And I thought Evertonians were bitter...
Alexis Sanchez | Signed for Arsenal
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Harsh but deserved.Says an Arsenal supporter whose club have the same number of Champions League trophies as a local team of bin men.
Correct, but Arsenal seems to be selling their best players more often. It's like a feeder club to "powerhouses" with a top 4 ambition every season. Even though you won a trophy last season and it was some how a successful season but the way Arsenal's tittle challenge collapsed is nothing short of embarrassment. Apparently It's between Arsenal/juve/Liverpool to sign Sanchez - if reports are correct he favours "one-team league side juventus" over mighty Arsenal. I wonder why is that.
We'll see about humbling next year, you'd think not winning anything significant for a decade would learn you something aswell, you'd think seeing your captain and life time Arsenal fan Robin Van persie turning his back on your club to join United for the sake of winning things would learn you something aswell.
I don't feel entitled for anything, I'am just stating the clear obvious thing that United is a bigger more succesfull club than Arsenal except this one year where we were run by an absolute clown and made some mistakes that we are doing everything we can atm to avoid repeating. I'am also stating the clear obvious fact that if a bigger more succesfull club offers you a contract than (as a top player) it shows a lack of ambition (or lack of respect for said bigger club) when you join a smaller less succesfull team.
The butt hurt I got this season, learned me that a club like United should not be run by a manager like Moyes and that we can't expect to be succesfull just by having the name Manchester United, but that we have to have a real boss, a proven manager and also need to wake up and realise our squad isn't as good as it was a couple of years ago and that we need to start investing in it if we want to be succesful. Now if United would refrain from doing such things, I'd be the first one to acknowlodge a move to Arsenal makes more sense, I'd be the first one to acknowledge United isn't a top destination anymore and has no attraction for players anymore (and rightly so). But the situation has changed, we have a top manager again and we have the intent to really spend and invest in the team (not just talking about doing so like you guys). Being turned down for Arsenal feels like an insult, it is like the player is laughing at the club and at its intentions. We are not moyes United anymore and we're not a 7th spot team without CL ambition either, but Sanchez seems to be treating us like one.
Wouldn't you feel the same if one of your top targets would turn you down to join Everton instead ?
That's very unfair comparison mate.
Martinez said once or twice that he wants to win the title whereas Wenger's ambitions end on fourth place.
I'll be honest fella, I read part of your first paragraph and left it at that. Your ramblings aren't worth the time, hell, even your fellow supporters are laughing at you. Says it all really.
Now where's that 'didn't read LOL' gif?
Why does United being bigger than Arsenal mean a player, when given equal offers from both clubs, is stupid to not join us? Is being bigger (and being more successful in the past (largely due to a man who isn't here any more)) the be-all and end-all for a footballer?
So many United fans need to believe there's some ulterior motive if any player snubs us for someone other than Madrid - it must help them sleep at night.
"Hazard only joined Chelsea for money. There's nothing else it could have been" - well, if that makes you feel better.
It's Arsenal for Pete's sake, not bloomin' QPR.
So many United fans need to believe there's some ulterior motive if any player snubs us for someone other than Madrid - it must help them sleep at night.
"Hazard only joined Chelsea for money. There's nothing else it could have been" - well, if that makes you feel better.
It's Arsenal for Pete's sake, not bloomin' QPR.
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Chill man, we got Adnan januzaj
no need for Sanchez. He will probably do a RVP/Nasri etc and leave in near future.Yea exactly I didn't touch upon that point in my previous post. But what a load of crap that Arsenal is progressing, you'd be thinking Arsenal came close to winning the league or the CL or something ? They sell their best players at a faster rate then they add new quality players, that is no way to progress, the only thing that is an achievement for Arsenal is that they actually managed to stand still all this team and not fall out of top 4. If there is one club lacking ambition in the league, it is Arsenal, they sit on their cash, they pull the same tricks out of their asses year in year out to keep the fans happy and avoid an uprising like we have seen here at United this season. Sanchez is just another trick, it is not a move that will bring them closer to winning the PL or the CL, it is a way to spend a little bit of cash to keep the fans happy enough so they don't need to spend more cash.
Also what a load of crap about ambition being joining a club that doesn't win anything but wants to win something. every club wants to win something, I guess him joining Aston Villa would prove he has more ambition than joining Arsenal than aswell...I'd understand it if there was a genuine project at Arsenal, but there isn't, Arsenal isn't going to spend £100m or more, they don't have the intent, they'll continue doing it their way and relly on Wenger and his youth strategy, which has proved to be unsuccesfull for like a decade. Again joining Arsenal when you can move to a club that can actually win shit, is just a clear lack of ambition or disrespect for the other club (or both perhaps).
@ the big bollocked gooners. Wenger is going to dominate the world again yeah?
I cant wait for the surge in confidence from the Arsenal fans. It's funny how they do it to themselves just about every time. Hope we properly undress them at the Emirates
As I posted earlier you make some valid points, perhaps you are not putting it forward correctly. You don't need to shout about it - everyone knows where Arsenal stands compare to United
If they do break with tradition and spend big on players not called Ozil it certainly will be an interesting season. But Wenger is Wenger and he will Wenger it all up somehow
This transfer will give Arsene an excuse not to buy a striker. That does not worry Arsenal fans?
They are genuinely the only team I know who can have Ozil, Sanchez, whoever else alongside adding a world class striker and still not strike fear in my heart. Bottling is just instilled within the club.
Edit: not that they'll do any of this, mind. Another few french youngsters and it's back to "Wenger out!"
The Arsenal fans aren't really saying anything unreasonable to be honest.
Definitely. Spoke with some arsenal fans earlier this summer and they spoke of their annoyance of wenger not making in-game adjustments. Basically it's a way he expresses his arrogance by not changing the system and also his rotation policy. I'm expecting to see the same lack of action from him if a game is going south
Hazard joined CL winners and a club that has actually won the PL several times this decade, a club that has money and the intent of spending it. I think Hazard was foolish to join Chelsea over us, because I believe he would win more things at this club and have a more succesful career, but it is a point you can discuss and if hazard thinks differently about this, then that is unfortunate for us and good for Chelsea but I can understand it atleast.
Arsenal is not QPR you are right but it is no Chelsea either and it is defenetially not United. It is a club that was might succesfull in the thirties-fourties and around the millenium change, which has been more than a decade ago !
Yea they are a big club and they sit on a pile of money I know that. But I also know they don't want to spend it because it is against their philosphy and fair play they can have their own philosphy but it is the reality they haven't had any major success with it and still they cling to it. if you don't win shit year in year out, then you are not a succesfull team, if you are not a succesfull team for a long time than you become smaller, that is how it works. If we'd have a repeat of our previous season or would fail to win anything for a long time, I would start to feel small aswell and I would find it a miracle to a player like Sanchez would join us over a bigger more succesful club, that is just plain logic. Equally I'd understand that the bigger club would feel butt hurt and would have their ego damanged.
I'd enjoy that feeling as the smaller club, but as the bigger club I hate that feeling. Why is it seem as a crime that I vent said frustration on the club site of own god damn team. It is not like I'am venting it on an Arsenal forum, if the Arsenal fans can't deal with that, then they shouldn't fecking be on a United forum. It is a normal human feeling and you see it all over at other clubs, but hey be carefull for the moral superiors on redcafe because they will look down upon you if you dare to express normal human emotions on there...
I wish.
Idiot posters can still be called out for being idiots, no?
Really at this point in time we have a little more reason to be optimistic than usual. We will have to wait until the end of the window to be sure (as in addressing the holes in the squad).
I remember seeing someone on here calling Ozil a panic buy and being laughed at. While 'panic' was the wrong word, it definitely appeared to me that he was a player (obviously a good one, but not necessarily the right one) bought opportunistically out of worry that they'd end up with no marquee signing to appease the fans who were half with Wenger-half against him, and all frustrated at the lack of transfer movement at the time.
Fair enough Ozil cost them £40 million. but that was basically all they spent. £40 million is £40 million whether they spent it on one player, two players, or 10.
They needed to spend more than that, but the fans were all so excited by Ozil, so it was job done for the board members.
Arsenal really need to spend on a top striker (£30 million, unless there's a bargain out there) and a centre midfielder. And if they do that as well as bring in Sanchez, then fair play.
But if they don't it'll look to me like them taking advantage of Sanchez being a reasonably priced big name (who'll excite the fans) but not putting their hands in their pockets to spend what's really necessary.
So as much as Sanchez would be a great signing individually, if like you say, it gives them an excuse to not spend the big money on a striker, then it's not likely to propel Arsenal that much higher. Considering other teams may well be buying players just as good.
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Sanchez or no Sanchez, Arsenal will pick up a couple injuries (probably in defence), go through a bad spell, get knocked out the CL and get 4th at the end of the season.
Are Arsenal being linked with any strikers at all?
Are Arsenal being linked with any strikers at all?
Mario Balotelli but Arsene denied it.
if this transfer doesn come off, i wont be surprised to see #wengerout circulating again. Gets hard for me to gauge how arsenal fans feel about him. Seems like it will go through though but as Willian's transfer to chelsea showed, it's not done until it's done.
I'am not an idiot, I'am just frustrated about being rejected by Sanchez and I vent said frustration as a Manchester United fan on a Manchester United forum.
Do you have to be an idiot for being frustrated about getting rejected by one of your top targets ? Do you have to be an idiot to think about the possible reasons for being rejected ? Do you have to be an idiot to think United is a bigger club than Arsenal ? Do you have to be an idiot to assume a rational player with ambition would normally prefer a move to a bigger more succesful club than a smaller club ? Do you have to be an idiot be frustrated about having your ego as the "bigger" club damanged ? Finally do you have to be an idiot to vent that frustration about such a failed transfer in the transfer thread on your club forum ?
If i were you I'd refrain from using such words as idiot to describe fellow posters. If I'am not mistaken a rule on here is to discuss the post, not the poster, that rule also applies to you.
Only Balotelli at this point and that has really died down.
Maybe if Campbell coming back we won't sign one. Who knows what Wenger will do with Walcott when he returns and with Sanchez IF he ends up signing for us.
Well ofcourse that could also be the case, I'll refer you to my inital post that seemingly started this entire silly discussion:
See I also have those ones down as possibilities
There are other alternatives like Griezmann and Di Maria, provided we signed either of those losing out on Sanchez wouldn't be the end of the world. But they're big if's and but's at this point.
And we definitely need a quality midfielder to compliment Ramsey.
If we brought in: Sanchez (or equivalent), a back-up GK, Schneiderlin/Khedira/Bender and Debuchy, and bring back Campbell and I will be well pleased.
And you'll play with 2 centrebacks in your squad (assuming Vermaelen leaves). Hope one of them gets a knock and will be out for a couple of months, see if you'll be well pleased then aswell.
You did. I think you are a fare poster, sometimes your post are to long for me to read but I do like reading them. Chin up.Well ofcourse that could also be the case, I'll refer you to my inital post that seemingly started this entire silly discussion:
See I also have those ones down as possibilities
Thanks, feels alot better than being called an idiot.
Man you hate Arsenal, I hope you don't have one of those magic voodoo dolls of Wengeraight I don't want anybody to get injurred, I was just trying to say that Arsenal also needs a back up centreback, because assuming one of them gets injurred they'll be in alot of problems if they don't.
Nah actually I really like Arsenal as, I just don't agree with their philosphy on how to win silverware. I'am just pissed off about being rejected by another one of our top targets, that is all.
No you said that you hope one of them gets injured. You weren't trying to say anything about problems. Wishing injuries on players because of some strange obsession with Arsenal.
Which is a silly thing to say.
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