You could probably get him on a free. He’s knackered mate.
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You could probably get him on a free. He’s knackered mate.
That's what we're doing if we don't sign new players. You think we have a shot at City playing Darmian, Blind, Jones and Mata?
Tough to know if you are trolling or just not bright
Can you imagine going into next season with Young and Valencia as our starting full backs?
Yes, quite easily as I am almost certain that is what will happen, Valencia will 100% start the season as first choice RB and Young is close to nailed on to be the LB.
Jose rates Young as a LB. Young defends at a high level and whips in great crosses for his targetmen types. I guess it's easier to attribute Young to a lack of ambition from the club than actual personal preference from the manager, despite a ton of evidence making the latter obvious
I'd imagine you being very happy.
Honestly I want to upgrade on Valencia and Young as much as anyone, but were they really the issue last season? Not sure myself, they both seemed to perform admirably to me, plus hopefully the lean mean fighting machine that Shaw looked in his photos yesterday, and a the highly rated Dalot, will provide decent competition for places.
So we surely have bigger fish to fry this summer, like that gapping hole in the right wing, lack of any credible competition for Lukaku, and only slightly less of an issue the reliance on Jones and Smalling still at CB, if we can sort at least two of those issues this window then we'll be doing well, so LB might rightly have to wait for now.
So we surely have bigger fish to fry this summer, like that gapping hole in the right wing, lack of any credible competition for Lukaku, and only slightly less of an issue the reliance on Jones and Smalling still at CB, if we can sort at least two of those issues this window then we'll be doing well, so LB might rightly have to wait for now.
Does not make fecking sense.. PSG got trouble with FFP and have to sell to avoid further sanctions??
If we are not after Sandro, who the feck then? *goes into meltdown*
Won't need to imagine for much longer. Less than a month until it's reality.
Assume there's some face-saving going on here re the Shaw story - Sandro has probably chosen to join PSG.
Can see PSG links correct tbh, shame.
So he's going to both Paris and United?
Sandro has to decide to play with Thiago Silva, Marquinhos, Dani Alves... or with Jones, Smalling and Valencia. So I guess he would be heading to PSG to cross the ball to Cavani, Neymar and Mbappe.
Ashley Young has no left foot and has to constantly cut in to cross and Valencia has lost the ability to cross and neither can beat their man off the dribble.
For us to have those two as starting full backs makes no sense to me, especially given how far ahead of us City are.
How are we supposed to challenge for the title with the forwards getting no service from the full backs?
Does Young really whip in good crosses from the left, as far as I can recall most of them are over hit and the whole cutting on to his right thing alone often kills the move anyway.
Having a left footer that would be willing to go at the space that Ashley never really looks at for me would improve us massively as it stretches a defence more and just creates space in the box.
I think he’d be better utilised as a RB and either let Shaw do the LB job or bring in someone who will do the job properly, ie Sandro.
Young has good deliveries. Succesful crosses will always be low percentage as a stat. Agree with the rest that Young doesn't do what we would need to improve our play but does Jose see it this way? Young's long ball deliveries and defensive diligence likely weigh far more too him. Truly believe he meant it when he hinted young will be a first teamer next season
It’s the lack of ability to overlap from Young that’s an issue for us. Crossing from a standing start, against a set defence, the difference in whipping the ball in on his left foot or cutting back onto his right would be minimal - it all comes down to the quality of delivery. If we have a runner who can hit the bye-line then that gets defenders turning and gives our attackers a much better chance of evading markers and finding space. Young just doesn’t have that in him - he can’t run off the ball with the necessary purpose and penetration.
This problem is compounded by having Sanchez as our left winger. He wants to come inside, towards the ball when the team have possession, and when he has possession himself he naturally cuts onto his right looking for a (usually penetrative) passing option. He requires a runner going beyond him on the outside. Were our options for that position still Rashford and Martial it would be less of an issue, as they both hold their width more and are more effective going at an isolated full back. They are both still right footed though and like the option of cutting in, so even then an overlapping left back would still greatly enhance our play. Alex Sandro would give us so much more than we currently have, even if he never quite recaptures his top form.
As an aside, it’s perfectly normal that a full back can’t take on and beat opposition defenders one- on-one. It’s very unrealistic to expect a full back to be an effective dribbler.
Damn right.
Anyone doubting this just rewatch the FA Cup Final for the most frustrating attacking performances from a pair of full backs you could ever watch.
So we're going to lose out on Sandro because Shaw is refusing to leave despite being told he's not wanted? Just pay the fecking fee and forget about Shaw.
I guess some players have to be shifted out otherwise new ones could be coming into a very toxic dressing room. There's quite a few players looking over their shoulders....
Right so we're putting one of our only two LB's up for sale while making no progress on signing another LB. What could possibly go wrong
The article says we've agreed personal terms with Sandro so we have made progress on signing a LB but I guess Woody wants Shaw sold before we start negotiating a fee with Juventus.
We are in for Sandro but its really understandable of we are trying to get rid of Shaw while we are trying to get Sandro. Shaw is never going to work for us it is tried and tested .
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If we're taking everything at face value, then Sandro has agreed personal terms with both United and PSG (a bit like Ronaldinho did with United and Barca all those years ago).
Whichever club is willing to pay the most to Juve is going to get the player.
But that's going to come down whether FFP is strong enough to force PSG to sell somebody first. The tricky thing to factor is the fact that England and Spain have different transfer window end dates (the 9th and the 31st).
Juve will need to gamble on whether PSG are going to make enough sales before the European deadline of August 31st to finance the deal at 60m Euros. If they don't, and the English deadline of August 9th passes, Juves hands will be tied and they'll have to accept whatever bid PSG can be bothered to make.
Out of the three clubs in this transfer triangle, I honestly can't say who has the advantage. It's a guessing game for Juve, a waiting game for PSG, and game of chicken for United.
Whichever club is willing to pay the most to Juve is going to get the player.
But that's going to come down whether FFP is strong enough to force PSG to sell somebody first. The tricky thing to factor is the fact that England and Spain have different transfer window end dates (the 9th and the 31st).
Juve will need to gamble on whether PSG are going to make enough sales before the European deadline of August 31st to finance the deal at 60m Euros. If they don't, and the English deadline of August 9th passes, Juves hands will be tied and they'll have to accept whatever bid PSG can be bothered to make.
Out of the three clubs in this transfer triangle, I honestly can't say who has the advantage. It's a guessing game for Juve, a waiting game for PSG, and game of chicken for United.
Shaw trying to feck us .
PSG have already made enough from sales IIRC
The club extended his contract for a year tbf to him. He’d already be gone if they hadn’t done that.
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Shaw knows this is the pinnacle of his career, salary and status wise. He's willing to sit on the bench looking fat and doing nothing to keep earning this salary for as long as he possibly can before he has to face the reality - West Ham / Leicester and £60k a week.
Didn't expect us to buy a left back without selling Shaw or Young. Can't blame Shaw, sit tight for a year and he'll no doubt get himself a £10m+ signing on fee at his next club.
Yeah, he is within his right to make it hard for us. I'd do the same thing. From his pov, if we didn't want him that desperately, why did we invoke our option?
I know its not the case, but I feel like its always us that get stuck with players for ages.
I would love nothing more for Shaw to prove 98% of us wrong and prove himself this season, but I just don't have any faith whatsoever.
I would love nothing more for Shaw to prove 98% of us wrong and prove himself this season, but I just don't have any faith whatsoever.
Or playing with de gea, bailly, lindelof and possibly the likes of bonucci or alderweireld, and crossing to pogba, lukaku and sanchez.
Strange post
I don't think that is strange at all. PSG has a better team and Brazil is the dominant nation there. It looks like a much better place to be, indeed.
This doesn't look good for us.
Hope Shaw doesn't leave. Fans have turned on him quite fast for dumb reasons. But he's better than Young. If Mourinho plays him way more then last season and he doesn't get bloody injured, Utd are sorted for the LB position. But since I know Man Utd, the better players are always on the bench 
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Oh really?A plastic club with no real history is better than playing for Manchester United?
I agree they have better players, that Paris is way better than Manchester, but the pull of the PL, the most watched and most competitive league in the world and the status of playing for United should be taken into consideration too
I mean it’s strange to cherry pick players to make a point. I’m not convinced Sandro is the left back we should be after anyway
Its evident that we activated that year to try and recoup some of the money we spent for him. Everton is a decent club, the ideal place for him to go and regroup. The least a player who has yet to give us 5 decent games for us is to agree to join them. Instead he seems aiming to become a free agent and get all the money himself. What an arse.
Its time like this that I wish we still had a Roy Keane in the team. If I had my way then he'll spend the remaining year having 1 to 1 training with him. Then we'll see who would be interested in signing him after that.
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Young (33)
Valencia (33)
Jones (26)
Smalling (29)
Fellaini (31)
The things that are wrong with this club. It's a shame all of those players will be starting most games for us next season.
Valencia (33)
Jones (26)
Smalling (29)
Fellaini (31)
The things that are wrong with this club. It's a shame all of those players will be starting most games for us next season.
What dumb reasons? He’s been at us for four years and hasn’t even proven to be our best LB despite his competition of that spot being Blind and Youg in that time.Hope Shaw doesn't leave. Fans have turned on him quite fast for dumb reasons. But he's better than Young. If Mourinho plays him way more then last season and he doesn't get bloody injured, Utd are sorted for the LB position. But since I know Man Utd, the better players are always on the bench
I think he has talent but given his injury record and what appears a lack of real consistent motivation it’s a massive risk to go into a season banking on him to come good.