Alexis Sanchez | Staying at Arsenal after City deal falls apart

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Even though this would be an amazing transfer, I don't see it happening. City are more likely to bag him especially with us almost finalizing Perisic transfer.
 
Will need to roll out Fergie to conduct the negotiations. wenger and Mourinho arent exactly the best of friends.

Whatever Fergie did to convince Wenger to sell him RVP, was a stroke of genius.
 
DevilRed said:
Will need to roll out Fergie to conduct the negotiations. wenger and Mourinho arent exactly the best of friends.

Whatever Fergie did to convince Wenger to sell him RVP, was a stroke of genius.
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Don't think he did much.

Rvp made it clear he wanted to leave and only wanted united.

We were still in selling mode coz of stadium debt.

Juve wanted him and we were willing to sell but he didn't want to go Italy. Bet if juve was an option, nothing fergie said would have worked.

You're all too fixed up on that transfer, assuming you can do it again. Very different circumstances nowadays to back then
 
Loke said:
Don't think he did much.

Rvp made it clear he wanted to leave and only wanted united.

We were still in selling mode coz of stadium debt.

Juve wanted him and we were willing to sell but he didn't want to go Italy. Bet if juve was an option, nothing fergie said would have worked.

You're all too fixed up on that transfer, assuming you can do it again. Very different circumstances nowadays to back then
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I never quite understood why the RVP thing is so big - I get Man Utd won that year and RVP was instrumental but surely City's consistent poaching of Arsenal players (Nasri, Clichy, Adebayour, Kolo, Sagna etc) and winning of multiple titles with a number of former Arsenal players is just as bad, if not worse overall?
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I never quite understood why the RVP thing is so big - I get Man Utd won that year and RVP was instrumental but surely City's consistent poaching of Arsenal players (Nasri, Clichy, Adebayour, Kolo, Sagna etc) and winning of multiple titles with a number of former Arsenal players is just as bad, if not worse overall?
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Van Persie was their best player and their captain, and the last of the brilliant young talents Wenger had acquired and nurtured. Also he scored against Arsenal almost every time he played against them after he joined us. And he really did lead us to the title, the players you mentioned that signed for City had moderate impacts at best. There is still a lot of salt in that wound, if Wenger sold Sanchez to us it really would feel like exactly the same thing all over again.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I never quite understood why the RVP thing is so big - I get Man Utd won that year and RVP was instrumental but surely City's consistent poaching of Arsenal players (Nasri, Clichy, Adebayour, Kolo, Sagna etc) and winning of multiple titles with a number of former Arsenal players is just as bad, if not worse overall?
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They poached our players when we were still in selling mode, RVP was the last big player to move to a rival from us. Pretty sure city got none since nor did any other team. That's 5 years now.

Also some of those left on a free like sagna, can't do much about those but we weren't really pushing to keep him anyway like we are with Sanchez.

As to answer your question of which is worse selling to united or city, both of yous can f off lol
 
Loke said:
They poached our players when we were still in selling mode, RVP was the last big player to move to a rival from us. Pretty sure city got none since nor did any other team. That's 5 years now.

Also some of those left on a free like sagna, can't do much about those but we weren't really pushing to keep him anyway like we are with Sanchez.

As to answer your question of which is worse selling to united or city, both of yous can f off lol
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Thanks for explaining - guess i underestimated how loved RVP was at Ars.

I have hope of Spurs having to shift a few more players given how you guys did when you moved to the Emirates.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Thanks for explaining - guess i underestimated how loved RVP was at Ars.

I have hope of Spurs having to shift a few more players given how you guys did when you moved to the Emirates.
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Not sure about how loved RVP was, but personally thought it was disgusting how he left after the only one good season he ever had with us.
He spent most of the previous seasons perennially injured and left as soon as his value was up at its highest. Almost like a betrayal of sorts so always thought it was funny how fergie 'left' him after one season as well.
 
Loke said:
Not sure about how loved RVP was, but personally thought it was disgusting how he left after the only one good season he ever had with us.
He spent most of the previous seasons perennially injured and left as soon as his value was up at its highest. Almost like a betrayal of sorts so always thought it was funny how fergie 'left' him after one season as well.
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That was Wenger's price - take RVP but retire next season... conspiracy theories abound!
 
it would be very foolish not to make enquiries at least - he is a Mourinho type player and would instantly improve the first team
 
At least for me he doesn't come across as a guy who would love to work hard and get Arsenal back into CL. I think he would definitely want out and Wenger not allowing it will only mean Arsenal will have a moaning Sanchez, who would more or less be like that Hazard at Chelsea in last Jose season.

Besides his statements are ridiculous. "I always want to play CL. Let's wait what Arsenal says."
Which just means I ll stay if you offer me ridiculous money that no one else gets.
 
Jose would temporarily win the feud with Wenger if we signed him. Hope something is happening behind the scenes.
 
Seems Arsenal are determined not to sell.
Hope we can nick him on a free.
 
I think it would be absolutely mental to let him go on a free next year. It's not as if Arsenal have particularly strengthened yet - given Lacazette, but that was hardly the issue last season.
 
Lash said:
I think it would be absolutely mental to let him go on a free next year. It's not as if Arsenal have particularly strengthened yet - given Lacazette, but that was hardly the issue last season.
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Why?
He wants to go to a rival.
They're right not to sell.
Sell him and they probably won't come top 4.
 
Adisa said:
Why?
He wants to go to a rival.
They're right not to sell.
Sell him and they probably won't come top 4.
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Agreed it's a bad situation, but you honestly think it's better having someone who doesn't want to be there for a season - could possibly carry their season again, only for them to leave for nothing at the end of it? Not to mention whilst being one of if not the highest earner at your club. Cut a deal and move on, it's not Sanchez FC.

You got to think of the long term for the club, keeping him just to ensure top 4 seems stupid. You could replace him with someone and still get top 4. Now - if they kept him, signed Lemar, and a CM, you could argue the case at least they'll probably challenge for the league. Which is worth it, but that wont happen.
 
Lash said:
Agreed it's a bad situation, but you honestly think it's better having someone who doesn't want to be there for a season - could possibly carry their season again, only for them to leave for nothing at the end of it? Not to mention whilst being one of if not the highest earner at your club. Cut a deal and move on, it's not Sanchez FC.

You got to think of the long term for the club, keeping him just to ensure top 4 seems stupid. You could replace him with someone and still get top 4. Now - if they kept him, signed Lemar, and a CM, you could argue the case at least they'll probably challenge for the league. Which is worth it, but that wont happen.
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Much harder though since you're strengthening a direct top 4 rival. If Wenger feels Sanchez will give 100% then the financial reward of making top 4 as well as the better prospects of replacing him with a suitable player next summer (can offer UCL) might be enough to offset losing him for free.

Not to mention if they make top 4, maybe they can keep him.
 
Cassidy said:
Much harder though since you're strengthening a direct top 4 rival. If Wenger feels Sanchez will give 100% then the financial reward of making top 4 as well as the better prospects of replacing him with a suitable player next summer (can offer UCL) might be enough to offset losing him for free.

Not to mention if they make top 4, maybe they can keep him.
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I do agree the directly strengthening a rival is hard to take, but it's the situation they've put themselves in by underperforming/underinvesting and not nailing him down to a longer deal. I think Arsenal are in a similar position to what we were when we didn't make top 4, they're still an attractive enough prospect to attract big talent.

I do get the argument for keeping him, but it's just bonkers and a huge gamble. What happens if they don't make top 4 again? which is quite possible as they didn't do it with Sanchez in the side last year. They now strengthen a rival for free, the club is far less attractive, as it looks like it doesn't know what it's doing and now has a track record of not making top 4.
 
Lash said:
I do agree the directly strengthening a rival is hard to take, but it's the situation they've put themselves in by underperforming/underinvesting and not nailing him down to a longer deal. I think Arsenal are in a similar position to what we were when we didn't make top 4, they're still an attractive enough prospect to attract big talent.

I do get the argument for keeping him, but it's just bonkers and a huge gamble. What happens if they don't make top 4 again? which is quite possible as they didn't do it with Sanchez in the side last year. They now strengthen a rival for free, the club is far less attractive, as it looks like it doesn't know what it's doing and now has a track record of not making top 4.
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How attractive is a club that bends over and takes it whenever a rival wants one of their players? Best option by far is to keep him.
 
Thought Juventus would be linked more than they have, however unless PSG offer obscene money he will go nowhere. I'd bet on him staying tbh
 
I'd wank myself dry if we signed this fella. He's the missing piece, or someone in his position and style..
 
Lash said:
Agreed it's a bad situation, but you honestly think it's better having someone who doesn't want to be there for a season - could possibly carry their season again, only for them to leave for nothing at the end of it? Not to mention whilst being one of if not the highest earner at your club. Cut a deal and move on, it's not Sanchez FC.

You got to think of the long term for the club, keeping him just to ensure top 4 seems stupid. You could replace him with someone and still get top 4. Now - if they kept him, signed Lemar, and a CM, you could argue the case at least they'll probably challenge for the league. Which is worth it, but that wont happen.
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I think Arsenal think if they couldn't make top 4 last year with Sanchez they've got less chance next year without him, regardless of their signings. With the signings and Sanchez they fancy their chances and then they're back in the CL. If there's a marked improvement they could even convince him to stay, a year is a long time. If not they lose him on a free but at least they're back in the CL, which is worth a lot, financially. It depends what they're offered I guess. If it's £50m ish the CL is worth more to them. If it was significantly higher maybe it would test their resolve.
 
Adebesi said:
I think Arsenal think if they couldn't make top 4 last year with Sanchez they've got less chance next year without him, regardless of their signings. With the signings and Sanchez they fancy their chances and then they're back in the CL. If there's a marked improvement they could even convince him to stay, a year is a long time. If not they lose him on a free but at least they're back in the CL, which is worth a lot, financially. It depends what they're offered I guess. If it's £50m ish the CL is worth more to them. If it was significantly higher maybe it would test their resolve.
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They should win the Europa league to get into ucl directly will set a better example.
 
prtk0811 said:
They should win the Europa league to get into ucl directly will set a better example.
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Well of course that'd be the awesome way to do it, doubt Arsenal have sufficient class for that tho, think the 4th place trophy is more their style. But yes, in terms of convincing Sanchez to stay the Europa Cup is clearly more likely to get his juices flowing, being the biggest cup you can win except for all the bigger ones.
 
The Champions League ain't what it used to be in terms of financial reward anymore. It's 30-ish million pounds (best case scenario), which in the world of the new Premiership TV deal - is peanuts.
 
Moonwalker said:
The Champions League ain't what it used to be in terms of financial reward anymore. It's 30-ish million pounds (best case scenario), which in the world of the new Premiership TV deal - is peanuts.
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Is it as simple as that? I actually don't know all the ins and outs. But in our case the Adidas money is tied in making it a bit more complicated than you are saying. But yeah for Arsenal it might not be as important. Tho I'd argue the less tangible factor of being a CL team, offering CL football, is pretty important. I've always thought so, despite plenty of evidence that it isn't the decisive factor.
 
Adebesi said:
I think Arsenal think if they couldn't make top 4 last year with Sanchez they've got less chance next year without him, regardless of their signings. With the signings and Sanchez they fancy their chances and then they're back in the CL. If there's a marked improvement they could even convince him to stay, a year is a long time. If not they lose him on a free but at least they're back in the CL, which is worth a lot, financially. It depends what they're offered I guess. If it's £50m ish the CL is worth more to them. If it was significantly higher maybe it would test their resolve.
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I'm not so sure that's true, the over-reliance on him could be a factor as why they didn't make top 4 anyway. Getting in some fresh faces and people who want to get the club going again could be a positive. Maybe I'm being a bit old school, but if someone was offering 50m for my best player, who is in the last year of his contract and has actively sought moves away - not to mention he was a little b*tch last year when the chips were down. I would snap your hand off. Like I said before, it's not Sanchez FC. Arsenal will continue to be a great team long after he's gone and I'd much rather focus on getting people in who'd want to be here. Let's not forget, you get shot of him for 50m, you could get in someone like Schick - an exciting talent and also basically add 20m to your Lemar bid. They've also could actually bother playing Perez, who is very capable of getting goals in this league and I fully expect Iwobi to be a bit more influential this season as well (although I do think he was ridiculously overrated last season).
 
John_Jensen said:
How attractive is a club that bends over and takes it whenever a rival wants one of their players? Best option by far is to keep him.
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You are framing it as if they really have a choice in the matter. Is it attractive to keep a player against his will for a year, only to see him leave on a free and let the team probably suffer as a result?
 
@Lash it's not a matter of not wanting to lose sanchez, it's a matter of money. £50M is not enough to replace, plain and simple. You'd have to gamble big, and arsenal right now are not in a position for big gambles

Schick is too big a gamble atm, and Lemar isn't a sure thing yet, either. Would be different if they could use the alexis money to sign both, and still leave their transfer budget intact to go after other big players
 
Always figured it was likelier for him to go to PSG than City. Its' a compromise between him and Arsenal that he is allowed to leave and they don't sell to a rival.

Good thing if so. Arsenal with Sanchez and Lacazette could challenge for the title even with Wenger incharge. With the current market for wingers, I can't see them getting a distinct upgrade or even equivalent replacement for Sanchez.
 
Moonwalker said:
The Champions League ain't what it used to be in terms of financial reward anymore. It's 30-ish million pounds (best case scenario), which in the world of the new Premiership TV deal - is peanuts.
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I think you are way off there, where did you get this number from? I know Real got around €90M and Juve got over €100M last year directly from Uefa in prize money.
  • Base fee for group stage: €12,700,000
  • Group match victory: €1,500,000
  • Group match draw: €500,000
  • Round of 16: €6,000,000
  • Quarter-finals: €6,500,000
  • Semi-finals: €7,500,000
  • Losing finalist: €11,000,000
  • Winning the Final: €15,500,000
Plus market share pool which was around €30M - €35M alone for the winners, depending on loads of factors determined by the value of the television market in each country but every club gets their share. The big 4 leagues get a large slice of this pool.
 
@giorno

I'm not really advocating those particular signings, I just meant the perspective of what you could do. I agree, it is a gamble, but I think it's a bigger gamble to keep him for the sake of possible CL qualification. Regardless how they perform this season, they're not going to be a team that competes for top honours in the CL, which will ultimately mean he'll leave and going to leave on a free. Would you not want to try and rebuild your team now, when you can actually get some sort of money to help you do that?
 
Judas said:
Why? how are they any more likely than last season? They don't have a hope with him or without him, they'll collapse like they always do.

The problem with Arsenal is they always try to walk it in.
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Haven't lost anyone of significance and added Lacazette/Kolasinac.
 
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