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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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Surely they aren't actually trying to do that...No. If he doesn't sign, nothing happens. Sanchez to City was a foregone conclusion ages ago. No one at the club or even fans were expecting the season to be pinned on Sanchez signing.
Only a bunch of journos would look like fools for "Money United"
Genius I say.
You know thats what my mother used to say to me when I'd freak out about a toy I didn't get. "You'll get a better one next time, son."
To be fair to everyone in here, this transfer window is utterly mental thus far, and could be about to get even more so.
VVD to Liverpool for 75m
Coutinho to Barca for 140m
Giggs becomes new Wales manager
Sanchez to City once replacement is signed
Sanchez to United not City! (possibly with Utd player going the other way)
Sanchez to City back on
Malcom to Arse
Carroll to Chelsea strong rumours
Meanwhile City lose their unbeaten run and Mourinho and Conte spar during pressers.
It's understandable everyone's a bit caught up in it all.
That's goes without saying.
They'll need to replace Aguero - who I don't see staying beyond the summer.
The ups and downs are amazing!
Yeah by the sounds of it - they indeed are.
A little bit about negotiations.
Like a said before. Sanchez agent probably had all contract offers in his hands a couple of weeks ago. Wages, bonuses, contract length, incentives and so on. That’s probably why Sanchez has his family around him. You don’t take such a long term and big economical decision without consulting your nearest.
If the reports are correct that United first approached Sanchez a couple of month ago then the decision how much we are willing to offer was probably taken when the January transfer window was opened. I think it’s fair to think that Zlatans injury concerns probably helped United to be more flexible regarding Sanchez wage demands.
Regarding City I think the reasons why they backed off wasn’t because they didn’t want the player. Probably more because of FFP and financial restrictions. Getting him for free in the summer was probably the plan but when United stepped in and was willing to offer Arsenal a fee in January then City was left behind.
I assume that right now the financial part of the deal regarding Sanchez is already sealed. What’s left is Arsenal trying to buy a replacement, maybe involving Mhiki, maybe not.
Finally you can be sure that people with first hand knowledge about the deal don’t talk to media until both clubs release a final statement. We talk about maximum ten people. The only part who maybe can leak some sort of information is the player and his camp, for obvious reasons. Di Marzio probably got his information from Sanchez agent or family.
Regarding english media. As usual totally clueless. Any seasoned business man with more then two brain cells knows that whatever you do don’t leak info to these clowns if you want to continue to be successful.
Like a said before. Sanchez agent probably had all contract offers in his hands a couple of weeks ago. Wages, bonuses, contract length, incentives and so on. That’s probably why Sanchez has his family around him. You don’t take such a long term and big economical decision without consulting your nearest.
If the reports are correct that United first approached Sanchez a couple of month ago then the decision how much we are willing to offer was probably taken when the January transfer window was opened. I think it’s fair to think that Zlatans injury concerns probably helped United to be more flexible regarding Sanchez wage demands.
Regarding City I think the reasons why they backed off wasn’t because they didn’t want the player. Probably more because of FFP and financial restrictions. Getting him for free in the summer was probably the plan but when United stepped in and was willing to offer Arsenal a fee in January then City was left behind.
I assume that right now the financial part of the deal regarding Sanchez is already sealed. What’s left is Arsenal trying to buy a replacement, maybe involving Mhiki, maybe not.
Finally you can be sure that people with first hand knowledge about the deal don’t talk to media until both clubs release a final statement. We talk about maximum ten people. The only part who maybe can leak some sort of information is the player and his camp, for obvious reasons. Di Marzio probably got his information from Sanchez agent or family.
Regarding english media. As usual totally clueless. Any seasoned business man with more then two brain cells knows that whatever you do don’t leak info to these clowns if you want to continue to be successful.
Lesson for parents on how not to spoil kids -- if you promise them more toys, they keep crying.
Or you know...he might not be signing today but later on in the window.
Well, I think City will win the league the next couple of years. According to wiki, he's got one league title over his career, so I'm sure he'd like to increase that. And yes, I do think the chances of winning the CL with City are better. While Mourinho's definitely a brilliant manager, I also think he'll be gone at the latest in the summer of 2019.
As for the money goes, do United really pay better? If that's the case, then they're certainly in it.
Poor peppy needs to be promised a new toy because another boy took the shiny one he wanted. He will stamp his feet if he doesnt get a better and shinier one.
Whatever happens with this transfer, this January has been the most entertaining from United POV for like ever. I can't remember peak muppetry such as this.
It's more than understandable. That being said I've never taken much credence from transfer gurus and Twitter nonsense.
People were acting like this was a dove deal yesterday and now folks are actually texting me saying 'City are back in!'.
I'll accept that certain sources are more reliable that others...of course. It's hard to understand the confidence/despair. In reality nobody has much of a clue what's going on.
What's your take on it?
Why? It's the excitement, and it's not like that every day or with every transfer, but we are about " hopefully " to sign one of the best players.
Mata was pretty good for a January window. The chopper arriving and everything, plus all the Chelsea fans making videos saying he will never ever ever go to United, but he did, really quickly after we played them.
We weren't up against anyone for him though, so it was just pure fun. The media circus with this one is starting to get annoying.
Pep to spend money shocker.
I'm a blue and I'm certain he's yours now. City won't make him the highest paid player at ours with too many contracts to be rejigged such as KDB and Jesus, it'd be open season for the players agents. Your offer to both him and Arsenal was too good to pass up I suspect and he'll be announced tomorrow as the focus will be on the game today I suspect.
Oh yeah - forgot all about that. Woody getting his chopper out was brilliant. And Chevrolet announced the deal before anyone else.
All he ever does.
The amount he's spent on keepers, full backs and CBs is shocking, and they're still crap in defense.
If City don’t get Sanchez, they’ve said they’ll get someone else.
If we don’t get him, are we also going to look elsewhere?
If we don’t get him, are we also going to look elsewhere?
Pep spending more money and will be labelled as ruthless and a genius. Meanwhile United are ruining football and are pure evil for hi jacking poor old Man City.
No. We're going to have this squad forever and ever.
Have a mixed feelings about it, if i'm honest.
You know there was a time, not so long ago, when players went to United having had better financial offers from elsewhere. Now it seems we can only buy our way out of trouble. It's like we switched sides with City of 2012.
I am not sure that taking players like Ibra, Sanchez offering then 150% of what they would earn anywhere else is a viable strategy. Sanchez is 29 also. But then again he is a proven player. And even with all his troubles, still one of the best currently in the league.
Well, money stuff is one, the lesser worry. The main worry is the what i call "Pogba/Di Maria situation". When you pay more than 50m for the player, you have to know exactly the position and role he will play. There must be no ambiguity about it. When we bought Di Maria, we used him as a winger, then as a AM, as a second forward. That's just silly. Some might say, that was before, but i am not seeing it. We bought Pogba and it's the same problem. His roles and positions are all over the midfield place. Sanchez is not Lukaku, who has like an obvious position and role on the field and it's tough to mess it up. Sanchez is a special player than way. He prefers and can shine in a sort of a free position. Will he be able to play as a winger in our 4-2-3-1 formation? Not really sure, probably would not be his preferred spot. He is very dangerous inside the box. Will he able to play a AM/SS in the same formation with a midfield trio Pogba-Sanchez-Matic. Again, maybe but than midfield might just be too weak and exposed. The truth is Sanchez's best position is something like an AM in say 3-4-2-1 formation. Kind of between the side and the center, so he has extra help in those areas and can roam. Now will Jose change the formation? And even if so, will it suit our players?
Of course Sanchez can also be quite effective in a 4-3-3. But honestly i will never believe Jose has the balls to play 4-3-3, i've never seen him do that. It's always 4-2-3-1 with him, with wingers are not really forwards who do defensive work by pressing high, but more of a midfielders who are going deeper to defend.
You know there was a time, not so long ago, when players went to United having had better financial offers from elsewhere. Now it seems we can only buy our way out of trouble. It's like we switched sides with City of 2012.
I am not sure that taking players like Ibra, Sanchez offering then 150% of what they would earn anywhere else is a viable strategy. Sanchez is 29 also. But then again he is a proven player. And even with all his troubles, still one of the best currently in the league.
Well, money stuff is one, the lesser worry. The main worry is the what i call "Pogba/Di Maria situation". When you pay more than 50m for the player, you have to know exactly the position and role he will play. There must be no ambiguity about it. When we bought Di Maria, we used him as a winger, then as a AM, as a second forward. That's just silly. Some might say, that was before, but i am not seeing it. We bought Pogba and it's the same problem. His roles and positions are all over the midfield place. Sanchez is not Lukaku, who has like an obvious position and role on the field and it's tough to mess it up. Sanchez is a special player than way. He prefers and can shine in a sort of a free position. Will he be able to play as a winger in our 4-2-3-1 formation? Not really sure, probably would not be his preferred spot. He is very dangerous inside the box. Will he able to play a AM/SS in the same formation with a midfield trio Pogba-Sanchez-Matic. Again, maybe but than midfield might just be too weak and exposed. The truth is Sanchez's best position is something like an AM in say 3-4-2-1 formation. Kind of between the side and the center, so he has extra help in those areas and can roam. Now will Jose change the formation? And even if so, will it suit our players?
Of course Sanchez can also be quite effective in a 4-3-3. But honestly i will never believe Jose has the balls to play 4-3-3, i've never seen him do that. It's always 4-2-3-1 with him, with wingers are not really forwards who do defensive work by pressing high, but more of a midfielders who are going deeper to defend.
Prolly not until summer, going by what Mourinho said.
Excellent article criticizing the money vs pep narrative:
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club...renders-alexis-sanchez-money-debate-redundant
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club...renders-alexis-sanchez-money-debate-redundant
So basically there is no upside to signing Alexis fecking Sanchez.
A notably unbiased and accurate piece on the transfer. Well done Mr Shaw:
http://www.espn.com/soccer/club/man...renders-alexis-sanchez-money-debate-redundant
http://www.espn.com/soccer/club/man...renders-alexis-sanchez-money-debate-redundant
Wow, that would make me vomit if I were a Chelsea fan.
Hahahah beat me to it. Then again, I'm on the native U.S. site so what took you so long!
Good to have Alex Shaw on our side. Rest of the scum journalists only want to make money, regardless of their allegiances.
So many journos are neglecting Arsenal FC as an entity and their interests in this saga. City wanting him to run his contract down is something Arsenal are unwilling to facilitate, so doing business with United while putting subtle pressure on Sanchez is entirely congruent with their interest.
The likes of Theo telling Sanchez to feck off right now, also helps to force him to want away to what's available (not forgetting Arsenal wanting to maximize the fee) immediately.
This isn't just a case of City vs United and the question of his signing on fee. There's another vested party influencing matters.
The likes of Theo telling Sanchez to feck off right now, also helps to force him to want away to what's available (not forgetting Arsenal wanting to maximize the fee) immediately.
This isn't just a case of City vs United and the question of his signing on fee. There's another vested party influencing matters.
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