Why don't you just let him have that one ? Show some mercy in these terrible times for an Arsenal supporter
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Why don't you just let him have that one ? Show some mercy in these terrible times for an Arsenal supporter
hah...
Seriously, Song is a very good player no questions asked...but just not what he says he is.
Can't believe Arsenal are selling him as well. Unless he's played as a CB he will be sitting on Barca's bench most weeks.
Jesus, he's an Arsenal supporter. Maybe he overrates Song, but you have to say he was great for them last season and it will be a huge loss.
United fans don't overrate United players. Heh.
Even in defence it's not even sure he'll start many games for Barca as him and Pique would be fairly similar in terms of style.
Every season, no matter what they strengthen. Fair fecks to them.
Only negligent management could prevent Barca dominating for the next 5-10 years.
They always get good deals as everyone knows no matter who they are in for they don't really need them, they just want them.
Only negligent management could prevent Barca dominating for the next 5-10 years.
They always get good deals as everyone knows no matter who they are in for they don't really need them, they just want them.
He wouldn't of come out and said he is happy at Arsenal a few weeks ago if that was the case.
http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/776600-song-handed-new-arsenal-deal
According to that 2015 and I read somewhere else as well, I'll try to find a link later.
All rumours but I've heard in training there have been ongoing issues.
We have bought in quality players and added depth as well where we were short.
You can think what you like but Song is on his way because Wenger doesn't want him at the club any more not because we are being forced to sell. I know money is tight but currently after the RvP deal our net spend is like £10mill and with Arshavin and Bendtner likely to go as well we aren't in any pressing need to sell off more players. If that was the case we'd be better off selling the likes of Koscienly or Vermaelen while we are at it.
Those lovely dinks to RvP seems to have done wonders for his reputation, everyone seems to forget that the rest of his game has been pretty average.....
‘Forget Barcelona. Arsenal are the best club. If I had to leave, I will cry.’ - Alex Song.
He said that a couple of years ago. Nice one.
Alistair and pete have been saying Song's the best defensive midfielder in the league for over a year now. Something tells me they aren't the only ones who were saying it.
He said that a couple of years ago. Nice one.
Alistair and pete have been saying Song's the best defensive midfielder in the league for over a year now. Something tells me they aren't the only ones who were saying it.
My issue was with the Defensive Midfielder accolades, not the fact he had a very good season. As I said already...he is a very good player...showed a lot of ability with some of his passing last season.
And if it's Barca he's going to...that in itself should say something about his ability as a player - he is a legit player(this certainly isn't a case of Faubert to Real Madrid
)I imagine he wanted a move to Barcelona and was told he couldn't go, then knowing RvP was leaving he sulked until he got his way.
Barcelona have a ridiculously strong squad this year, should be an amazing title race between them and Real again. Got to pitty the Spanish teams outside of those two.
Accoring to the Spanish rags they offered £15M, we asked for £20M, and a compromise somewhere in the middle is expected.
Not as embarrassing as RiP's protestations, by a long shot.
Considering its Barca, Arsenal will probably settle for 15m over 3 seasons.
I don't understand how anyone can keep renewing their ST at arsenal when they are being absolutely ripped off.
The reinvestment in the team - no the profiting from player sales - is unjustifiable or a club with such high revenues. It's disgusting.
Every season people feel Arsenal are 3-5 good to great players off of a proper title challenge and every summer their response is to flog their best players. Appalling and I feel for the fans.
Arsenal's ownership wants only one thing - profits. They have identified their optimal position - their niche if you will - an its fourth for CL money.
United's owners are the same except their niche is title winners at least every other season. Hence why they invest as the model relies on success for premium sponsorship deals etc. Also, they appear to be looking for more long term rewards by increasing the clubs value unlike Arse ownership who are wanting yearly returns.
Disgusting but actually arsenal are doing fantastically and this summer has been great for them - them being the owners and employees in charge of making profits.
You are getting mugged if he goes for 17.5m, why does everyone let Barca mug them?
It's just reflective of how disgusting football has become in the last decade or so. Run by greed, for corporates, with the proceeds going to corporates. If UEFA bothered to bring back the Cup Winners' Cup and reduce the Champions League to champions only, would Arsenal try more to win cups? I would think so.
Arsenal's business model is admirable but the minute Wenger convinced the board about his '5 year plan', he knew there would be drawbacks. So you cannot feel sorry for him, nor the Arsenal fans who subscribe to the 'glory days will return' logic.
Cole, Henry, Van Persie, Pires, Ljungberg, Lauren and now it looks like Song has left on his accord. Once is a mistake, twice is a choice, three times or more?
They destabilise the players and get them to agitate for a move, reducing the selling club's bargaining power. Everybody does it to some extent - you've just done it with RiP - but they've raised it to an artform.
Don't they have the most expensive tickets in the league as well? Emirates and WHL the two most expensive pitches to attend a game?
Wenger is right though about one thing. If a player is determined to leave then there's not much you can do. Only thing is to buy properly which they haven't been doing up until this summer. However some of those signings were because of RvP being so determined to leave.
It's a tough position to be in for players and manager. Song has watched 4 strong players go in one year. What's he to think? Wenger has probably made promises for years now without fulfilling them. His (Pete's) 10 year plan is up after this season isn't it? It's a lot like a relationship that has stagnated. All the fun gone out of it and the sex life is barely there anymore.
Wenger is right though about one thing. If a player is determined to leave then there's not much you can do. Only thing is to buy properly which they haven't been doing up until this summer. However some of those signings were because of RvP being so determined to leave.
It's a tough position to be in for players and manager. Song has watched 4 strong players go in one year. What's he to think? Wenger has probably made promises for years now without fulfilling them. His (Pete's) 10 year plan is up after this season isn't it? It's a lot like a relationship that has stagnated. All the fun gone out of it and the sex life is barely there anymore.
10-year plan is until 2016. Last season was fairly orgasmic after being rogered at the start.
Yes him along with RvP have said some lovely words down the years
As for Song being the best defensive midfielder in the league, I'm not so sure about that. For a while I believed he would get better but now I don't think he will change because I think he lacks focus and gets himself caught out too often. Instead of seeing that that a defender might be out of position and to cover he usually tries to get up the pitch to help with the attack all the time. You have to choose your moments, that dink pass to RvP he tries that pass a good few times every matches. When it works great but more often than not it doesn't.
https://www.redcafe.net/f9/yann-m-vila-323491/index8.html#post11611094
Those are my views back in May about Song.
Around £20mill is good money for him, nobody is going to pay £30mill for him we have to be realistic here.
Honestly, and i am not taking the piss, i really hope Arsene gets the money to reinvest. Arsenal are one of the few teams i genuinely enjoy watching play football.
Still got some very good players at your club. Hope he can get a few more in to keep them as competitive as possible before the end of the window.
doesn't make a difference to me.
Still excited about tomorrow.
Still excited about tomorrow.
I have been saying that too and i don't retract that.
But we can cope without him very easily.
Cope without him very easily
feck me, the Arsenal fans are extremely deluded.
feck me, the Arsenal fans are extremely deluded.
Diaby will save the day, eh?
The revisionism when players leave is ridiculous.
Coping without him very easily is not something that's going to happen. We'll suffer from his loss as a team, like it or not.
In all honesty I don't rate Song but the revisionism from arsenal fans(excluding al) is hilarious.
Are Barca going to Mascherano him and try playing him in defence? I can't imagine that would be all that successful given Song sometimes leaves a fair bit to be desired defensively. Still, hard to see him getting too many games in midfield.
Keita got nearly 50 games a season for Barca, Song's his replacement and can play CB as well.
And if it's Barca he's going to...that in itself should say something about his ability as a player - he is a legit player(this certainly isn't a case of Faubert to Real Madrid
I didn't know that actually...Or that he'd been sold.
This is you just last year:
Either something's been lost in translation there or you're outright lying. Crucial players aren't replaced very easily.
I agree with many of JazzG's criticisms of Song and have said much the same myself, although I'm surprised that you'd be happy to let him go! Just interested to see whether that positional indiscipline was something that Wenger encouraged. Vermaelen's just as reckless so I think it's just Wenger's attempt at - as Van Persie called it a couple of years ago - totaalvoetbal. I'd certainly have taken him.
I suppose most of us do it, to some extent at least. Doesn't make it any more sensible, though.
Also on the topic of Sahin, for the folks saying he'll replace Song without any worries, remember that when fit last season he couldn't get games ahead of Lassana Diarra. Song, on the other hand, would have run Khedira close for his spot as first choice (IMO, of course). The reason is probably that Sahin is still raw but potential doesn't necessarily equate to consistent performances.
Also Wenger now has a group of new signings and I'd wonder what they were told prior to moving. Did they know that arguably the team's best two players last season were on their way out? Unless Giroud hits the ground running they could struggle for goals, as Podolski may end up playing wider. Does that leave Chamakh as next in line?
Diligent (and as usual depressing) reading of el mundo deportivo.
It's hilarious.
I particularly like the way they're combining "didn't rate him anyway" with some really warped logic about having to sell him because of his terrible attitude yet he actually didn't want to leave Arsenal at all. The feck?
Song is an excellent player.
We can cope because we are Arsenal and midfield have been our strength for ages now.
We can harp all day long whether it will work or not.
rather i suggest lets wait just couple of months and you will see.
You hit upon a good point that hasn't really been taken into consideration by the Arsenal board or fans for that matter. If I was one of Arsenal's new signings, I'd be absolutely apoplectic about what is going on. I'm sure they were told about RVP, but Song has just come out of the blue. A week ago he wasn't even spoken about as someone who might leave. I guess Podolski and Giroud have moved up despite the departures, but Cazorla must just think he's gone from the frying pan into the fire.
That said, I'm not too worried about goals. I'm expecting Cazorla to contribute good set pieces, I'm very confident about Giroud and Podolski always chips in wherever he is. Add Walcott to that who normally gets 5-10 and Gervinho who is on the up, I don't think it'll be a problem. I haven't even mentioned Arteta's abilities, or Chamberlain's eye for goal. I reckon we'll share the goals a lot more, which is one positive of RVP's departure - we won't be reliant on a single player.
Well it's understandable in that Song played further forward with Arteta deeper for much of last season - so it's a more attacking CM that we're looking at being replaced in the short term. Personally I thought this season would see Song deeper in tandem with Jack.
Yes, we coped when we sold Ronaldo too. It wasn't very easy though.