Alexis Sanchez | Signed for Arsenal

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I have no affection for Manchester but that is nonsense in that your point initially compares two cities to then compare to two clubs - you're comparing apples with oranges.

Manchester United are footballing royalty compared to any London club. That is a factor in all of this. To go off on one about which has the better museums is not necessarily a primary priority for an international footballer.

That said, I hope he signs for Liverpool - again, footballing royalty in terms of name, heritage and aura.

To be fair, I'm sure Sanchez would rather meet the Prime Minister than see Henry VIII's grave.
 
Just had a quick Google and can't find that. Genuinely, is there a quote from Di Marzio?
http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/calc...barcelona-meet-to-discuss-sanchez-and-suarez/

One of the biggest transfer stories of the summer is heating up. Liverpool and Barcelona met in London to discuss Alexis Sanchez and Luis Suarez. The blaugrana like the Uruguayan striker, while Liverpool wants the Chilean winger, but Sanchez prefers Arsenal who has made an offer of 32 million euro. Sanchez and Suarez’ futures are being discussed.
 
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Only weeks ago you were saying that we were wrong in being confident that Suarez was gonna leave this summer and was tired of the Suarez rumors on the Caf!
 
I'm wondering if United are not involved in this transfer because either Liverpool don't want them to be (and will make Suarez negotiations harder if Barca deal with us) or because United themselves don't want to derail Suarez's exit from Liverpool.

It does seem like the deal will be decided once Sanchez has chosen his club, either Arsenal pay more money and Liverpool get a bigger cash deal or Suarez=Cash+Alexis. Either way it's very difficult for us to get involved right now and the scenario of Liverpool agreeing a large cash deal for Suarez and Sanchez still being available for us to swoop in and gazump everyone is very unlikely.
 
Only weeks ago you were saying that we were wrong in being confident that Suarez was gonna leave this summer and was tired of the Suarez rumors on the Caf!

I was tired of the 18 months of certainty which was a legitimate position.
 
When? Quote me.

You've created an argument out of what you think I said rather than what I actually said. See below to what I said about Sanchez and potentially joining Liverpool.


My post is measured, doesn't mention other clubs and suggests Liverpool probably aren't Sanchez's first choice. The bit in bold is merely claiming that given their current situation Liverpool are not off the table. Nothing more nothing less.

Yet you have responded based on the idea that I was using last season's finish as reason he would choose Liverpool over others. You've invented the whole basis for your ire.

"While Liverpool may not be Sanchez's number 1 destination it does offer him CL football at a club who finished 2nd last season so their is some currency in the Liverpool option. Added to that may be the behind-the-scenes stuff that may force Sanchez's hand."

Of course you are using last season's position, had you wanted to use only champions league football as your point then you would have said only that, you stated 'at a club who finished 2nd' clearly putting weight on the position.

I said:

You were comparing Liverpool as a champions league club to other champions league clubs and a non-champions league club in United.

You said:

When? Quote me.

You've created an argument out of what you think I said rather than what I actually said. See below to what I said about Sanchez and potentially joining Liverpool.

The entire discussion is about who Sanchez will choose, Liverpool are not the only option, even you admit this. Therefore you are comparing Liverpool to other champions league clubs and possibly a non-champions league club in United unless you think he is more likely to join a club like Newcastle or Stoke City.
 
Most people have reported Arsenal is his preferred choice except the papers that have just quoted what Liverpool have briefed them. Which isn't a massive surprise.
 
Most people have reported Arsenal is his preferred choice except the papers that have just quoted what Liverpool have briefed them. Which isn't a massive surprise.

Arsenal has got to be his preferred choice. Can't imagine why any international player would rather go to Liverpool instead of Arsenal, unless they had a personal interest in Liverpool's history and traditions. Living in London shits on living anywhere else, especially if you're making 100k/week.
 
Maybe he's not in LVG's "plans" too?

IF indeed we get him, it will be more problems for us. Good problems, albeit. One of Mata, Sanchez, Rooney would have to sit out and I don't think they will be happy about it. Add to the fact that I haven't even mentioned the likes of Januzaj, Welbeck, Kagawa, Nani etc..,

As much as I would like us to sign him, I cannot see he would fit into the team. We already have a good forward line and I feel that midfield and defense should be our top priority.
 
IF indeed we get him, it will be more problems for us. Good problems, albeit. One of Mata, Sanchez, Rooney would have to sit out and I don't think they will be happy about it. Add to the fact that I haven't even mentioned the likes of Januzaj, Welbeck, Kagawa, Nani etc..,

As much as I would like us to sign him, I cannot see he would fit into the team. We already have a good forward line and I feel that midfield and defense should be our top priority.

De Gea
Rafael Smalling Evans Shaw
Carrick
Sanchez Herrera Januzaj
Mata
Van Persie
Wouldn't mind this to be honest.
 
It seems we're not in for him. I do think we would've been interested no doubt but seems he probably indicated to us he wants UCL football. Fair play to him I'd say.

I'm still holding onto a bit of hope, however remote it might be
 
I know he's in the bad books, but it is getting weird how many are excluding Rooney from their ideal lineups at the expence of a kid like Januzaj.

That won't happen.
 
I know he's in the bad books, but it is getting weird how many are excluding Rooney from their ideal lineups at the expence of a kid like Januzaj.

That won't happen.

He's not our best striker. He's not our best number 10. He's not our best winger. He's not our best midfielder. That's why he's not in most ideal lineups. But yeah, he'll probably play.
 
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I know he's in the bad books, but it is getting weird how many are excluding Rooney from their ideal lineups at the expence of a kid like Januzaj.

That won't happen.

And rightly so, he isn't going to be favored up top by LVG like he was under Moyes. Personally I'd rather Mata at CAM ahead of him and he is wasted out on the wing whereas Januzaj isn't.
 
De Gea
Rafael Smalling Evans Shaw
Carrick
Sanchez Herrera Januzaj
Mata
Van Persie
Wouldn't mind this to be honest.


Where does that leave Welbeck, Nani, Kagawa and Rooney?. Not to mention that Valencia has signed an extension,Young seems to be going nowhere and remember Zaha?? Unless we are planning on selling Rooney or Kagawa, and two more of our wingers, Sanchez will not fit in.

We have prioritize elsewhere. The idea of Sanchez signing would be similar to what Fergie did over the past 6-7 years, sign a forward to cover deficiencies in midfield.
 
And rightly so, he isn't going to be favored up top by LVG like he was under Moyes. Personally I'd rather Mata at CAM ahead of him and he is wasted out on the wing whereas Januzaj isn't.

And yet Rooney will start ahead of Januzaj in any given position.
 
And yet Rooney will start ahead of Januzaj in any given position.

You are properly right but I'd like to think LVG has bigger balls than Moyes and says to Rooney you aren't good enough on the wing and we have better options in the two positions you play in.
 
Where does that leave Welbeck, Nani, Kagawa and Rooney?. Not to mention that Valencia has signed an extension,Young seems to be going nowhere and remember Zaha?? Unless we are planning on selling Rooney or Kagawa, and two more of our wingers, Sanchez will not fit in.

We have prioritize elsewhere. The idea of Sanchez signing would be similar to what Fergie did over the past 6-7 years, sign a forward to cover deficiencies in midfield.

Young and Zaha shouldn't be mentioned with regards to first-team plans. Kagawa should compete with Mata for the number 10 spot, while Rooney will compete with Robin for the striker's position, as he should in my opinion. Also, you don't need to sell all of your players. You need a squad to win trophies, not just a starting eleven. Signing Sanchez would be a great deal, no matter the current state of your squad.

But that's not even what I was talking about. All I was doing was stating how I think he would fit in at United. So basically, "If United only signed Sanchez from now until the end of the transfer window, what would their starting eleven look like?"
 
I'm wondering if United are not involved in this transfer because either Liverpool don't want them to be (and will make Suarez negotiations harder if Barca deal with us) or because United themselves don't want to derail Suarez's exit from Liverpool.

It does seem like the deal will be decided once Sanchez has chosen his club, either Arsenal pay more money and Liverpool get a bigger cash deal or Suarez=Cash+Alexis. Either way it's very difficult for us to get involved right now and the scenario of Liverpool agreeing a large cash deal for Suarez and Sanchez still being available for us to swoop in and gazump everyone is very unlikely.

Why exactly is it difficult for United to get involved?

You could replace Arsenal with United in the posts in here and there would be no difference - either Liverpool get the player and money or they get a larger sum if Sanchez isn't part of the deal.
 
The entire discussion is about who Sanchez will choose, Liverpool are not the only option, even you admit this. Therefore you are comparing Liverpool to other champions league clubs and possibly a non-champions league club in United unless you think he is more likely to join a club like Newcastle or Stoke City.

I am saying that Liverpool being a CL club adds to their attraction, which is kind of obvious. I am saying that choosing Liverpool has some merit. Nowhere do I state that he wouldn't choose a non-CL club. I haven't mentioned United, which you seem to think has motivated my initial post. You've made inferences from fresh air. It appears we agree on these points but you are attempting twist what I said and make out that he would prioritise Liverpool over others. All I am saying is that it isn't out of the question.
 
I know he's in the bad books, but it is getting weird how many are excluding Rooney from their ideal lineups at the expence of a kid like Januzaj.

That won't happen.

Lot of tactical geniuses here who don't see Rooney fitting anywhere, because you know, he is a pub level football player. Januzaj on the other hand is among one of the best in the world based on one season and Mata is as good as you can get at #10 so they will tell you how United will become world beaters using their genius formations as long as Rooney stays out of it.
Their formations excluding Rooney are amusing so it is fun in the end. Wait for them to put all blame on Rooney whenever United don't get result in a game next season.
 
Lot of tactical geniuses here who don't see Rooney fitting anywhere, because you know, he is a pub level football player. Januzaj on the other hand is among one of the best in the world based on one season and Mata is as good as you can get at #10 so they will tell you how United will become world beaters using their genius formations as long as Rooney stays out of it.
Their formations excluding Rooney are amusing so it is fun in the end. Wait for them to put all blame on Rooney whenever United don't get result in a game next season.

Or, believe it or not some people just generally believe Wayne Rooney as a ST/CAM is second choice to Van Persie and Mata so just finding a place for him in the team because he is "Wayne Rooney" makes very little sense when you have someone who is as talented as Adnan. I am not saying Wayne isn't a good player, heck a great player in spells but I also believe both Robin and Juan are better in their positions.
 
Young and Zaha shouldn't be mentioned with regards to first-team plans. Kagawa should compete with Mata for the number 10 spot, while Rooney will compete with Robin for the striker's position, as he should in my opinion. Also, you don't need to sell all of your players. You need a squad to win trophies, not just a starting eleven. Signing Sanchez would be a great deal, no matter the current state of your squad.

But that's not even what I was talking about. All I was doing was stating how I think he would fit in at United.

Like you said, its a squad game and not a first 11 game. You cannot keep benching good-great players and expect them to be happy about it. Our forward line is as good as any team in the league. The signings if indeed done to the forward line should be to strengthen it squad wise rather than try to bring in more first team players.

Its easy to just stick a player in a position on the forum and say that's how he would fit in. That's FMesque but the reality it is going to affect the dynamics of the team completely.
 
Or, believe it or not some people just generally believe Wayne Rooney as a ST/CAM is second choice to Van Persie and Mata so just finding a place for him in the team because he is "Wayne Rooney" makes very little sense when you have someone who is as talented as Adnan. I am not saying Wayne isn't a good player, heck a great player in spells but I also believe both Robin and Juan are better in their positions.

Yeah because Adnan has taken every game he has played by storm and is suddenly indispensable as opposed to last season's top goalscorer and only player other than DDG who looked like he cared when things were going wrong.
 
Like you said, its a squad game and not a first 11 game. You cannot keep benching good-great players and expect them to be happy about it. Our forward line is as good as any team in the league. The signings if indeed done to the forward line should be to strengthen it squad wise rather than try to bring in more first team players.

Its easy to just stick a player in a position on the forum and say that's how he would fit in. That's FMesque but the reality it is going to affect the dynamics of the team completely.

We have the most inconsistent wingers in the league, by a country mile, which is why I would easily welcome the arrival of Sanchez at United.

And I know it's easy, that's why I did it. I'm not saying it'd be perfect. All I'm saying is that it looks sexy as hell.
 
Or, believe it or not some people just generally believe Wayne Rooney as a ST/CAM is second choice to Van Persie and Mata so just finding a place for him in the team because he is "Wayne Rooney" makes very little sense when you have someone who is as talented as Adnan. I am not saying Wayne isn't a good player, heck a great player in spells but I also believe both Robin and Juan are better in their positions.

Well said.
 
Yeah because Adnan has taken every game he has played by storm and is suddenly indispensable as opposed to last season's top goalscorer and only player other than DDG who looked like he cared when things were going wrong.

I didn't say Adnan performed well every game, as a youngster you wouldn't expect consistency to be an attribute but again, Rooney is best either up top either alongside another or on his own or behind the front man. Unless LVG plans to play Rooney/RVP up top together which I doubt he'll do Rooney will be contesting two better players for a place where he performs best. Does it make sense just to stick him out of position just to get in him the team then?
 
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