Alexis Sanchez | Signed for Arsenal

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Latest murmurings from Spain is he doesn't want to go to Liverpool and has ruled himself out of moving there.

Not hard to understand why. Just about to sell their one true star man, and haven't been serious contenders in the league for ages, bar one momentum driven, all circumstances suiting season.

If we're in for him against Arsenal, we have every chance.
I have the odd feeling we won't even be in though.
 
True. I don't understand how Mata is a better #10 than Rooney. It is one of the caf fads. People here might even call Kagawa better #10 than Rooney.

Probably due to it being Mata's best position, whereas Rooney is more a striker who works hard so shoehorns into it.
He doesn't especially dovetail that well with VP.

However,with Herrera and hopefully a cracking partner, everything should work smoother next season.
Heck, even the existing wingers might be better.
 
True. I don't understand how Mata is a better #10 than Rooney. It is one of the caf fads. People here might even call Kagawa better #10 than Rooney.

He's a better #10 in the sense he's more natural at it. He'll get similar number of assists as Rooney but Rooney will look better at it because of the goals he scores. Rooney scores more because he's really a #9.5 or at the very least a more natural #9. Stats don't tell the whole story though.

When Rooney plays as a #10, he plays too close to the centre forward so we end up with a massive gap between the forward and midfield lines which other teams exploit. Wayne also doesn't have the nous to thread the ball through the lines or even direct play anywhere near the centre, instead all he does is spread the ball out to Valencia (practically every time he gets the ball too). Now this is great if we want to rack up the corners but not for actually scoring goals because a) it's a predictable tactic and b) Valencia manages to hit the knees/shins of the first defender with 100% of his crosses. You notice as well that Rooney and RVP just don't fit together, they barely ever pass to each other and it's only on rare occasions that they create a goal for each other. Granted when they do it's usually pretty good (away at Cluj, home against Villa for example) but it's so rare and at the top level you need your forwards functioning together.

If we put Mata or Kagawa there, we have fluid movers who change up their style of play to suit the moment. They'll play little triangles, pass and move, thread little through balls in between defenders and so on so we immediately become much more fluid and dynamic in our attacking play. Rooney is a complete detriment to us as a #10 regardless of his individual numbers and I'm sick of seeing the same tired, stone age play that we create when he's put there. We need to move on because he sticks out like a sore thumb.

Have him and RVP fight it out for #9 and have players in their proper positions behind creating the chances. If that means Rooney is gonna get benched then so be it.

Anyway, back on topic. Sanchez is an extremely dynamic player who can play all across the front line. If we got him then we'd have lots of interchanging much like the Ronaldo era (and yeah, I'm aware Rooney was one of the biggest influences in that period) and we'd be very unpredictable which is great for scoring goals.
 
Probably due to it being Mata's best position, whereas Rooney is more a striker who works hard so shoehorns into it.
He doesn't especially dovetail that well with VP.

However,with Herrera and hopefully a cracking partner, everything should work smoother next season.
Heck, even the existing wingers might be better.

If Sanchez comes, I see Januzaj starting on bench, RvP upfront with Mata-Rooney-Sanchez behind him. I have this theory that Mata and Rooney can interchange positions as LW and #10 behind RvP during game. It need not be rigid with one of them as #10 and other on left.
 
This summer does actually expose how incompetent Moyes actually was, goes on holiday in june, does not even get going until the beggining of July, so it shows LVG is with the dutch but he is on top of united's transfer priority's. So it shows deals are going on all the time

Blame that on the arrogance or penny pinching of the club in not wanting to pay Everton any compensation and effectively putting United in some kind of transition/transfer limbo for about 6 weeks before Moyes could actually start to identify and secure transfer targets.
 
Blame that on the arrogance or penny pinching of the club in not wanting to pay Everton any compensation and effectively putting United in some kind of transition/transfer limbo for about 6 weeks before Moyes could actually start to identify and secure transfer targets.

does anyone really think Moyes didn't have any inkling on targets, or communication with the club until July 1st onwards?

it's like thinking a formal transfer bid is the first way a player will know you're interested!
 
He's a better #10 in the sense he's more natural at it. He'll get similar number of assists as Rooney but Rooney will look better at it because of the goals he scores. Rooney scores more because he's really a #9.5 or at the very least a more natural #9. Stats don't tell the whole story though.

When Rooney plays as a #10, he plays too close to the centre forward so we end up with a massive gap between the forward and midfield lines which other teams exploit. Wayne also doesn't have the nous to thread the ball through the lines or even direct play anywhere near the centre, instead all he does is spread the ball out to Valencia (practically every time he gets the ball too). Now this is great if we want to rack up the corners but not for actually scoring goals because a) it's a predictable tactic and b) Valencia manages to hit the knees/shins of the first defender with 100% of his crosses. You notice as well that Rooney and RVP just don't fit together, they barely ever pass to each other and it's only on rare occasions that they create a goal for each other. Granted when they do it's usually pretty good (away at Cluj, home against Villa for example) but it's so rare and at the top level you need your forwards functioning together.

If we put Mata or Kagawa there, we have fluid movers who change up their style of play to suit the moment. They'll play little triangles, pass and move, thread little through balls in between defenders and so on so we immediately become much more fluid and dynamic in our attacking play. Rooney is a complete detriment to us as a #10 regardless of his individual numbers and I'm sick of seeing the same tired, stone age play that we create when he's put there. We need to move on because he sticks out like a sore thumb.

Have him and RVP fight it out for #9 and have players in their proper positions behind creating the chances. If that means Rooney is gonna get benched then so be it.

Anyway, back on topic. Sanchez is an extremely dynamic player who can play all across the front line. If we got him then we'd have lots of interchanging much like the Ronaldo era (and yeah, I'm aware Rooney was one of the biggest influences in that period) and we'd be very unpredictable which is great for scoring goals.

Only agree with this part and LvG can fix it. Don't agree with much of the rest. Rooney is not as bad as finding through balls and I can give you lot of compilation videos of his threaded balls. Also the kagawa love irritates me. I like him and want him to stay but in no way he is more useful than Rooney. Good thing is, Rooney can be a v.v. good backup for RvP and we need him in team out there when things are not going our way and goal is not coming. At least initially I hope LvG starts with RvP upfront and Mata-Rooney behind him and RW can be Sanchez if we somehow get him or Januzaj or Valenica for tactical games.
 
True. I don't understand how Mata is a better #10 than Rooney. It is one of the caf fads. People here might even call Kagawa better #10 than Rooney.
Yes, this is one of the most perplexing and excruciating trends here. There is some bizarre cult of the number 10 here. Mata has played most of his career from a wide position, and Kagawa, a far inferior player to Rooney who has thus far only ever excelled in Klopp's specific system, have an inalienable right to play in this mythical number 10 role. In the minds of posters here, there is no fluidity in modern football, positions are set in stone and only small, nimble playmakers can occupy the role behind the striker, when in reality most play auxiliary wide roles, with license to drift inside.

Imagine if Manchester City played Agüero or Džeko out wide to accommodate Silva in a central role, despite Silva already excelling from a wide position. Completely illogical and renders a ruthless goalscorer ineffectual. People here are desperate for us to do this to Rooney. It makes no sense.
 
Yes, this is one of the most perplexing and excruciating trends here. There is some bizarre cult of the number 10 here. Mata has played most of his career from a wide position, and Kagawa, a far inferior player to Rooney who has thus far only ever excelled in Klopp's specific system, have an inalienable right to play in this mythical number 10 role. In the minds of posters here, there is no fluidity in modern football, positions are set in stone and only small, nimble playmakers can occupy the role behind the striker, when in reality most play auxiliary wide roles, with license to drift inside.

Imagine if Manchester City played Agüero or Džeko out wide to accommodate Silva in a central role, despite Silva already excelling from a wide position. Completely illogical and renders a ruthless goalscorer ineffectual. People here are desperate for us to do this to Rooney. It makes no sense.

Agree.
 
True. I don't understand how Mata is a better #10 than Rooney. It is one of the caf fads. People here might even call Kagawa better #10 than Rooney.
Rooney isn't a #10 and never should be played as one, he doesn't have the qualities need to play there. Poor touch and poor vision. Playing a 20 yard ball out wide and bursting into the box doesn't constitute as good play to me.
 
Anyone who calls Kagawa a better number ten as Rooney needs their head checked, he's completely ineffectual.
 
Rooney was great as a second striker in a 442. Unfortunately for him no-one plays that any more.
 
Rooney isn't a #10 and never should be played as one, he doesn't have the qualities need to play there. Poor touch and poor vision. Playing a 20 yard ball out wide and bursting into the box doesn't constitute as good play to me.

He is not natural #10 but does that role good enough and in no way Mata is a natural #10, he never has been. It is nothing more than a fad here which has Mata and Kagawa as one of the best #10 ever and more than that the load of crap you mentioned above of Rooney not having vision.
 
Rooney was great as a second striker in a 442. Unfortunately for him no-one plays that any more.
I think this is spot on actually. He's declined as a player too since a few years back. I still think he's got a year or two left as some sort of makeshift 10 when everyone is fit, striker when RVP is out.
 
You must admit that Liverpool are big club and if he goes to them that will be pretty good decision for him. They are in the CL, they have a young manager who made (in my opinion) average team play the best football in the league, they brought and will bring new players in and despite if they lose Suarez they could be even stronger next year. Now it is up to us to get back up there and challenge them (and City and Chelsea).

As much as i enjoy their decline i was very disapointed when they didn't challenge us for the title. It was much more fun when we were fighting against them or Arsenal for the title and i hoped that they come back. It is more fun if we fight against them then against City who just bought success.

And if they could bring Sanchez in they can really go again ;)

No, Liverpool aren't the sort of club right now that can lure the best players.

Rodgers has done well for one season but it's not nearly enough to create the sort of atmosphere that can lure top players with any regularity.

The owners of the club are a big question mark, they are big fans of sports metrics and whether they work well in football is not established at all.

These owners have not shown the sort of financial support that can be found at top clubs.

It's not certain they will be able to hold onto Suarez, and that may be a case of his personality preventing a big money move if he does stay.
 
He is not natural #10 but does that role good enough and in no way Mata is a natural #10, he never has been. It is nothing more than a fad here which has Mata and Kagawa as one of the best #10 ever and more than that the load of crap you mentioned above of Rooney not having vision.
Mata isn't a natural #10!? What the hell is he then? Its not a fad, its because its their position? Because they play well there and, more importantly, it improves the performances of other players whilst there. Rooney can play as a 2nd striker but unfortunately for him it isn't 2004 anymore and the role is pretty much obsolete.

How often this season have you said to yourself ' how did Rooney spot him there?' or you thought 'what a beautiful pass'? Put him as a striker and he comes alive, he'll guarantee you goals but play him in the hole and he'll look out of his depth against the best.
 
I agree. I'd rather have Mata at 10, RVP up top, or Sanchez/Welbeck/Januzaj on the wings.

The problem is when we have injuries. Rooney is the next best option in virtually all those positions. And if we shipped him, I wouldn't be overly comfortable as having Welbeck as our lead man should RVP have an issue. Naturally therefore I don't think we can sell him, but it puts us in square one. I have more faith in LVG to handle it though than Moyes.

I always feel if your midfield is one of the best, losing your star striker is not that bad. If you have the power and flair of a herrera vidal sanchez mata and janazaj, that midfield can carry any CF, welbeck may thrive in that main pivot upfront with that midfield 5. Heck 3 of that 5 could easily hit double figures, so losing RVP would not be that bad
 
He is not natural #10 but does that role good enough and in no way Mata is a natural #10, he never has been. It is nothing more than a fad here which has Mata and Kagawa as one of the best #10 ever and more than that the load of crap you mentioned above of Rooney not having vision.

Mata is a very natural, typical number 10.
 
People forget that 'number 10' can mean different things, e.g. a second striker or a playmaker. Rooney is a better second striker than Mata, Mata is a better playmaker than Rooney.
 
People forget that 'number 10' can mean different things, e.g. a second striker or a playmaker. Rooney is a better second striker than Mata, Mata is a better playmaker than Rooney.

Yup good point. I was thinking more from combination of 2nd striker/playmaker combo, others are thinking more from purely playmaker perspective.
 
Arsenal I do think is the likeliest place he'll go, closely followed by Liverpool. He'd be a perfect signing for us but I just don't get the feeling that we're that interested really, because if we were then I think we'd be favourites.
 
We don't have anyone of his caliber in the wide areas, what we have out there are either not wingers or completely unproductive, even if we don't get Sanchez you'd think we'd bring in someone to add to the goals and assists out wide.
 
We're clearly the best option he's got if he leaves Barcelona.

Wenger, London, Arsenal, club on the up. If he joins Liverpool, I'd be amazed.

On the up? Do you want the compilation of most embarrassing PL defeats 2014?
 
We're clearly the best option he's got if he leaves Barcelona.

Wenger, London, Arsenal, club on the up. If he joins Liverpool, I'd be amazed.

Yep, next seasons fourth place will definitely be an improvement on this seasons 4th place, which was a dramatic improvement on the season befores, er...fourth place.
 
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