Alexis Sanchez | Signed for Arsenal

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Sherzad said:
^ That always gets me. Football is a team sport - you don't always need 11 world class players to be successful. Valencia just signed a new contract, did you see this coming.? We need the likes of Welbeck and Kagawa in our team. Don't forget we have Tom Lawrence and Wilson aswell - if they don't go out on loan they will need playing time aswell. I will love to see Sanchez play for us, but I can't see it happening. I am more then happy to go with our current lot and I hope januzaj will have a cracking season.
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That is the problem, we have not had enough world class players, playing has a team will only get you so far, if you do not have the match winners you will be above average PL side. We went from CR7, to Antonio Valencia, that shows now the standards have dropped. Out last 2 European cup winning sides had about 7 to 8 top class players in the starting 11.

I just do not see united doing anything special with Valencia nani young Carrick fletcher fellaini mostly playing every week, no matter how good LVG is, you need match winners to win you titles.

Has for kagwa, he can't play on the wings, same has welbeck. Why not sign players who can do this position not only well, but make us better
 
Mojo_pin said:
Why would he want to join Liverpool or Arsenal? Odd decision or transfer if that's the case.
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Think he'd be great at Arsenal to be honest. Don't know where Walcott would play with him in the side though. Doesn't he play on the right?
 
RedSky said:
Moved upfront? He's been wanting to play as a CF for a while now.
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Giroud isn't so bad that Walcott should be used ahead of him. Plus, I thought a new striker was their main priority this summer.

Liverpool would have similar issues. Are they going to rotate Sturridge in and out of the lineup? Sterling?
 
Oneunited26 said:
That is the problem, we have not had enough world class players, playing has a team will only get you so far, if you do not have the match winners you will be above average PL side. We went from CR7, to Antonio Valencia, that shows now the standards have dropped. Out last 2 European cup winning sides had about 7 to 8 top class players in the starting 11.

I just do not see united doing anything special with Valencia nani young Carrick fletcher fellaini mostly playing every week, no matter how good LVG is, you need match winners to win you titles.

Has for kagwa, he can't play on the wings, same has welbeck. Why not sign players who can do this position not only well, but make us better
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One bad season under Moyes and it's "sell everyone" theme here. we need few good signings that's all - I haven't given up on wellbeck/kagawa etc..
 
Sherzad said:
One bad season under Moyes and it's "sell everyone" theme here. we need few good signings that's all - I haven't given up on wellbeck/kagawa etc..
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I did not say sell everyone, I said I don't want united to have square pegs with round holes, why put players in positions that make them lesser players. I don't think we need kagwa now we have mata
 
RedSky said:
I wouldn't rule us out at all. The Media have no idea what we're up to, it's been obvious all Summer. They've not got a scoobies who we're after apart from Shaw.
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Our manager currently has other things on his mind, so who in the club is there to say, "Sanchez is available, let's go for him!"

Moyes said our scouting system wasn't fit for purpose, and, judging by their contribution in the last 6/7 years, that may well be the case. Herrera was an old target, and you have to wonder if there's anyone at the club, apart from Van Gaal, who might be capable of suggesting new ones. LvG didn't spend the last few years scouring Europe looking for talent; his interest was confined to Dutch players. So will we have the necessary knowledge or flexibility in the market this summer? Will we be able to take advantage of opportunities to sign players like Sanchez?
 
Will Absolute said:
Our manager currently has other things on his mind, so who in the club is there to say, "Sanchez is available, let's go for him!"

Moyes said our scouting system wasn't fit for purpose, and, judging by their contribution in the last 6/7 years, that may well be the case. Herrera was an old target, and you have to wonder if there's anyone at the club, apart from Van Gaal, who might be capable of suggesting new ones. LvG didn't spend the last few years scouring Europe looking for talent; his interest was confined to Dutch players. So will we have the necessary knowledge or flexibility in the market this summer? Will we be able to take advantage of opportunities to sign players like Sanchez?
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David Moyes turned his back on signing Strootman, Banega, Thiago and Herrera. All of these players were scouted by the old staff and all are players that have looked very good this season. It's my opinion for a while now that Sir Alex in his last 5 years or so decided to shy away from spending loads of money and instead purchased cheap alternatives to be stopgaps until the new manager came to the club. At this point the new manager would have a large transfer budget ready to bring in his own players. If you look back at our transfers in the last few seasons, only Berbatov and Van Persie was signed for more than 20m. That's two players in 5 seasons and 10 Transfer Windows.

Sir Alex constructed a young team of great potential, what was required by the new Manager was to bring in his own senior players to replace the ones that have been frankly, underwhelming for us.

I actually disagree with your point regarding LvG, I think if anything, he'll have a very good idea on what players to go for as being International manager you have to scout all the teams he plays against. His staff will have identified the good players in each National team and will therefore know there qualities. It's why I think we'll realistically bid for Vidal/Sanchez. They'll have been watching them ever since they knew they were up against Chile in the WC Group stages.

To put it into context Netherlands have played the following teams since 2013:

France
Ghana
Wales
Spain
Chile
Ecuador
Australia
Columbia
Japan
Turkey
Hungary
Andorra
Estonia
Romania
Italy
 
RedSky said:
David Moyes turned his back on signing Strootman, Banega, Thiago and Herrera. All of these players were scouted by the old staff and all are players that have looked very good this season. It's my opinion for a while now that Sir Alex in his last 5 years or so decided to shy away from spending loads of money and instead purchased cheap alternatives to be stopgaps until the new manager came to the club. At this point the new manager would have a large transfer budget ready to bring in his own players. If you look back at our transfers in the last few seasons, only Berbatov and Van Persie was signed for more than 20m. That's two players in 5 seasons and 10 Transfer Windows.

Sir Alex constructed a young team of great potential, what was required by the new Manager was to bring in his own senior players to replace the ones that have been frankly, underwhelming for us.

I actually disagree with your point regarding LvG, I think if anything, he'll have a very good idea on what players to go for as being International manager you have to scout all the teams he plays against. His staff will have identified the good players in each National team and will therefore know there qualities. It's why I think we'll realistically bid for Vidal/Sanchez. They'll have been watching them ever since they knew they were up against Chile in the WC Group stages.

To put it into context Netherlands have played the following teams since 2013:

France
Ghana
Wales
Spain
Chile
Ecuador
Australia
Columbia
Japan
Turkey
Hungary
Andorra
Estonia
Romania
Italy
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If fergie did that buying stop gap players, it's backfired as the next manager has come in, and sank us not only from the title race, but the champions league is well. If you look at the defence and midfield, it' a huge rebuilding job to do, and making stop gap signings has put the club in a position where a hell of allot of spending is required, and that is bad for business
 
Will Absolute said:
Our manager currently has other things on his mind, so who in the club is there to say, "Sanchez is available, let's go for him!"

Moyes said our scouting system wasn't fit for purpose, and, judging by their contribution in the last 6/7 years, that may well be the case. Herrera was an old target, and you have to wonder if there's anyone at the club, apart from Van Gaal, who might be capable of suggesting new ones. LvG didn't spend the last few years scouring Europe looking for talent; his interest was confined to Dutch players. So will we have the necessary knowledge or flexibility in the market this summer? Will we be able to take advantage of opportunities to sign players like Sanchez?
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You surely are not giving anything that ever came out of that idiots mouth any credence are you?

This was a man who supposedly had one of the worlds most in depth scouting systems and the best he could come up was a player who he managed for five years and still didn't know what he was actually good at.
 
Oneunited26 said:
If fergie did that buying stop gap players, it's backfired as the next manager has come in, and sank us not only from the title race, but the champions league is well. If you look at the defence and midfield, it' a huge rebuilding job to do, and making stop gap signings has put the club in a position where a hell of allot of spending is required, and that is bad for business
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Not convinced that's the case. I think it needed a few signings in midfield but our defence and forwards were fine. We simply employed the wrong Manager.
 
RedSky said:
Not convinced that's the case. I think it needed a few signings in midfield but our defence and forwards were fine. We simply employed the wrong Manager.
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And fergie had lot to do with the appointment, even though it's debated by many if fergie was. But our defence was flawed going into the new season, Ferdinand Vidic and Evra were aging, rafeal jones smalling and Evans pick up their fair share of injury's, and butner was never good enough, while Fabio was sold. So the defence was not in great shape, with a mix if ageing experienced players, and injury prone players expected to take the reigns from the old guard
 
Oneunited26 said:
And fergie had lot to do with the appointment, even though it's debated by many if fergie was. But our defence was flawed going into the new season, Ferdinand Vidic and Evra were aging, rafeal jones smalling and Evans pick up their fair share of injury's, and butner was never good enough, while Fabio was sold. So the defence was not in great shape, with a mix if ageing experienced players, and injury prone players expected to take the reigns from the old guard
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SAF seems to disagree with you. Quotes after SAF retired:

‘It was important to me to leave an organisation in the strongest possible shape and I believe I have done so. The quality of this league-winning squad, and the balance of ages within it, bodes well for continued success at the highest level whilst the structure of the youth set-up will ensure that the long-term future of the club remains a bright one."

I think the best way forward is to let Van gaal manage our current lot wellbeck/Cleverly/Fellaini/Kagawa for next season. They are all effective players and I am sure under a top manager they can contribute to teams success and longevity. As for signing new players, if we sign Shaw/Herrera and one CB, I think we will be in a good shape for next season.
 
Sherzad said:
SAF seems to disagree with you. Quotes after SAF retired:

‘It was important to me to leave an organisation in the strongest possible shape and I believe I have done so. The quality of this league-winning squad, and the balance of ages within it, bodes well for continued success at the highest level whilst the structure of the youth set-up will ensure that the long-term future of the club remains a bright one."

I think the best way forward is to let Van gaal manage our current lot wellbeck/Cleverly/Fellaini/Kagawa for next season. They are all effective players and I am sure under a top manager they can contribute to teams success and longevity. As for signing new players, if we sign Shaw/Herrera and one CB, I think we will be in a good shape for next season.
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Na we have too much deadwood in the squad. It needs trimming.
 
Mojo_pin said:
Why would he want to join Liverpool or Arsenal? Odd decision or transfer if that's the case.
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Why wouldn't he if they show more interest than anyone else? They aren't tiny clubs, both play good football and have reasons to believe the future's bright (just like we do), and Wenger has a great reputation.
 
He should be a priority signing, no way can we afford to let him go to Liverpool/arsenal.
 
Sherzad said:
Yeah let's buy every shiny player, maybe we should change Old Trafford to Muppet Trafford or something.
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Woah!!!!!!!!!!!! Did i touch a nerve? Me indicating too much dead wood doesn't mean i want us to sign every and anyone. We just don't need as much players as last seaons and if we are going to buy another midfielder why do we need all our current? There isn't enough room, our do you have a formation for them all?
 
RedSky said:
David Moyes turned his back on signing Strootman, Banega, Thiago and Herrera. All of these players were scouted by the old staff and all are players that have looked very good this season. It's my opinion for a while now that Sir Alex in his last 5 years or so decided to shy away from spending loads of money and instead purchased cheap alternatives to be stopgaps until the new manager came to the club. At this point the new manager would have a large transfer budget ready to bring in his own players. If you look back at our transfers in the last few seasons, only Berbatov and Van Persie was signed for more than 20m. That's two players in 5 seasons and 10 Transfer Windows.

Sir Alex constructed a young team of great potential, what was required by the new Manager was to bring in his own senior players to replace the ones that have been frankly, underwhelming for us.

I actually disagree with your point regarding LvG, I think if anything, he'll have a very good idea on what players to go for as being International manager you have to scout all the teams he plays against. His staff will have identified the good players in each National team and will therefore know there qualities. It's why I think we'll realistically bid for Vidal/Sanchez. They'll have been watching them ever since they knew they were up against Chile in the WC Group stages.

To put it into context Netherlands have played the following teams since 2013:

France
Ghana
Wales
Spain
Chile
Ecuador
Australia
Columbia
Japan
Turkey
Hungary
Andorra
Estonia
Romania
Italy
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I doubt Fergie would ever have done that. It's too much of a risk for someone who wanted to desperately walk away with another CL. I just think he knew how good the squad was already and knew how good a manager he was that he just didn't see the same midfield weakness that we saw.
 
Mainoldo said:
Woah!!!!!!!!!!!! Did i touch a nerve? Me indicating too much dead wood doesn't mean i want us to sign every and anyone. We just don't need as much players as last seaons and if we are going to buy another midfielder why do we need all our current? There isn't enough room, our do you have a formation for them all?
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You didn't touch my nerve, it was meant to be a bit of humour but I forgot to put a smiley. As I posted earlier, Shaw/Herrera/CB with our current squad is enough to push us towards top 4. Fellaini is a big financial investment, Cleverly/Wellbeck/Kagawa they are still young-ish. Just because of one bad season under Moyes I refuse to call them flops. That's why I suggested maybe VG should manage them next season and if he is not satisfied we move them on. But if we sign Sanchez you won't find me complaining about it :D
 
Have we been linked with Sanchez in the last few days at all? I can't find anything. I'd be gutted if he came to the PL and we didn't try for him.
 
Tarrou said:
Have we been linked with Sanchez in the last few days at all? I can't find anything. I'd be gutted if he came to the PL and we didn't try for him.
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According to daily mail (today) we and Arsenal are in for hime - b
 
Cheers. I reckon it's all guesswork and nothing will happen until Chile are knocked out anyway.
 
That article looks like he's trying to give the Suarez cloud a silver lining. Trying to give Liverpool something positive. I doubt a deal is done but I do expect him to end up at Anfield when we play them.
 
Bubz27 said:
That article looks like he's trying to give the Suarez cloud a silver lining. Trying to give Liverpool something positive. I doubt a deal is done but I do expect him to end up at Anfield when we play them.
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Oooh, nearly got me there!!!
 
Elliott said:
I doubt he nose.
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Sherzad said:
SAF seems to disagree with you. Quotes after SAF retired:

‘It was important to me to leave an organisation in the strongest possible shape and I believe I have done so. The quality of this league-winning squad, and the balance of ages within it, bodes well for continued success at the highest level whilst the structure of the youth set-up will ensure that the long-term future of the club remains a bright one."

I think the best way forward is to let Van gaal manage our current lot wellbeck/Cleverly/Fellaini/Kagawa for next season. They are all effective players and I am sure under a top manager they can contribute to teams success and longevity. As for signing new players, if we sign Shaw/Herrera and one CB, I think we will be in a good shape for next season.
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We sign the right players, that is the key, the right players signed. But with no European football, we could be a huge threat, especially with our current start which is easy. But it all depends on how we sign and strengthen key areas that need strengthening, we could really rattle a few cages in the title race under LVG
 
Oneunited26 said:
We sign the right players, that is the key, the right players signed. But with no European football, we could be a huge threat, especially with our current start which is easy. But it all depends on how we sign and strengthen key areas that need strengthening, we could really rattle a few cages in the title race under LVG
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Let's just hope. Now Sanchez for #7 then.? :drool:
 
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