Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain completes his transfer to Liverpool
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Liverpool over Chavs, I guess he really doesn't want to ever get a PL winners medal. 
I would wager that Conte likely made it clear he was going to be playing mostly at RWB. I can see Liverpool using him in a more central role like Lallana.
Who cares he's a worse Walcott anyway.
Meh, I'm not that keen on him if we can get Lemar.
Imagine losing out on a player to Liverpool 
Yeah haha gutted Chels...wait.Imagine losing out on a player to Liverpool
He wants that CM position so bad.
He's not a better option centrally than Can, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Lallana, or probably Milner truth be told. On top of that they have Keita coming in next summer, who is miles ahead of him. How on earth can he figure he'll have a role centrally there? I also don't understand what it is about his playing style that makes him insist on a central role frankly-he's not a great distributor of the ball, he rarely has his head on a swivel, his close control is nothing special, etc.
If he's actually this thick then perhaps we've dodged a bullet. It's rarely nice to miss out on a player but maybe this is the exception that proves the rule? My biggest concern is the dearth of options at RWB on the market. Cancelo has gone at this point; I'd personally push for a deal for Ricardo Pereira.
Pretty much where I'm at. Lemar to me is a level above whereas AOC was always touted as in addition to Keita Salah and VVD, not as a primary addition. Given we don't have Keita till next year we need immediate quality in his position.
I think he'd thrive there but there's also no guarantees that he won't be played out wide at Liverpool, too. Can and Wijnaldum are looking really good at the moment and, if Coutinho stays, he's a top CAM that will be very hard to displace.
I think he could be a better option than Lallana or Wijnaldum tbh. Klopp got a lot more out of both than expected in those positions and I think Ox has better natural skills as a ball carrier than either, which could be very valuable in Liverpool's direct style.
I do agree with you that his insistence on playing a central role is stupid. I think Conte would have turned him into an elite RWB.
Agree with this. Interested to see Liverpool's midfield 3 with Can, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Henderson, Lallana, Wijnaldum all available. I suppose Can and Wij will miss out.
Yeah maybe, but for me Liverpool's system in central areas is about distributing the ball quickly over the top and/or into wide positions for the fast as feck front 3 to run onto at pace. The midfielders don't carry the ball as often since that is usually a slower way of breaking.
I could be wrong and maybe that would add an extra dimension to their attack, but overall I'd argue he'd take away more than he'd add, as I think he'd be significantly worse defensively, in possession, and at distributing the ball than the rest for the most part.
Yeah, I agree with you. He's a player that advances the ball by taking players on and using his speed and acceleration, not through quality distribution and playing a lot of progressive forward passes. It may be as simple as Klopp being more willing to give him the opportunity to prove himself in a central role, whereas with Conte he was always going to be strictly a wide player.
If Liverpool bench Can in favour of Ox there's just about no faster way to derail their season. Can was their best player against Arsenal and more frequently than not is the key to everything that they do. I thought he was very overrated going into last season but he improved considerably last year and is increasingly capable of dominating a midfield on his own and being the catalyst in transitioning quickly from back to front for Liverpool's counters.
Imagine losing out on a player to Liverpool
He want's to play CM. We will not play him CM, baucse he was to bad there for us.
So it's not a real loss for me. They can have him for 40Mio.
He's not making the England squad as a RWB. Which is something i imagine is in his thinking.
Definitely agree with your assessment. I think we'd both probably like to see Liverpool taken down a peg so if they're willing to compromise the way their midfield is structured to accommodate Ox then I'm all for it!
Fair point, though if he were to thrive under Conte for a competitive Chelsea team that's not certain. Tbf I'm higher on his potential as a wingback than most.
100%
Funny enough I think he'd have provided an added dimension to Chelsea's attacking play, but I don't think he adds a lot of value to Liverpool, so I'd prefer him going there.
His numbers last season are actually much better than Moses', who played under a better coach and in a better team, so I agree with you that he'd have improved both personally and I think he'd have been an upgrade to Chelsea's XI. I was hesitant over the price and reported wages, however.
No way Can will benched. Klopp would be mad to.
If he comes here and rotates with Gini when Lallana gets fit and does well it's a natural progression to the England side. Dearth of quality in the national side in that position. Mind you I would much rather have Lemar would happily have both though. We need all the quality additions we can get.
The wages on offer, if true, were pretty crazy. Likely would have had to restructure a number of others' contracts.
What I will say is his underlying numbers are excellent. Away from the Arsenal atmosphere and under a more savvy coach, if he can stay fit he's one of those players who can really burst I feel . Remains to be seen though however.
I'll confess to being a bit of an optimist-I was holding out hope that he'd rejected Arsenal's (ludicrous) contract offer out of a desire to get out of their dysfunctional situation and that he'd be amenable to signing a more reasonable deal elsewhere. If that's not the case and if the reports that he's demanding a higher wage than Hazard are accurate then I will very gladly move on to other options.
He's turned down move to Chelsea
Chamberlain needs to get this delusion of being a CM out of his head, he's not good enough to start as CM for Pool, could've been a really good RWB under Conte, of that I'm convinced.
Why does Ox suddenly think he's good enough to play CM? Especially if he ends up at Liverpool and they have Keita coming in next year. There's no room for him, even if he was a half-decent CM.
Unless I'm missing something here?
Unless I'm missing something here?
question to Arsenal fans who watch him regularly. how good is his passing in Midfield?
He would have been a good option for Chelsea on either of their wing back positions but he's not good enough to play through the middle on a weekly basis his performances and end product is there for all to see.
I can't see how any club looking to push for a title can promise a player who's never scorered more than 2 in a season a prime position within their team, it's madness honestly he should be greatful to even be at a top club.
All his traits are suited as a wide player, feck knows why he thinks he's suddenly a midfielder he will get exposed within 3 games he's not got the attributes for the role.
On a side note though it's good to see Chelsea miss out on another prime target, Conte must be on the verge of snapping, they've had a weird summer.
I can't see how any club looking to push for a title can promise a player who's never scorered more than 2 in a season a prime position within their team, it's madness honestly he should be greatful to even be at a top club.
All his traits are suited as a wide player, feck knows why he thinks he's suddenly a midfielder he will get exposed within 3 games he's not got the attributes for the role.
On a side note though it's good to see Chelsea miss out on another prime target, Conte must be on the verge of snapping, they've had a weird summer.
I am not an Arsenal fan but my friends who are Arsenal fans see his passing as his weakness. More specifically that he has a tendency to lose the ball in dangerous areas in CM. His strength is more as an CAM and carrying the ball, dribbling and pace. I'm not quite sure why he wants to play CM.
Passing, shooting and crosses are normally his weaknesses. Somethis he has a good cross like the one for Welbeck against United
No end product - it's the perfect summary. You think he has everything.. Pace, good ball controll, technic and then the final decision is crap. Don't know how he could create key passes to Mane/Salah.
Out of the loop with this whole bisnoise but has he actually said or prefers CM?
His early development and playing style was more of a CAM but like Walcott before him, he was moved to the wings.
I highly doubt he actually wants to play CM. Surely it's CAM/free roaming wide player, hence the Liverpool preference?
He had a career year last year with 7 assists.United fan mentions Mkhi´s five assists in three two one
Clearly Klopp would have to believe that he can still improve on that to justify a big fee move now.
Clearly Klopp would have to believe that he can still improve on that to justify a big fee move now.
If he indeed ends up at Liverpool then you can guarantee that his rumoured wage demands were likely false. No way are going to pay him any more than 120k. Coutinho is our best paid player at 150k!
I only really liked him as a player when he broke through as a teenager, but his decision making has barely changed. I'm not a fan at all, but if he is rejecting Chelsea it means our interest is definite and also he has a genuine desire to play for Liverpool which is admirable.
I prefer technical attributes to physical ones in my CAMs and wouldn't really want him in my midfield. So I would hope his preferences for Liverpool is because he will have more freedom in attacking positions rather than at Chelsea where he will be expected to play a disciplined role on the right flank.
Our interest in Lemar has made me want him even less. If we can get Lemar it would be the first time since 2013 that we've bought a player I 100% wanted and was sure of.
Hopefully we offer them a 20m take it or leave it offer. And remind them we'll pick him up for free in 2018. His rejection of Chelsea will have put Arsenal in a very weak negotiation position.
I only really liked him as a player when he broke through as a teenager, but his decision making has barely changed. I'm not a fan at all, but if he is rejecting Chelsea it means our interest is definite and also he has a genuine desire to play for Liverpool which is admirable.
I prefer technical attributes to physical ones in my CAMs and wouldn't really want him in my midfield. So I would hope his preferences for Liverpool is because he will have more freedom in attacking positions rather than at Chelsea where he will be expected to play a disciplined role on the right flank.
Our interest in Lemar has made me want him even less. If we can get Lemar it would be the first time since 2013 that we've bought a player I 100% wanted and was sure of.
Hopefully we offer them a 20m take it or leave it offer. And remind them we'll pick him up for free in 2018. His rejection of Chelsea will have put Arsenal in a very weak negotiation position.
How come you have such a huge wages if your highest paid player is 150K per week? There were reports that Liverpool pay total 208 Million on wages and that's 3rd or 4th highest in the league.
Also when VVD was linked there were rumors that Liverpool will be paying him 180K-200K per week.
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