I think its faily obvious we are not in for the player - people would love us to be (myself included), but i dont see us having an interest.
Move on folks!
Move on folks!
Alexis Sanchez | Signed for Arsenal
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Rooney can do lot better than Mata in the hole if it requires tracking back and helping out midfield. Plus he and Mata can be fluid in SS/CAM position and LW position. Also, RvP goes missing in many games and stops trying if things are not going his way. So even he is not a certainty to be playing up top every time. A player like Rooney can be LW, SS or play upfront. No other player in team can do it with same efficiency. Rooney should be one of the first names on teamsheet.
Technically both Mata and Van Persie are better players than Rooney. I agree that both can be questioned when it comes to defensive responsibilities but I think that under LVG could change as he won't expect passengers in the side. Where I don't agree with though is that Rooney should be first name on the team sheet. Wayne isn't are best footballer. He may be right up their in terms off team effort and work rate but he is also prone to go missing in games (just like 99% of footballers to be fair). If LVG can find a system that accommodates all three where they are all comfortable then great otherwise I'd like to see us stop with this just playing players out of position just to get them in the team.
I will eat my hat if Januzaj gets a start in any game of significance with a match fit rooney sitting on the bench.
It's a real shame we don't seem to even be in the hunt for Sanchez, he's a fantastic talent and just what our attack is missing.
Yep, it seems that way unfortunately. Dirk Kuyt it is then...
It's van Gaal. He put Klose and Toni on the bench so he could play 19-year old Muller and Olic up top.
Up to Louis now. I'm quite confident he will, when it comes to the wing. But I did previously sort of agree with what you were saying.
Anyone else feel like we might hijack this deal?
Nah, in fact i think someone has hijacked Woody-not done any deals for a week now.
No. I suspect he will be playing for Arsenal come the start of the season.
And the Telegraph does?
If I recall correctly, you mentioned Liverpool's second place finish (so incredible performance last season) in addition to champions league football as what Liverpool offer however I said he will have a memory longer than one season and such a finish due to Liverpool's consistent recent failures will have as much bearing as Luke Shaw joining a club based 7th in the league.
The United reference is that four champions league clubs and a non in United could be in for his signature, not that all of them want him, just they would be more realistic destinations than a Stoke City.
From what we understand Arsenal and Liverpool, at least, are in for Sanchez in this moment, both offer champions league football, both can offer similar wages. This goes without saying.
You said:
(I left bolded what I bolded in my first response to you)
I replied:
If Sanchez were to factor into account only last season then your post has merit, Liverpool's tremendous performance would be a large influence. I do not think he will do only this.
If Sanchez were to look at recent seasons he would see Arsenal's success at getting champions league football despite reduced spending which now is not necessary so they are free to sign more expensive players. He would also see Liverpool's consistent failure to get champions league football.
Liverpool's offer is not absolute but relative, in this case relative to what Arsenal offer. Both offer champions league football, as you suggest Liverpool offer second place last season but Arsenal only fourth. However since Sanchez won't factor in only one season, it is clear to see Arsenal offer evidence of consistent champions league football over recent years where Liverpool do not, Arsenal have shown to be the much better team in recent seasons.
- Liverpool don't seem to be in a position to offer considerably more money.
- The champions league football offer is matched by Arsenal.
- Arsenal have been a champions league team consistently in recent seasons, Liverpool have not.
I don't see how is it a problem, we have zero quality on the wing now( except januzaj but he's still young; and Mata should play in the middle). Nani Welbeck Kagawa Valencia ? I'm sure if they keep playing like last season, Woodward 'll ship them out before you know it. Soon or later we need a quality winger.
An extra £50k a week might help him get over that temporary absence from the CL. We could easily blow Arsenal and Liverpool out of the water wages-wise if we really want a player. I just don't think a winger/forward is the profile of player we woul;d be prepared to go all in for this particular summer - not when there are more pressing needs elsewhere on the pitch.
Because no Barcelona star has that little self esteem, let's be realistic here.
I'm now struggling to follow what you think I said but as far as I can make out you are saying that I suggested Sanchez would pick Liverpool because of 1 season of relative success and ignore the previous seasons of not being in the top 4.
You have created this narrative on your own and put words into my mouth so to speak.
I merely pointed out that given Liverpool's finish last season they are AN OPTION worth considering. I did not place Liverpool above United, Arsenal or anyone. I merely suggested him going to Liverpool could happen.
Like I say, it appears we agree but for whatever reason you don't see that.
I'm not in total agreement here. We are seriously lacking quality in our attacking wide areas. But like I've said previously, it all comes down to how LVG will looks to provide width to the team, and how he want us to line up.
I'm surprised that there isn't more interest in him... I mean only Arsenal and Liverpool? I thought PSG, Monaco, Juventus, City, Chelsea, Bayern or even Dortmund would go in for him...
I don't, therefore it sucks
Maybe if you were better at cheating at Monopoly!I don't, therefore it sucks
Juventus are in for him apparently.
We don't need that when we are moving away from the traditional 4-4-2, which everyone here assumes is what LVG going to do. Also, if you are looking for a traditional winger, Sanchez is not the one.
As I have said previously, signing Sanchez would mean two-three of Mata, Rooney,Sanchez, Kagawa,Adnan,Welbeck have to sit out. I am not sure they will be happy.
We absolutely do need quality on the wing. Van Gaal like 4-3-3 mostly, and that needs 2 wingers, they just aren't traditional wingers as they are more advanced with less defensive responsibility. There's no chance we're dropping wingers, nor should we, as that would be stupid. Wingers haven't worked for us the last 2 years because they've been absolutely dog shit, it's not the concept of wingers that is outdated. Wingers will always be probably the most exciting players on the pitch for a team and we really are in desperate need of them.
Of your list, Kagawa, Januzaj and Welbeck shouldn't be starting anyways, at least not yet. None have shown enough or in the case of Januzaj, isn't mature, experienced or just ready to be first choice yet.
As much as I'm frustrated we're not in for him I think the calls that we need him to add 'quality on the wing' are a little misplaced. He's certainly very good, he certainly would do well, but he's no more a 'natural wide player' than Januzaj is. The fact is that Sanchez has perhaps a better skillset than most for playing on the wing, he's pacy skillful and direct, but his best season came behind Di Natale as a number 10.
If we sign nobody, and this boy was available and willing to come I will be annoyed but there are, perhaps, better options out there for the wide areas.
If we sign nobody, and this boy was available and willing to come I will be annoyed but there are, perhaps, better options out there for the wide areas.
What is Sanchez playing style? Is he a dribbler, creater, finisher? Havent seen a lot of him.
Di Maria > Sanchez.
To the Maria thread !
He's quick, strong, low center of gravity so really hard to knock down, excellent dribbler and a very underrated passer. His finishing is very good as well, scoring 20 goals for Barcelona last season. He's a very creative player but that creativity is stifled at Barcelona where everyone plays to feed Messi. For Chile he's a world class player without a doubt and would be the perfect player for us IMO.
His finishing can be a bit iffy at times, he has a bad habit of missing open nets
But yeah pretty good summary. I think he'll look even better once he moves from Barcelona, huge fan.
True. He finds himself in a lot of good goalscoring positions though, so I think he'll scored a good amount of goals always for a winger. It's more that then having good finishing really. Forgot to mention but his hold up play is excellent as well. Shame he's probably going to Arsenal but to be honest, if not at United, Arsenal is probably the team I'd pick for him to go to as I'm fine with them and think he'll fit in well there.His finishing can be a bit iffy at times, he has a bad habit of missing open nets
But yeah pretty good summary. I think he'll look even better once he moves from Barcelona, huge fan.
More of a dribbler and a finisher than a creater.
Yeah, his movement is excellent. He's definitely not the stereotypical brainless speedy winger, can play centrally quite comfortably too.
Where do we think he'll end up? Arsenal or Liverpool?
For Barcelona that's true, but for Udinese and Chile it's generally the opposite. I'd say he's a very inconsistent finisher all in all and a more reliable creator when given the freedom and responsibility to do so.
Check down his followers, he also followers our twitter account and a few Utd players...
Sanchez----Ozil-----Cazorla
-------Someone good------
Walcott--Ozil---Cazorla
--------Sanchez-------
Not too shabby.
EDIT: The plot thickens...
-------Someone good------
Walcott--Ozil---Cazorla
--------Sanchez-------
Not too shabby.
EDIT: The plot thickens...
Probably the latter.
Sanchez will bring pace and potent finishing to Arsenal which they have lacked. They will be a real threat next year with him.
They'll Arsenal-ise him and end up finishing 4th again.
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