Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain completes his transfer to Liverpool

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Hullyback said:
Really don't want him at Liverpool. An attack minded Midfielder that has a whole 9 goals in the Prem, that's assuming he's not on the treatment table giving Sturridge company.

I hope Klopp doesn't even entertain the idea of signing this clown.
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Ox is a good talent if he can stay fit.. not sure where his long term position should be, but under a manager like Klopp, guaranteed he will perform a helluva lot better than he ever did under Arsene.

A lot of people are writing him off, but they do not understand how bad a match up it is having a guy like Wenger in charge of a player like Ox.. it is a total culture clash IMO.

I think if he can stay fit which is the big IF.. he can silence alot of doubters.
 
wythyred said:
What a fool.. No where near good enough to play a central role at any top club.

He is a good RWB with potential to be a very good one.

Huge mistake that he will regret not going to Chelsea.
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Completely agree. He turned down the champions to play for Liverpool in a role he is far less suited to. This has a James Milner feel. Left City for Liverpool for games in midfield and ended up at left back!

It's another case of the incredibly bizarre English obsession of playing in the middle. The number of times you hear that a player is "wasted out wide" or "shunted to the wing" as if it is impossible to influence a game from there is really odd.

Let's hope Ox gets his chance to play centrally so he can prove himself as a true great like Gerrard rather than those who wasted their careers on the wing like Ronaldo, Neymar and Hazard.
 
Good player, but not a top one. Bit injury prone also. Could turn out to be a really good player, but still question marks over him, but maybe a move away from Arsenal would benefit him, plenty of players stagnating there just now under Wenger.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Liverpool are having a terrific window. I don't rate Ox all that highly but he strikes me as one of those players who could go up a notch or two under Klopp. They like players who can beat a man centrally and drive into space. Wijnaldum is someone I thought would make a poor CM. But he can dribble and has pace so it works under Klopp where the players don't need to be great passers because the system allows them to create chances regardless.

I don't think their midfielders play many eye of the needle passes because the set up ensure there is always space.
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How are they having a terrific window? It looks like their two main targets aren't gonna join this season. One of their best players have flat out refused to play for them. They still have glaring weaknesses in their team.
 
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Kapardin said:
First VVD, now this guy. Why does every premier league player want to go to Liverpool this season over Chelsea and other clubs? Needy for hugs from Klopp?

Or perhaps Ox thinks he won't get playing time at Chelsea due to competition.
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He wants to play CM, obviously believes he has a greater chance there at Liverpool than Chelsea, where he'd likely be a wing-back.
 
KM said:
How are they having a terrific window? Their two main targets aren't gonna join this season. One of their best players have flat out refused to play for them. They still have glaring weaknesses in their team.
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Also if we were linked with Ox, Caf would have called Jose all sort of names. Many think Perisic isn't good enough and doubted Matic, imagine what would have happened if we were linked with Ox whose goal scoring rate is as good as Lingard's.
 
roonster09 said:
Also if we were linked with Ox, Caf would have called Jose all sort of names. Many think Perisic isn't good enough and doubted Matic, imagine what would have happened if we were linked with Ox whose goal scoring rate is as good as Lingard's.
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Lingard has a better scoring rate than Ox. Ox has about 1 goal in 10 games scoring ration. Lingard has 1 in 8.
 
KM said:
Lingard has a better scoring rate than Ox. Ox has about 1 goal in 10 games scoring ration. Lingard has 1 in 8.
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Yeah and Ox played in more attacking team whereas Lingard played in a team that struggled to score.
 
jymufc20 said:
I think when a player turns down Chelsea to go play for Liverpool, you have to stop to question his mentality/sanity.
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Liverpool is still a giant name abroad, they play up at the top of the Premier League, their manager is just about in the famous core of top European bosses, their (historical) trophy cabinet is about as big as anyone's in world football, and they have all that walk alone shite. Agree that Chelsea is in the south and Chamberlain will find it harder to get in that team, but it's not such a shock that a player would pass them up for Liverpool. Indeed, it might even suggest more ambition.
 
jymufc20 said:
I think when a player turns down Chelsea to go play for Liverpool, you have to stop to question his mentality/sanity.
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Really?!

I'd do exactly the same if I were Oxlade-Chamberlain. He's in danger of squandering a career and Klopp is a coach who could get his career on track. As would Conte, but Conte might play him out of his favoured position.

I'd absolutely opt to go to Liverpool - great team spirit and a coach that can actually improve players.
 
Nuts said:
Really?!

I'd do exactly the same if I were Oxlade-Chamberlain. He's in danger of squandering a career and Klopp is a coach who could get his career on track. As would Conte, but Conte might play him out of his favoured position.

I'd absolutely opt to go to Liverpool - great team spirit and a coach that can actually improve players.
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Signing for Liverpool at his age is the best way of killing his professional football career. That club is going nowhere fast.
 
themoyesboy said:
Signing for Liverpool at his age is the best way of killing his professional football career. That club is going nowhere fast.
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Huh? They're in the Champions League and will probably stay in top four. And they've a manager that improves players. It's a no-brainer.
 
Nuts said:
Huh? They're in the Champions League and will probably stay in top four. And they've a manager that improves players. It's a no-brainer.
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He has a slight point though, he's not gonna win anything or get right to the top of the game. If he's happy with a shit champions league run and possibly a top 4 finish then fine, but he's getting that at Arsenal.
 
If AOC came in in addition to Coutinho staying (at least for this season) I'd be reasonably happy with this window. Would much prefer us getting in VVD though. Not going to pretend to know enough about Lemar beyond what I've seen and heard in the past few days to offer a judgement there.

Have to say though, I'm not sure why AOC (or anyone else) would think he stands a better chance of getting a regular CM spot at Liverpool than elsewhere. Who would he get ahead of out of the current choices, never mind when Lallana comes back, if Coutinho stays, and when Keita comes next season.

For me, he would make a great option for much-needed cover as he's a pretty versatile player, but that's about it. I'm not even sure if he'd nail down a RWB slot given the competition that's developing there now.

Alabaster Codify7 said:
Can Liverpool afford him, though?
Let's face it, if Coutinho was staying, Keita wouldnt be a Liverpool player, bids wouldn't be going in for Lemar. They walked away from Keita once coz they couldn't match the quoted fee.

But the Coutinho money will only go so far (Keita, Lemar, probably VVD).
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I've no idea if us getting players in is dependent on Coutinho leaving and, let's face it, neither do you. I'd also love to see a source for your claim that we walked away from a quoted fee for Keita.
 
Raees said:
Ox is a good talent if he can stay fit.. not sure where his long term position should be, but under a manager like Klopp, guaranteed he will perform a helluva lot better than he ever did under Arsene.

A lot of people are writing him off, but they do not understand how bad a match up it is having a guy like Wenger in charge of a player like Ox.. it is a total culture clash IMO.

I think if he can stay fit which is the big IF.. he can silence alot of doubters.
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Sorry mate but I disagree. He's had five years and done pretty much nothing in them. If he was a foreign import he'd have been labelled a flop long long ago. He wants to play CM, but what does he bring to that position other than pace? There's nothing stand out about him at all and he's a squad player at best due to his versatility.

Roy Keane nailed it the other day when he said there's never been a better time to be a Premier league player, and average players going for £35m. Ox is an average player at best. Liverpool have enough of them already without buying another, especially one made of lollipop sticks and prittstick.
 
LennonNL said:
He has a slight point though, he's not gonna win anything or get right to the top of the game. If he's happy with a shit champions league run and possibly a top 4 finish then fine, but he's getting that at Arsenal.
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You do realise you could just as easily be talking about Spurs there. Would you say him moving to you lot from Arsenal would be a career killer?
 
Hullyback said:
Sorry mate but I disagree. He's had five years and done pretty much nothing in them. If he was a foreign import he'd have been labelled a flop long long ago. He wants to play CM, but what does he bring to that position other than pace? There's nothing stand out about him at all and he's a squad player at best due to his versatility.

Roy Keane nailed it the other day when he said there's never been a better time to be a Premier league player, and average players going for £35m. Ox is an average player at best. Liverpool have enough of them already without buying another, especially one made of lollipop sticks and prittstick.
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In terms of performances/statistics, yes he has been average but in terms of talent.. I don't think he's an average talent. There is something there in terms of potential but like I have said, a pacey direct player with flair.. he should have been at United and developed into a productive player but instead he was under Wenger who prefers a different style of player. I genuinely think he made a bad career move by going there, similar to Ramsey - both of them stagnated by going there.

Remains to be seen if Ox can resurrect his career, but I for one do think under a half decent manager, there is much to unlock from him.
 
Raees said:
In terms of performances/statistics, yes he has been average but in terms of talent.. I don't think he's an average talent. There is something there in terms of potential but like I have said, a pacey direct player with flair.. he should have been at United and developed into a productive player but instead he was under Wenger who prefers a different style of player. I genuinely think he made a bad career move by going there, similar to Ramsey - both of them stagnated by going there.

Remains to be seen if Ox can resurrect his career, but I for one do think under a half decent manager, there is much to unlock from him.
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Just because players runs with the ball now and then doesn't make him good talent. His whole Arsenal career screams of bang average player with no output at all.

You can't blame everything on a manager, Ramsey looked very good player for Arsenal few seasons ago and then lost his form again. Ox never looked like a top player, at least Walcott looked like a good winger who can score goals.
 
I'm really not a fan. If he was a better player rejecting the plastics to come to us it would be oh so sweet, not him though. But he's guaranteed to improve under Klopp.
 
roonster09 said:
Just because players runs with the ball now and then doesn't make him good talent. His whole Arsenal career screams of bang average player with no output at all.

You can't blame everything on a manager, Ramsey looked very good player for Arsenal few seasons ago and then lost his form again. Ox never looked like a top player, at least Walcott looked like a good winger who can score goals.
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He has decent crossing ability, strong shot off either foot and has good work-rate, sort of wide-man who would have thrived under Mourinho if he had him as a manager at a young age.

I am sorry but Wenger is absolutely the type of manager someone can blame these days for lack of development, he is good at spotting talent but not great at pushing players to a high level these days. He accepts mediocrity.

Ox seems like an ambitious player who has accepted he isn't going anywhere with this club and manager, and that his career is at a crossroads. He can either take it easy at Arsenal, or knuckle down at a proper club under a proper manager and change the course of his career.. that is what he is seeking to do. Writing him off is in my opinion premature.
 
Ox is the type of player you know you shouldn't be buying but you talk yourself into it after the links become stronger.
 
Raees said:
He has decent crossing ability, strong shot off either foot and has good work-rate, sort of wide-man who would have thrived under Mourinho if he had him as a manager at a young age.

I am sorry but Wenger is absolutely the type of manager someone can blame these days for lack of development, he is good at spotting talent but not great at pushing players to a high level these days. He accepts mediocrity.

Ox seems like an ambitious player who has accepted he isn't going anywhere with this club and manager, and that his career is at a crossroads. He can either take it easy at Arsenal, or knuckle down at a proper club under a proper manager and change the course of his career.. that is what he is seeking to do. Writing him off is in my opinion premature.
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Yeah his crossing ability is good and sometimes make strong runs. His shot with either foot is not good, if so he wouldn't have such a poor goal scoring record.

I'm not writing him off, I just don't rate him as some sort of top talent. Barkley is younger player and showed more to his game than Ox.
 
Oga on top. said:
I'm really not a fan. If he was a better player rejecting the plastics to come to us it would be oh so sweet, not him though. But he's guaranteed to improve under Klopp.
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I think he'd suit your style of play pretty well to be honest. But it seems strange to me that you've spent another summer improving your attack when the weakness in your squad has always been your defense (or lack thereof). Would be a good signing for you guys imo.
 
Needham said:
Liverpool is still a giant name abroad, they play up at the top of the Premier League, their manager is just about in the famous core of top European bosses, their (historical) trophy cabinet is about as big as anyone's in world football, and they have all that walk alone shite. Agree that Chelsea is in the south and Chamberlain will find it harder to get in that team, but it's not such a shock that a player would pass them up for Liverpool. Indeed, it might even suggest more ambition.
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But he's not from abroad, Chelsea have a bigger (and more successful) manager, Liverpool are a tier below Chelsea and he wasn't even born last time Liverpool won the league. So really, we are just left with the 'walk alone shite'.
 
He only prefers us because he thinks he can play in one of the midfield positions currently occupied by Can and Wijnaldum.

I'll be disappointed if Chamberlain is the only signing we make before the window shuts.
 
ivaldo said:
But he's not from abroad, Chelsea have a bigger (and more successful) manager, Liverpool are a tier below Chelsea and he wasn't even born last time Liverpool won the league. So really, we are just left with the 'walk alone shite'.
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Come on, there's a bit more to them than that. They also always go again.
 
You have to hand it to the player. Going to a smaller club, so he can develop in the position he feels he belongs to shows ambition and belief, something most at Arsenal lack.

Still think he's making the wrong choice as pointed above and hopefully he loses a few points for Pool.
 
RedSky said:
I think he'd suit your style of play pretty well to be honest. But it seems strange to me that you've spent another summer improving your attack when the weakness in your squad has always been your defense (or lack thereof). Would be a good signing for you guys imo.
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His underlying numbers are pretty fantastic and apart from Sunday he's started the season well. The main thing that worries me though is his passing. Wijnaldum Lallana Firmino all make smart moves with the ball. A high footballing iq is a pre requisite, with ox you get the feeling unless he's on it he'll be charging around doing his own thing running in to blind alleys. It's one I'm unsure on, I'd deffo have him if we could have him and Lemar and certainly on a free.
 
RedSky said:
I think he'd suit your style of play pretty well to be honest. But it seems strange to me that you've spent another summer improving your attack when the weakness in your squad has always been your defense (or lack thereof). Would be a good signing for you guys imo.
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He has pace, so he should suit our style of play (see Salah) straightaway. But he wants to play in midfield and spending that much money on a player who has a year left and won't imrprove the first team feels a bit meh. Especially as you said without strengthening the defence. I'm 100% sure Klopp will improve him if we get him, so I'm not too against it.
 
Lingard does a good job for mourinho. No, he's not our best player, but he's a good squad player. don't know why he gets so much grief here.

I would not want Ox instead, nor do I think Ox would be happy to come and sit on the bench for us.
 
Liver_bird said:
His underlying numbers are pretty fantastic and apart from Sunday he's started the season well. The main thing that worries me though is his passing. Wijnaldum Lallana Firmino all make smart moves with the ball. A high footballing iq is a pre requisite, with ox you get the feeling unless he's on it he'll be charging around doing his own thing running in to blind alleys. It's one I'm unsure on, I'd deffo have him if we could have him and Lemar and certainly on a free.
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If we sign both Coutinho is off this season. I think we strengthen the squad with this deal and not the first Xl.
 
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