Alexis Sanchez | Signed for Arsenal

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moonred said:
Even if we are interested in Sanchez it will come after we acquire a CB and another CM at least. If we do get the other chosen targets for those positions then a last ditch Sanchez bid will be launched if at all. This looks the least to be done in my opinion. Not because we wouldn't be interested but simply there are other priorities. Have a hunch he may end up in Arsenal.
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You really believe that the club can't have numerous deals ongoing at any one time?

No doubt LVG and the club have numerous positions they want to strengthen and therefore numerous priorities. I suspect a good wide player is one of those priorities. Given what we currently have.

The reality is that United will have been speaking to agents for months. The WC is doubtless causing delay in deals for a lot if teams. Something might already be in place for further transfers anyway.
 
RedRover said:
You really believe that the club can't have numerous deals ongoing at any one time?

No doubt LVG and the club have numerous positions they want to strengthen and therefore numerous priorities. I suspect a good wide player is one of those priorities. Given what we currently have.

The reality is that United will have been speaking to agents for months. The WC is doubtless causing delay in deals for a lot if teams. Something might already be in place for further transfers anyway.
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Yes, not denying interest or even some bit of groundwork. But I just don't feel we will get him without strengthening elsewhere first. Or if we do get just him, it will be at the end of the windowish. This is just my opinion ofcourse.
 
moonred said:
Yes, not denying interest or even some bit of groundwork. But I just don't feel we will get him without strengthening elsewhere first. Or if we do get just him, it will be at the end of the windowish. This is just my opinion ofcourse.
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Fair enough.

I disagree though. The club will have a list if players identified by Van Gaal and will have various irons in the fire. They don't need to complete the centre back signing before getting a winger if that winger is available. I suspect that given various teams will leave the WC at different times they'll be ready to move on whoever is available at a specific time.
 
RedRover said:
Fair enough.

I disagree though. The club will have a list if players identified by Van Gaal and will have various irons in the fire. They don't need to complete the centre back signing before getting a winger if that winger is available. I suspect that given various teams will leave the WC at different times they'll be ready to move on whoever is available at a specific time.
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I agree, but I doubt it also partly because of the financial aspect of transfers. If we splurge big on Alexis, we may be getting out of other big money transfer in CM/CB. I believe we cannot have 5-6 big money transfers in one summer. Maybe i am thinking too small, and its managed rather well to worry. One thing though, Alexis would be an amazing addition regardless.
 
RedRover said:
You really believe that the club can't have numerous deals ongoing at any one time?

No doubt LVG and the club have numerous positions they want to strengthen and therefore numerous priorities. I suspect a good wide player is one of those priorities. Given what we currently have.

The reality is that United will have been speaking to agents for months. The WC is doubtless causing delay in deals for a lot if teams. Something might already be in place for further transfers anyway.
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This summer does actually expose how incompetent Moyes actually was, goes on holiday in june, does not even get going until the beggining of July, so it shows LVG is with the dutch but he is on top of united's transfer priority's. So it shows deals are going on all the time
 
rpitroda said:
For a team with no CL, that's still an awful lot of players. What's more concerning is that 5/8 of those players still would prefer playing centrally, if not 6. It's an impressive roster but LVG will need to find a good system to get the best out of them.
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For me, Rooney sticks out like a sore thumb in that list. He's too good to be a rotational option yet he isn't better than Mata, Van Persie, Sanchez or Januzaj in their respective roles. Even Welbeck is a better wide forward. For the others, I think we could balance some good game time in there, but Rooney would be expendable otherwise I suspect we would upset the balance.
 
Kag said:
For me, Rooney sticks out like a sore thumb in that list. He's too good to be a rotational option yet he isn't better than Mata, Rooney, Sanchez or Januzaj in their respective roles. Even Welbeck is a better wide forward. For the others, I think we could balance some good game time in there, but Rooney would be expendable otherwise I suspect we would upset the balance.
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Rooney not as good as himself? :lol:
I know you mean RVP, but I totally agree.
 
This is the big signing we desperately need, a quality winger will have a bigger impact on our season than most of the other signings we have made/are looking to make.
I would take him over Vidal any day of the week.
 
Zak Smith said:
This is the big signing we desperately need, a quality winger will have a bigger impact on our season than most of the other signings we have made/are looking to make.
I would take him over Vidal any day of the week.
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I think that's mental. We're still very weak in midfield, while we have options on the wings. Granted those options aren't Sanchez class, but they are capable of doing well and filling in. Our CM options just aren't great and with Vidal we'd have a world class player in the area we are so desperate to strengthen.

I'd have both though and I'm pretty sure we're working on both too. You don't turn your back on these type of players especially as they're in areas we need to strengthen.
 
Zak Smith said:
This is the big signing we desperately need, a quality winger will have a bigger impact on our season than most of the other signings we have made/are looking to make.
I would take him over Vidal any day of the week.
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I agree with you

I honestly believe a player of the calibre of Sanchez would be absolutely exactly what we need. Take Sanchez out of the Chile team and they wouldn't look the same team going forward.
 
moonred said:
I agree, but I doubt it also partly because of the financial aspect of transfers. If we splurge big on Alexis, we may be getting out of other big money transfer in CM/CB. I believe we cannot have 5-6 big money transfers in one summer. Maybe i am thinking too small, and its managed rather well to worry. One thing though, Alexis would be an amazing addition regardless.
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I don't believe the club will spend big on one player without considering what they need to do elsewhere in the market. They will be well aware of financial constraints and budget issues. This is a multi-million pound business with a team if people dealing with transfers and finances.

The reality is that if and when a target becomes available the club needs to be primed to move, or they lose out. If Sanchez is a target given that he's now done in Brazil they will need to move quickly as other clubs will be doing the same.
 
Oneunited26 said:
This summer does actually expose how incompetent Moyes actually was, goes on holiday in june, does not even get going until the beggining of July, so it shows LVG is with the dutch but he is on top of united's transfer priority's. So it shows deals are going on all the time
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I'm not sure how this reflects on Moyes. It seems clear he had provided a list of targets to the club and the club didn't get those deals done. I suspect that list was provided well before the end of the season.

This summer Woodward and those involved in transfers are less naive and that, to me is the difference.

LVG will have provided a list of players, after discussion with the club in the same way that Moyes did, only this time the club have started early enough to get the desks done.
 
Can't believe some are turning their nose up to Sanchez just so our average players can get games.

Sell Nani, Young, Zaha. Buy Sanchez and promote Lingard.
 
RedRover said:
I'm not sure how this reflects on Moyes. It seems clear he had provided a list of targets to the club and the club didn't get those deals done. I suspect that list was provided well before the end of the season.

This summer Woodward and those involved in transfers are less naive and that, to me is the difference.

LVG will have provided a list of players, after discussion with the club in the same way that Moyes did, only this time the club have started early enough to get the desks done.
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Possibly, it also helps the LVG factor helps attracting the players, as I do feel not many wanted to play for Moyes. Also last season was a wake up call for everyone involved in the football club, you do not keep up high maintenance of squad rebuilding, you will be left behind. And the glazers have realized, you do not spend big your product will go down the toilet. So perhaps our 7th disastrous position has been the best thing to have happened to the football club, because there is no penny pinching tactics anymore, where we will spend 58 million every 3 seasons, no more buying at a icelands or asda's or getting second hand cars or worse. And its great we are finally buying players who will take the club competing, and looking to build a great side, not a side that does enough

Because we all want united to reach the standards of the football, and the teams we had under fergie during his 3 great sides of 94 99 and 08
 
if there's any chance of getting Sanchez, and it's not a really mental fee, we have to go for it.
Our wingers have been fairly mediocre the last 2 years now.
 
Oneunited26 said:
Possibly, it also helps the LVG factor helps attracting the players, as I do feel not many wanted to play for Moyes. Also last season was a wake up call for everyone involved in the football club, you do not keep up high maintenance of squad rebuilding, you will be left behind. And the glazers have realized, you do not spend big your product will go down the toilet. So perhaps our 7th disastrous position has been the best thing to have happened to the football club, because there is no penny pinching tactics anymore, where we will spend 58 million every 3 seasons, no more buying at a icelands or asda's or getting second hand cars or worse. And its great we are finally buying players who will take the club competing, and looking to build a great side, not a side that does enough

Because we all want united to reach the standards of the football, and the teams we had under fergie during his 3 great sides of 94 99 and 08
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I'm not a Moyes apologist - he was judged on results and that's how it is in football. Regardless, He's gone now and thankfully things are looking up in terms of recruitment.

For me though last season Woodward and the club failed to do the job and the scale of rebuilding required was massively underestimated. I agree completely that last year was a wake up call and hopefully the issues are being addressed.

Going forward I hope the days of failing to spend are long gone. £150 million every year if course isn't necessary but you need to address issues as and when they come up. If you do that then huge transfer sprees aren't necessary.
 
Why are there some people who aren't sure if he'd be a wise way to spend money? Our current wingers are Valencia, young, nani and 19 year old januzaj, with options like Rooney, welbeck and kagawa who can play there. Literally not one of them would get a sniff in past united teams, they are mid table wingers at the very best for varying reasons. Including januzaj. He's good, but he's only had 1 season of professional football so we shouldn't get ourselves carried away.

Sanchez is a proper top class winger, and for a team who uses wingers as much as we do, that position is a must to strengthen. Sanchez being a very hard worker is a huge bonus as well, contrary to what forevrared was saying on the last page, Sanchez puts in a pretty big shift pressing and defensively. Anyways, not that that will be a priority for wingers now, as in a 4-3-3 like we are likely to play, wingers are closer to wide forwards then wide midfielders who track back all the time.

Sanchez would be the perfect signing for our attack pretty much, taking into account his age, price being well below his actual value (a player as good as him could easily be worth £50m), and generally how good of a player he is.
 
devil in me said:
I can't believe that The Sun have use the Sanchezter United headline again. FFS.
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I can. Shite newspaper.

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Why in the world would City need him. They have Nasri on the right and Navas as back up and a different option.
 
.J4Me$. said:
Would be a great signing for us.

Im living in dream land here but a double swoop for Vidal and Sanchez would make us title contenders again.
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It'd make us very strong champions league contenders, not just title contenders (the following season obviously, fecking moyes).
 
RedRover said:
I'm not a Moyes apologist - he was judged on results and that's how it is in football. Regardless, He's gone now and thankfully things are looking up in terms of recruitment.

For me though last season Woodward and the club failed to do the job and the scale of rebuilding required was massively underestimated. I agree completely that last year was a wake up call and hopefully the issues are being addressed.

Going forward I hope the days of failing to spend are long gone. £150 million every year if course isn't necessary but you need to address issues as and when they come up. If you do that then huge transfer sprees aren't necessary.
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I do not want united doing a real madrid addicted to spending money for the sake it, but the reason why we have to spend so much, because very little was done on key positions left to rot and stagnate since CR7 was sold in 2009. You look at our defense and midfield it needs a rebuilding job on a huge scale in the way we have never seen before since fergie came to united in 1986, herrera and shaw is the tip of the iceberg on what the level of the rebuilding job is needed and our 2 weakest area's of the team, LB and CM.

It does not stop there, the defense and midfield is still needing new blood. Because fergie stocked our squad with ok to average players. DDG has been the success, jones and smalling still have question marks over their fitness levels, they could turn out to be be top class CB. But othersignings in 2007 no longer contributing to united in a way we all hoped, hargreaves left due to so many injury's, anderson and nani just failed, while fletchers illness has reduced him to a good squad player who will never be that player that could dominate a game. I look at valencia and young they are just not up to standards of what MUFC expect, Valencia was to a lesser degree, but young bye bye, but the reality we need a top class wide player in that position. I do not think we need more numbers, we need to let go of allot of quantity, and add the quality, fletcher anderson cleverly young nani I feel need to go in the next year or 2, if fellaini fails he needs to go is well.

So that is the reality, we have to spend so much for leaving to many positions to stagnate. Its like a house, you let the house to decline in quality over the years, it needs so much money to get it up to standards, because it was allowd to age over the years
 
I'm more worried by the Liverpool link, rather than the City link.

If all is true, Barca have something Liverpool want, and Liverpool have something Barca wants.

City have a 50m net limit on transfers this season, and have already spent close to 20m on Fernando and Zucillini, leaving them with 30m.
They need a defender which is going to cost in the region of 30m by todays prices. Obviously they can sell the likes of Negrado and Jovetic, but will they after one season?
They also need a backup keeper.
Only way I see this happening is if they sell Yaya
 
forevrared said:
No. Sanchez would be completely unnecessary. He would make us marginally better, but the money would be better spent elsewhere. Anything he adds to the attack we'd lose in having no defensive support.
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I don't agree with that at all he's 10 times better than Young, Valencia and Nani, he'd be a great signing.
 
Igor Drefljak said:
I'm more worried by the Liverpool link, rather than the City link.

If all is true, Barca have something Liverpool want, and Liverpool have something Barca wants.

City have a 50m net limit on transfers this season, and have already spent close to 20m on Fernando and Zucillini, leaving them with 30m.
They need a defender which is going to cost in the region of 30m by todays prices. Obviously they can sell the likes of Negrado and Jovetic, but will they after one season?
They also need a backup keeper.
Only way I see this happening is if they sell Yaya
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If he doesn't want to go to Liverpool, then it doesn't matter what Barca and Liverpool want.
 
Castia said:
I don't agree with that at all he's 10 times better than Young, Valencia and Nani, he'd be a great signing.
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Totally agree, he would be a massive upgrade on what we have. We have:

A winger who when passed to in a counter attack position, holds up the ball, then pushes it forward and boots it towards the defenders legs
A winger who does a few step overs, then loses possession or scores a 3 pointer in rugby
A winger that, cuts inside, and then, well, loses the ball
 
If we could only sign one of Vidal or Sanchez who would people choose?
 
NMF said:
If we could only sign one of Vidal or Sanchez who would people choose?
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Would we still be able to sign a different defensive mid? I think I might be one of the few who would go for Sanchez...

Both are world class players IMO, but looking at our starting options, Herrera-carrick > any combination of Valencia! young, nani, januzaj, welbeck, kagawa out wide. Januzaj obviously has potential but not there yet, nani is always injured, kagawa/welbeck not a winger and the rest just plain average at best.
 
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