Lets hope you make him your captain so United can buy him next year.
Alexis Sanchez | Signed for Arsenal
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Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea are not stronger than they were back then. The teams at the top have just gotten worse. Back then premier league teams used to be getting to semi finals and the final of the cl, now some of them struggle to even get out of the group.
Not at all. He has shown that his philosophy (if it is supported by the club, players, fans etc) give as much results as any other philosophy. He also makes team play good football. So while we get trophies and play great football, I don't give a shit how many superstar we sign. If I want signing superstars as a priority I would choose to support Madrid.Depressing
Neither would would I, but the fact is Liverpool still finished 5 places above us last season and are bringing in numbers, a lack of something that probably cost them the title last season. Right now we have less numbers than last season, if you think LVG alone will bridge that 22 point to City and that 20 point gap to Liverpool, then you want us to play a risky game and risks are something we can't afford to take after last season.
Or you know, be a better more attractive club to play for. That's the slap in the face.
Last year, Liverpool fans were incredulous that a player would choose Arsenal over Liverpool, and that was when you had no CL football.
What's changed?
We finished thirty or so points above them and then they signed Sakho and Toure and finished twenty points above us. It shows very well how signing players isn't the most important thing.
Neither of them (obviously bar City) have been near as strong as on those years Raul mentioned. On those years, three English teams reached consistently semi finals of UCL while now barely a team or two reach quarter finals. And then the next group of teams completely fail on Europa League. EPL IMO currently is the second - third stongest league in Europe (after Spain and possibly Germany) while on that time it was a distant first.
So, time to wake up
No chance!We will just have to agree to disagree. Next season will be the strongest ever. Quote me next summer.
Yes they have obviously worked very hard to spend over £60m on Herrera and Shaw and let players like Sanchez and Fabregas and most likely also Kroos slip away from them for figures under £30m. I'am sorry but Uniteds business in the transfermarket isn't making me happy one bit. It is a step forward from doing absolutley nothing an entire summer long and then spending £27.5m last minute on Fellaini, but you could hardly take a step backwards from that one, it is not what it is supposed to be if you look at other clubs. ofcourse not being in the CL and having such a disaster of a season isn't helping, but that situation is of their own making.
I really hope Woodward is going to come out with a couple more signings that will really improve our squad like Vidal, Di Maria, Hummels etc, but I really don't have much confidence in it.
Don't you think Moyes was the biggest reason that we finish 22(?) points behind city?
Liverpool were challenging for the title this year. Are you suggesting this was because the others regressed? Madness.
Nice. The do tempt you to the "dark side" with all shiny players they sign.There is absolutely no way, mate. You was what a poor Barca did to the champions of England last season, and we saw what an underdog like Atletico Madrid did to what is regarded the best team on England. And we saw how Bayern beat both us and Arsenal.
We will just have to agree to disagree. Next season will be the strongest ever. Quote me next summer.
I don't think that there is even a slim chance that 4 English teams will reach quarters of UCL or 3 EPL teams will reach the semis. If two of them do it, it will be a great success, but I doubt it'll happen. Most likely Liverpool will fail on group stage (being in the last pot if I am not mistaken) and then from the other three only Chelsea reaching the semis again. EPL on the last few years has been a shadow of it's former self but hopefully it will improve on these years and signs are good considering that some good players are coming. But to reach the height of 2006-2009 it won't be an easy task and it may need a few years.
Not at all, I think he was part of the reason. But i think the main reason we finished 22 points behind City was the greatest manager of all time left us and we have an average squad with a lot of deadwood and I (and many other people) said it like that even when Sir Alex was here.
It is partly because the others have regressed. Are you suggesting that city (the champions) are as good as or better than Chelsea from 04/05 and 05/06 and united from 06/07 to 08/09? Teams that used to do well in EUROPE as well as the league. Madness.
Never liked your policy and many times it had backfired. Selling Makelele for whatever reasons be it cause he wasn't handsome or because you 'needed' Beckham was a terrible thing you did with big consequences. Or sacking Del Bosque for only winning 2 La Liga and 2 UCL within 4 years set you a few years back and you needed a decade or so to get back when you were. Of course, at times it is a great thing (especially on the summer) but I think that a more balanced system is better.
City who were humiliated by the worst Barca on at-least the last 5 years. I think that each of Liverpool, United, Chelsea and Arsenal of those years would have reached 95 points on last season in the league. The quality was absolutely shambolic on what is regarded by some people (mainly those who watch only it) as the best league in the world.
Agreed. I love the way there is always some of the best players in the world at he club, but I don't like the lack of stability and the constant changing of players among other things. Other big clubs in spain do the same though and so do clubs in Italy. It seems like clubs in England are beginning to follow suit too (although not all of these clubs do it at the same scale Madrid do).
Never liked your policy and many times it had backfired. Selling Makelele for whatever reasons be it cause he wasn't handsome or because you 'needed' Beckham was a terrible thing you did with big consequences. Or sacking Del Bosque for only winning 2 La Liga and 2 UCL within 4 years set you a few years back and you needed a decade or so to get back when you were. Of course, at times it is a great thing (especially on the summer) but I think that a more balanced system is better.
Using Europe to compare EPL strength is flawed. The Champions League, in my opinion has improved leaps and bounds too.
City are easily as good as Chelsea 04-06. Are you kidding me?
I don't want us to sign superstars for the sake of it, I want us to sign players to will really improve us. I don't think Sanchez would have just been a marquee signing for us, I think he would have been a very important quality injection for our right wing.
I don't want United to nesc spend more on players than they have done in the past or bring in more superstars, I'd just wish that if they'd spend and got in big names it would be players that would actually make sense and improve us in the areas we are lacking quality in, like CM, Wings etc not collecting players for the number 10 and number 9 position...
Sure LVG is a special coach and he can work miracles with lesser players, and I'am all for that buy them for the system thinking but quality is also important and we simply don't have enough of it here at United. We have been paving over lack of quality for years with ferguson, and we have been quite succesful, yet I think if we had just bought quality players for the positions that made sense at the time, we could have been even more succesful and actually still be on the Real Madrid, Bayern level. Van Gaal will improve us, and I'am happy about that, but will his mere presence just be enough to get us back were we belong, I doubt it. I don't want us to keep paving over the quality issue, I want us to actually solve the issue once and for all.
Real Madrid is an extreme case, and I don't want us to become like them, but surely our way of spending and improving the squad is far from ideal either. You can improve on that without becoming silly as Madrid.
I think you need to slow down a bit, maybe lower your expectations?
A top manager can do wonders, look At Mourinho/Brenden last season or even Martinez. My point, buying top players is not always the answer.. Team morals/spirit/unity is far bigger factor then any shiny signings.
Don't be disappointed if we don't sign Di Maria etc.. As long as Van gaal make us play like a team - we will be fine. There is always next transfer window and next Di Maria etc.
It isn;t flawed at all. That is the benchmark. You can't take only EPL in consideration and say that it is a great league if EPL teams get humiliated from foreign counterparts. City was embarrased from Barca this year and were embarrased from BVB the last one. They couldn't even pass the group stage last year FFS, the champions of England. Could you imagine the Maureen Chelsea or United on 2006-2007 up to 2009-2010 bot being able to pass the group stage on UCL?
The same song is for Europa too. English teams are worse then their counterparts even on that competition. So, how in the end this is that a strong league. Spain currently is miles better as are showing their big 3 but also other teams who consistenly win Europa.
That Chelsea team could go toe-to-toe with the Barcelona team with Ronaldinho et al and even beat them in 04/05 and 06/07. This city team went out in the group stages twice in a row and lost to the worst Barcelona team in years that won nothing this year. Its not even just the fact that they lost to them but the manner in which they lost to them (and yet still bizarelly blamed the ref and sky sports claimed kompany played well
). They pretty much stumbled over the line this year also, while that Chelsea team was well ahead of its competitors.No doubt. But that being the ONLY and sole reason why he wants to join. Not Wenger, cash, etc etc etc. Just the London-factor
I guess he wasn't in LVG's "plans" too then.
I don't want all of them, but atleast one top player for a position we are lacking top players in would make sense in what is supposed to be a big spending (trying to adjust the wrongs from last season) summer.
Shaw and herrera are nice players, but they aren't top players and they won't be game changers for us. They'll improve us a bit, yet we have paid for them like they are some of the best players in their position. I have no problem with overpaying, but if it is going to stand in the way from signing players like Sanchez for an actually more than reasonable fee when they are available then feck it.
Na, don't agree with you. Our current squad was more then capable to finish last season in top 4. For me hiring a top manager is bigger factor then any top signings. A top manager can make most of a average squad but I think a average manager will make top players look sh**.
You know, Sanchez wasn't always as good as the Sanchez we see today. Someone had to take a chance on him when he wasn't in the top bracket. So at least give Herrera and Shaw the chance to prove they aren't game changers.
People complained about us not buying Ozil ("when a player like that becomes available, you can't just let them go to another team") not knowing we were working on Mata.
We have no idea what plans are in place, so wait at least while before criticising the club for not buying Sanchez.
It would've been great to sign him of course, but he's just one player after all.
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That Chelsea team could go toe-to-toe with the Barcelona team with Ronaldinho et al and even beat them in 04/05 and 06/07. This city team went out in the group stages twice in a row and lost to the worst Barcelona team in years that won nothing this year. Its not even just the fact that they lost to them but the manner in which they lost to them (and yet still bizarelly blamed the ref and sky sports claimed kompany played well
I don't accept the Chelsea thing at all. Look at the teamsheet, not what they achieved at the time. For me, Aguero, Yaya, Sliva etc win the day comfortably.
If van Gaal wants to continue to play Valencia and Young out on the wings....I'm going to kill my...I mean so be it.
Great signing for Arsenal.
Great signing for Arsenal.
That Chelsea team was strong in all areas, there's a reason why they got the record points total, they were excellent.
The league wasn't as strong back then, which is my point.
I find it hard to believe that I am the only one that believes this.
Shaw/Herrera? What about RVP/Mata/Adnan/kagawa/Rooney/Wellbeck Or our youngsters Wilson/Lingard etc. I think it's a bit immature of us to totally ignore Carick/Fletcher as players. They are not world class but they can play for the shirt and put a honest shift.
You make it sound like we are some sort of pub team or fighting relegation. Maybe we are not signing Sanchez because we want to sign someone else. It's very simple, I really don't understand how can you get frustrated with all that.
Unless you think that football has significantly improved, otherwise it is pretty much constant. You mentioned a few players. But lets see:
During those years EPL has Drogba, Lampard, Essien, Terry, Cech, Carvalho, Cole, Rio, Vidic, Evra, VDS, Ronaldo, Scholes, Giggs, Rooney, Henry, Fabregas, Mascherano, Alonso, Gerrard, Torres as world class players. Look now, at best you'll have Suarez (who is leaving), RVP (when fit), De Gea, Aguero, Yaya and at a big push Silva, Mata, Ozil and Rooney as world class players. Also, most of those I mentioned (at-least half of them) would have been on top 20 players in the world (many in top 10). Now only Suarez, Yaya, Aguero and RVP (when fit) are in that category. During those times EPL had a Ballon D'Or winner and a few others who made the top 3 (Lampard, Gerrard, Torres) but now there is no player who have made top 3 on a few years and only Suarez may come near it.
So, English teams fail in Europe, players in England aren't as good as they were on that time. How then it results with a better league than back then?
Great signing for Arsenal, should improve them quite a bit. Everybody is strengthening this summer, gonna be a great season!
If we compare player by player, I would go with something like:
Cech > Hart
Ferreira =< Zabaleta
Terry > Kompany
Carvalho > Nastasic/Demichelis
Cole > Kolarov/Clichy
Makelele > Fernandinho
Essien = Yaya Toure
Lampard > Silva
Cole < Aguero
Robben/Gudjohnsen >= Nasri
Drogba > Dzeko/Negredo
I think that Chelsea of that time is so much better than this City that it isn't even funny. On a hypothetical game, I guess that it would have been a slaughter.
Anyway, my last post in this topic, so lets go back to Sanchez. Good signing for both Arsenal and for the quality of the league. He'll have much more impact than Ozil.
I kinda get what NoArro is saying, We've spent nearly £60million on Shaw and Herrera, but could of got Fabregas and Sanchez for the same price. Obviously the latter are better and most of us would have preferred the Barcelona duo, but Maybe Shaw and Herrera will fit Van Gaals system better.
We really do need to crack on and sign some world class talents now (At least 2 marquee signings). Di Maria is better than Sanchez and would massively improve our starting 11 with his energy.
Basically, Finishing this transfer window with Shaw, Herrera and Vermaelan as our only signings would be an utter disaster, but I'm confident better players are coming in.
We really do need to crack on and sign some world class talents now (At least 2 marquee signings). Di Maria is better than Sanchez and would massively improve our starting 11 with his energy.
Basically, Finishing this transfer window with Shaw, Herrera and Vermaelan as our only signings would be an utter disaster, but I'm confident better players are coming in.
No way was Robben/Gudjohsen back then better than today's Nasri, Dzeko/Negredo might not be better than Drogba but Aguero definitely is. Yaya is also comfortably better than Essien.
This is the Alexis Sanchez thread, fellas.
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