You on crack? Cazorla and Sahin are far better than Song. Granted Giroud and Podolski are not as good as RVP but they can rejig their team around other players.
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You on crack? Cazorla and Sahin are far better than Song. Granted Giroud and Podolski are not as good as RVP but they can rejig their team around other players.
all part of the 5 year plan.
hehehe and pete was telling me a couple of days ago that there was no chance of Song leaving
A lot of Gooners seem to think this is spring cleaning and we're getting away from the past and starting anew. I lose the will sometimes.
No you're getting it all wrong here.
Squad - 2 players + 4 players = +2 = better
RVP - 24m - 29y = - 24,000,029
Obertan - 4m - 20y = - 4,000,020
= Obertan > RVP
Commalogic.
Ah well, they still have Diaby.
I feel for you lot sometimes, I really do.Cinalogic is far better.
We lost our best player in Ronaldo and it hasn't worked out too bad. Arsenal have invested well - face facts RVP was leaving and when barca comes calling its hard to fight them off.
If Arsenal can pull off the Sahin signing as well then it's been good business by them.
You the one who needs drug-testing. Sahin plays for Real Madrid and none of the other players you listed have kicked a ball in the Premier League. Yet they're supposed to be an upgrade on last season's golden boot winner, Arsenal's captain and player of the year, plus the guy who got the most assists in their team. Genius.
I agree!
Song gone, M'Vila in?
Wow, this is really depressing. They're not going to become a better team if they do this. How frustrated Arsenal fans must be right now?
Ali, try to enjoy the new season, though.
Ali, try to enjoy the new season, though.
If thats the case then there is no point in renewing the squad just buy EPL proven players all the time.
Worth pointing out that Sahin will be loan with no buy option. So that means that it'll be a temporary fix.
Alternatively, hold on to your best players.
That's the obvious take home message, I'd say.
In fairness with Song, he is a very good player but not so good that you should tolerate the attitude he's supposed to have had over the summer.
If you get Sahin and/or M'villa you won't miss him.
They will when Sahin goes back to Madrid.
What's the fee even going to be? He's the best DM in the league we're going to sell him for about 2/3rds what he's worth. I'd love to see anyone try to defend this.
You sell the top striker in the league last season - fine, it was inevitable. You sell the person who assisted more of his goals than anyone else when he's still got time left on his contract - not good.
Can't believe I thought last summer was the worst it would get, and this summer would mark a change of policy. I really believed it when we seemed to fix some major issues in the squad. Unless proper money is reinvested and we see a genuine effort to improve the side and tie players down to contracts, I'm not renewing my season ticket. It's all I can do.
You sell the top striker in the league last season - fine, it was inevitable. You sell the person who assisted more of his goals than anyone else when he's still got time left on his contract - not good.
Can't believe I thought last summer was the worst it would get, and this summer would mark a change of policy. I really believed it when we seemed to fix some major issues in the squad. Unless proper money is reinvested and we see a genuine effort to improve the side and tie players down to contracts, I'm not renewing my season ticket. It's all I can do.
I've come to a conclusion that M'Vila isn't that good. Loads of clubs needs midfielder and yet none of them have both M'Vila.
Song's attitude has been spot on for years. No-one at Arsenal seems to have asked the question why his attitude has been so poor recently.
Perhaps it's because we sell off the best players the club has? Just a suggestion. I doubt that does much for his morale.
That's got to hurt.
He's talented, but he was extremely underwhelming last season and his attitude is supposed to be very questionable.
Thats the point I said. RVP decided he was leaving and Song attitude was he wanted to go once he heard Barcelona were interested.
So Arsenal have made the best of a bad situation. Either they hold on and they leave late without chance for replacements or they stay and play half heartedly.
Nah, think Wenger will trust Diaby. Problem is, he is injury prone. Coquelin is another option.
His attitude may be an issue. Not sure on wage demands.
I just don't understand this logic.
You're replacing someone of proven quality with someone who might turn out to be a very good signing. Every new signing has it all to prove when he arrives at a new club, in a league he's never played in before. Even when they do go on to be a real success (which is by no means guaranteed) the majority don't really hit their stride until the second and subsequent seasons.
Looking at 2012/13, there's no way people can talk about players like Sahin or M'Villa and say that their arrival means Arsenal won't miss Song. Of course they will miss him. If they are going to minimise the disruption caused by his absence they're much better off looking to a player that's already at the club than someone finding his way in the PL.
It's a ridiculous fee for him to be fair. Real and Barca always seem to get great deals. Surprised Wenger didn't decide to hang onto him for a year though, especially with the club selling their talisman to a rival.
We're going to play Jack or the Ox as our 'DM'. Song is off to the ACN anyway which usually fecks the season up.
Like rats from a sinking ship.
Exactly.
I'm all for bringing Sahin or M'Vila in to complement what we have already, but there's a serious problem in relying on players who are completely new to the league.
There's so much FM or FIFA management that goes on - the reason why you rarely see a complete squad overhaul is because it's not a sensible way of running a football club.
Isnt the fee reportedly 16m?
He isnt the best midfielder in the world.. but he was always available for Arsenal and did well for him.
Asking someone to come in and straightaway fit in is never easy.
He isnt the best midfielder in the world.. but he was always available for Arsenal and did well for him.
Asking someone to come in and straightaway fit in is never easy.
It's sad in a way how the club is being run. After all the good work Wenger did, for the club to be run as a viable business that's keeping hids head above the surface of the water but has no intention of going places, makes no sense. Arsenal should have build on their success in the premier league and their becoming a global brand.
Not sure why people talk as though Wenger has no say in what's going on.
That's the thing with Wenger's policy, or it has been for the last few seasons. Sign a young player, and trust he will come through. I'm guessing the patience has run out from the fans.
Wenger obviously thinks he has to go given his attitude. Great sham,e he's one of my favourite players and we've seen him develop into a very good player since he arrived at 17.
Yup. It's the same flawed logic that most pundits use to predict who'll win the league. They look at all the new signings and decide that club with the most sexy new signings from the continent is the favourite. In reality, clubs that need to sign a lot of players and bed them into a new team, in a new league, are at a disadvantage from the outset.
Everyone is bigging up Chelsea's chances to win the league but I can see them really struggling to finish in the top four. Wholesale changes are never a good idea. We badly missed O'Shea and Brown last season, even though their replacements are arguably more talented.
I'd call that a bargain considering what midfielders are going for lately.
Between Arteta, Ramsey, Rosicky, Coquelin, Frimpong and hopefully for them Wilshere and/or a couple of new additions and the wide men who can play in the middle they should have enough in midfield to get them into the top 4.
I was wrong to say "they won't miss him" the statement was too absolute, but the point I was trying to make was it's not such a massive loss that they should tolerate if his attitude has been 'disgusting'.
umm NO.
Goes AWOL and loves getting involved in attacks way too much to be called the best DM in the league. In fact his defensive game is weak...has been in the top 2-3 in terms of fouls the last few seasons and picks up a ton of cards.
His best moments last season were mostly him linking up with RvP with balls over the top.
If his attitutude is shit, he has to go. You have to wonder why it was so bad, though. He was a very important and respected player for them last season. What changed over the course of the summer?
As an aside, fecking Barcelona. How good is their bloody squad now?