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Womp said:
Raiola will accept nothing but the best terms for his client and himself and Arsenal aren't exactly a club notorious for indulging. I think this will go on for a long time, only for both players to end up staying where they are. Unless Arsenal accept a straight cash offer, which seems unlikely as they seemingly only want to do business if they have a replacement.

Then again, I've been wrong constantly about this saga, so feck if I know anything. I'm just a random idiot.
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He doesn't get the best terms for his client, he gets the best possible terms.

And the problem with the deal falling apart is that his client sits on the bench for the next 6 months losing value (especially if Sanchez comes for straight cash) while Raiola misses out on a fee. He's not an idiot, he's not gonna let this happen unless the deal offered by Arsenal is really bad for Mkhi in which case it wasn't going to happen anyway.

Like every good negotiator he will string this out and play hardball all the way up to the point where the other side is ready to walk away form the negotiations. Then he will strike a deal with the best possible terms.

Just have patience. It's best for all parties involved, including both players and their agents, to see this through. He will make it happen.
 
manunited1919 said:
Mino Raiola is a smart, tough agent, if I were a professional football player, I would want him to be my agent. He has the balls to ask Arsenal to pay Mikhi the same salary they were offering to pay Alexis. I know he won’t get it, but he will get as high a salary as possible for Miki. Mino has the smarts to know when he is on a position of power/leverage, and the balls to pressure these big clubs to go to their limit.
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Nevermind being a professional footballer. I want him by my side on my next pay review with my boss. The amount of money that is "forfeited" by employees because they won't argue their case correctly (or at all sometimes) is huge in almost every profession.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
And that's the one that makes me desperate to get it across the line...

They've been gazumped, which however it's spun is still slightly humiliating for them, they loathe us, they've got loads of cash, and they o need another striker.

But yeah, good points and a great post. Hopefully it's done soon, I've wanted him here since that World Cup 8 years ago now!
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But they've reportedly had meetings with Pep and ensured him he will get another top class player in the summer, and reporters regarded as top tier on City news have said they're out due to how much Arsenal want for the player, and they feel like Sanchez should go to them at the end of his contract for free instead.

Can understand the pessimism, as it's only natural to worry. But I'd argue that it's emotional pessimism rather than logical at this point - not that it cannot change, but for the moment it very much looks like Sanchez will be a United player from the reports in the media, by the end of this window. :)
 
7even said:
Negotiations is my thing (I hope) so let’s speculate a little bit.

Regarding Mino Raiola. He makes money if the deal goes through. According to himself the Mkhi ><Sanchez swap is his idea. (I don’t believe that but anyway) That’s means two things. Without a deal no agent fee and the risk of indirectly being responsible if the deal collapse. It could give both him and Mkhi unnecessary badwill. So. It’s in his interest to seal the deal.

Regarding Mkhitaryan. Him and Raiola want full compensation to walk out of a lucrative contract. Highly understandable. I expect United to compensate him 100% whatever Arsenal is offering. And of top of that some sorts of farewell bonus to the player and a special agent fee to Raiola for making this deal possible. Henrikh has nothing to win by playing hardball or being “difficult”. Make a reasonable claim and stand by your first demand is the way to go.

And as always the part who gets the most favorable deal will act humble and respectful to all involved. A experienced dealer always tries to make a 65/35 deal in his favor to look like a 50/50 deal with two winners. Win and win all around so to say.
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Riaola pbvisouly saw the reportded £5million Sanchez agent is getting in the United deal so as demands the same for Mkhi transfer.
Raiola wont budge he knows the balls in Mkhis court.

Also im sure Wenger hasnt had the best of things to say towards Raiola because he couldnt convince Ibra to sign from Ajax back in the day and said the agent was too greedy.
 
Why would any half decent footballer closer to the end of their career than the beginning want to play for Arsenal?
 
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Ødegaard said:
But they've reportedly had meetings with Pep and ensured him he will get another top class player in the summer, and reporters regarded as top tier on City news have said they're out due to how much Arsenal want for the player, and they feel like Sanchez should go to them at the end of his contract for free instead.

Can understand the pessimism, as it's only natural to worry. But I'd argue that it's emotional pessimism rather than logical at this point - not that it cannot change, but for the moment it very much looks like Sanchez will be a United player from the reports in the media, by the end of this window. :)
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Your words are like beautiful, soothing music to my muppet ears.
 
Nick7 said:
I'm pretty sure we announced Pogba at half past midnight when he signed.
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Sure, but that had been pretty much leaked and if the club didn't announce it then they wouldn't have been among the first to do so, which with our pr department would be a big no no
 
Bestielob said:
Why does this "dragging things out torture" always seem to happen to United?
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Happens to every club - van Dijk to Liverpool one example that comes to mind as well as City's original interest in Sanchez from last summer which never happened and now in the space of a week we've gone from not even being mentioned to being favourites to sign him. In the next couple of weeks he'll be ours. Enjoy.

There are plenty of signings we've got done fairly quickly though - Lindelof, Lukaku and Matic (once Chelsea signed Bakayoko). The main thing that is holding this deal up is that there's another player involved going in the opposite direction so terms have to be agreed there too.
 
The only one benefiting from this transfer is not Man United, not Arsenal, not Sanchez, not Mkhi... but Robbie from Arsenal Fan TV.

He must be drooling at the amount of revenue his channel is going to generate from this transfer.
 
Ronaldo's Mum Eh? said:
The only one benefiting from this transfer is not Man United, not Arsenal, not Sanchez, not Mkhi... but Robbie from Arsenal Fan TV.

He must be drooling at the amount of revenue his channel is going to generate from this transfer.
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Just think of how many Blud's and Fam's he can support for the next year!
 
Ronaldo's Mum Eh? said:
The only one benefiting from this transfer is not Man United, not Arsenal, not Sanchez, not Mkhi... but Robbie from Arsenal Fan TV.

He must be drooling at the amount of revenue his channel is going to generate from this transfer.
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He is gonna be a billionaire by the time Arsenal sort out their mess.
 
acrebo said:
It’s been fairly well rumoured that Arsenal aren’t letting Sanchez go without a replacement. It would appear that Mkhi is the replacement, so no Mkhi = no Sanchez.

It’ll happen though, it’s just the agent doing his job.

I feel really bad for Mkhi to be honest. He had a massive influence on us actually being in the CL this season and he just hasn’t kicked on like we’d hoped. No reason for so many ‘supporters’ to turn on him though; he needs to look after himself too...
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Fair point. I have always liked Mkhitaryan and I wish it would have work out for him at United. Have no issue with him getting the best deal possible.

Again I'm just desperate for the Sanchez deal to get done - we can't bottle it now. Perhaps if they get Aubameyang they'll accept straight cash for Alexis.
 
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The state of Alan Green poor micky getting bullied by Mourinho and poor Sanchez would prefer to got to City and now he has to goto that shithole united.
 
A great example how unexpectable life is. All it takes is a few circumstances, a couple of bad games to go from a solid starting lineup player to shipping him off to Arsenal.
All you need is a bait like Sanches to make everyone hate Mkhi. He has no choice now. If he doesn't leave fans will hate him unless all our attacking players get injured and he play for a few games and does a miracle. This is highly unlikely.
Jose has done his job beautifully. Pulling off a game at half time, keeping off the squad. Saying that Mkhi is a great player: please come and get him. Ive done a number on him, take whatever is left. No wonder the chelsea gang kicked him out.
Mkhi get out of this bullshit as soon as possible and enjoy a few seasons of a great attacking football and make your fans happy.
 
podurban2 said:
Come on Woody, get him out of here!
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Its not Woody. Jose has been planning this shit for a while i bet. He mustve decided that Mkhi has to leave after whatever argument they had. Mkhi wont have a choice but leave now. He couldve stayed to prove his point, but I dont see that happening anymore. Sad, very sad for Mkhi fans.
 
He played well last season and the start of this season. But he has been terrible from then on. If he cannot deliver on the pitch when given so many chances, then there is no choice for the manager to drop him. No one can say that Jose did not give him any chances. He was picked day in and out even when he was playing very poorly. It was not as if he got just one bad game.
I like him as a player and had hoped that he would pull his game out of the rut but the last two games have been worse. Could not put in a decent cross for his life when under no pressure. I hope that he succeeds wherever he goes so long as it not against us.
 
Donsangre said:
A great example how unexpectable life is. All it takes is a few circumstances, a couple of bad games to go from a solid starting lineup player to shipping him off to Arsenal.
All you need is a bait like Sanches to make everyone hate Mkhi. He has no choice now. If he doesn't leave fans will hate him unless all our attacking players get injured and he play for a few games and does a miracle. This is highly unlikely.
Jose has done his job beautifully. Pulling off a game at half time, keeping off the squad. Saying that Mkhi is a great player: please come and get him. Ive done a number on him, take whatever is left. No wonder the chelsea gang kicked him out.
Mkhi get out of this bullshit as soon as possible and enjoy a few seasons of a great attacking football and make your fans happy.
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I'm a huge fan of Mhiki but after the first 5 games, Mhiki went missing and Jose still persisted with him. In fact, Lingard didn't get his chance to play until lately when he scored crucial goals for us. Mhiki earns about 150k a week. It's not like he isn't getting paid. He's no victim. He can choose to stick around till the summer. The Sanchez deal does not depend on Mhiki. We can still cough up 35m and get Sanchez. For Raiola and Mhiki wanting to get more than 150k a week from Arsenal is just preposterous especially when Mhiki hasn't done enough to warrant that sort of wages. The bottom line is Mhiki will thrive under a manager like Wenger and not Mourinho who generally responds with tough love. Mourinho has been very patient but he's got to worry about himself as well since at the end of the day, his head and reputation is on the line. A manager can only provide the tactics and give you guidance on how to improve. It comes down to the players to perform which they haven't done consistently.
 


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Stats from start of 2015 season, includes Zlatan at PSG, Mkhitaryan at Dortmund in stats etc. My stats are from whoscored so though the tackles and interceptions are different to what that image says, at least it is consistent.
 
Donsangre said:
A great example how unexpectable life is. All it takes is a few circumstances, a couple of bad games to go from a solid starting lineup player to shipping him off to Arsenal.
All you need is a bait like Sanches to make everyone hate Mkhi. He has no choice now. If he doesn't leave fans will hate him unless all our attacking players get injured and he play for a few games and does a miracle. This is highly unlikely.
Jose has done his job beautifully. Pulling off a game at half time, keeping off the squad. Saying that Mkhi is a great player: please come and get him. Ive done a number on him, take whatever is left. No wonder the chelsea gang kicked him out.
Mkhi get out of this bullshit as soon as possible and enjoy a few seasons of a great attacking football and make your fans happy.
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Or simply, a much better player is available and Arsenal want Mkhi as a replacement? :lol: I highly doubt Jose was meticulously planning to belittle Mkhi as some master plan to sign Sanchez. Mkhi had opportunities, didn't impress, was rightfully dropped, Lingard came in and made the position his and is now being (hopefully) used as bait to sign a much better player, really that simple.

I doubt anyone actually hates him, I certainly don't. He's a talented player but it just didn't work for him here, the same way I didn't hate Kagawa.
 
Womp said:
Or simply, a much better player is available and Arsenal want Mkhi as a replacement? :lol: I highly doubt Jose was meticulously planning to belittle Mkhi as some master plan to sign Sanchez. Mkhi had opportunities, didn't impress, was rightfully dropped and is now being (hopefully) used as bait to sign a much better player, really that simple.

I doubt anyone actually hates him, I certainly don't. He's a talented player but it just didn't work for him here, the same way I didn't hate Kagawa.
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It only appears that it didnt work. Lukaku had 4-5 horrible games.Rashford had even more. Neither got dropped. Mkhi got dropped for 11 games. That changes the impression on a player when week in and week out he does t get chosen. Fans think he is bad really bad, which is a total nonsense. All it takes a few good games to win it back. Mkhi knows that. He just doeant think that Jose will allow that to happen. I can promise you had he played a few games back to back, he wouldve shown some class. Rather he was belittled by being dropped completely, and subbing a few minutes here and there. Damned Jose didnt even let the guy finish a fecking league game against championship team. He was probably one of the most proactive in that first half. Jose might be trying to get a better player but the way he is doing it isnt particularly nice.
 
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It only appears that it didnt work. Lukaku had 4-5 horrible games.Rashford had even more. Neither got dropped. Mkhi got dropped for 11 games. That changes the impression on a player when week in and week out he does t get chosen. Fans think he is bad really bad, which is a total nonsense. All it takes a few good games to win it back. Mkhi knows that. He just doeant think that Jose will allow that to happen. I can promise you had he played a few games back to back, he wouldve shown some class. Rather he was belittled by being dropped completely, and subbing a few minutes here and there. Damned Jose didnt even let the guy finish a fecking league game against championship team. He was probably one of the most proactive in that first half. Jose might be trying to get a better player but the way he is doing it isnt particularly nice.
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He was played constantly at the beginning of the season despite being average. We are stocked for players in his position, if he doesn't perform he'll be dropped. Lukaku wasn't dropped because our only other striker is a 35 year old who's coming back from one of the worst injuries possible in football. Rashford was dropped for his poor form and is now second choice to Martial.

How is the way he is doing it not nice? He's not forcing Mkhi out of the club. If he wanted to, he could treat him how he treated Schweinsteiger.
 
Mourinho will love his desire to get the ball back. I think he will quickly become the managers favourite.
 
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