think Sanchez is the type of character to move to China in his prime but I could definitely see him playing at City next season. Guardiola has been critical of Aguero and his inability to press from the front, even tried to sign Aubamayeng in the summer. With how well Sanchez has done up front and his obvious talent for that type of role it makes sense.
 
I could see him going to Juventus. Especially if they want to push further in the CL
 
Could we do something with Sanchez similar to what Di Maria did with PSG? Join a club, be unhappy at that club and we could swoop in and get a deal done for much less.
 
Liverpool wouldn't be offering a fraction of the wages he'd get in China.

Don't think Sanchez is the type of character to move to China in his prime but I could definitely see him playing at City next season. Guardiola has been critical of Aguero and his inability to press from the front, even tried to sign Aubamayeng in the summer. With how well Sanchez has done up front and his obvious talent for that type of role it makes sense.

City have an awful lot of forwards and Guardiola wasn't too happy with Alexis at Barce but then again City are no Barce.
 
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