Unless Kvara didn't want us, how was a motion to swap + cash not actioned? Seems baffling if this is true and they saw Garnacho as their target to replace the Georgian.
Alejandro Garnacho (out)
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Would be a huge mistake to sell him and I would seriously be questioning the ambitions of the club. We have always focused on youth and selling a player with the potential of Garnacho would be a complete change of culture.
There is a small part i dont agree.
Ruben really rates players with talent and ability.
Thing is, guys like Pedro Gonçalves (very underated) give their all for the team.
And fullfil their defensive duties.
But he played (under him) with lots of freedom, either movement, forward passing and jumping the opponent.
For most of the time, midfielders and wingers had to adjust to his decision making.
Im sure he wont lose hope on Garnacho. And he does want him to play similar role. He just doesnt seem very high on footy iq.
I’d be bloody disappointed. The youth culture and players coming through is who we are. I understand financial situations are tough, but this would sting a lot for me if he left. I think he will become a fantastic player.
Kvara wanted PSG since the summer. They've probably agreed a deal awhile ago
We’ve sold young players for years. Only the very best made it here.
I’ve no idea what we could get for him but there’s the potential for a Coutinho style windfall (obviously no where near as much) that is the catalyst for building our next squad.
I get that, I honestly do. But while he’s been in and out of squads this year he’s still put up decent numbers and missed some sitters, so for a lad his age I think he’s doing very well and will get better. Especially with the right guidance.
Maybe I’m being naive but yeah, will be disappointed. At least make 60-70 million out of it and a chunk of a sell on to soften the blow a bit.
You're probably right. But you'd think the PL clubs coming in would have thrown a spanner in those works, given the reported wage he's set to get there isn't anything special.
Maybe he has eyes for Paris, who knows.
If Garnacho and Rashford both leave, we will lack serious pace in this team.
Please don’t forget we are in a relegation battle at the moment and we need players to stay up.
There is no point in selling all our pacy players and then relying on Amad and Bruno to save us.
Let’s wait till the summer before we sell all our homegrown players.
The quality replacements we require are not available in January.
Please don’t forget we are in a relegation battle at the moment and we need players to stay up.
There is no point in selling all our pacy players and then relying on Amad and Bruno to save us.
Let’s wait till the summer before we sell all our homegrown players.
The quality replacements we require are not available in January.
Pace is not one of Garnacho’s attributes. I’d hope the intention would be to buy someone with pace which I think is the main reason we were not in for Kvaratskhelia
In isolation I wouldn't want him sold as I think he's a very talented player, one who has been over-criticised here at times. It wouldn't suprise me in the slightest if he went on to be a player we wish we kept.
That said, I don't the think the change in system particularly suits him. Maybe he'll adapt over time, but right now he does seem more disposable than he did under ETH.
That said, I don't the think the change in system particularly suits him. Maybe he'll adapt over time, but right now he does seem more disposable than he did under ETH.
If the money's right, I'd be prepared to sell Garnacho. To bring a player through the academy, have him make some important 1st team contributions, and leave at a massive profit sounds like successful bit of business for the club.
Is he a guaranteed world class player? Absolutely not. Do we need him now? Not really. There's a sentimental attachment, but letting players go when their value is high, is much better than forcing him out when it's low (like Rashford).
Ballpark for £70m sounds fair
Is he a guaranteed world class player? Absolutely not. Do we need him now? Not really. There's a sentimental attachment, but letting players go when their value is high, is much better than forcing him out when it's low (like Rashford).
Ballpark for £70m sounds fair
These kind of posts genuinely baffle me. There are levels to pace, of course (as with any other attribute) and Garnacho is not as lightning fast as, say, peak Giggs or Bale or Robben... but he's a very fast player and uses his pace well to get into goalscoring positions. Take a look at the Fulham goal for example — or the one against Everton where he ran 3/4 of the pitch with the ball at his feet before scoring.
Same goes for Kvaratskhelia. The main reason we were not in for him (we weren't?) was his lack of pace? But he's a fast player, there aren't that many comparable attackers in the world that are significantly faster than him — Williams/Mbappé/Viní for sure... probably a couple more but that's about it. Even less players if you think of him not as a left-sided attacker but as a left-sided number 10.
I agree - he doesn't currently fit in this team, is not guaranteed to become world class and his disciplinary issues are a little concerning anyway.
If selling him helps us buy other areas in the squad that addressing, I'm all for it.
Sell him. He can be explosive but lacks football intelligence for amorims system imo. Just don’t seem the best fit and we could use the profit for a much needed lwb
Oof, that’s a big call to make if we sell Garnacho so young. But not necessarily the wrong one if we get £60m.
I do agree with other posters that it would mark something of a change in the philosophy at the club to sell such a bright prospect… but maybe that’s not a bad thing?
In hindsight, I wish we’d been brave enough to sell Januzaj for big money when it was on the table.
I do agree with other posters that it would mark something of a change in the philosophy at the club to sell such a bright prospect… but maybe that’s not a bad thing?
In hindsight, I wish we’d been brave enough to sell Januzaj for big money when it was on the table.
I agree with this, at least in terms of his character. People so easily forget how young he is, and to me he always looks like he gives 100% – unlike others we could mention. Whether he fits the system is another matter.
So many players should be shown the door before Garnacho.
I hope this is bullshit. The guy has a future with us.
I hope this is bullshit. The guy has a future with us.
Like who? Besides the obvious who are leaving or trying to leave/we're trying to sell? (Casemiro, Eriksen, Rashford, Antony, Zirkzee)
Well yeah, those names before Garnacho please.
Selling one young player indicates a change of culture? Irrational is right
Well they are leaving(hopefully very soon).. so who else is he talking about? I did write "besides", so not counting them.
Edit: I don't want Garnacho to leave (yet), he's still young and can actually show with time that he fits Amorims system, but atm he doesn't, so kinda understand the rumours. Oh and, he seems to have attitude problems as well.
Would be a big mistake to let Garnacho go.
They do count though – as you've noted yourself those players might leave, but they also might not. If, or when, they do it allows us to invest. But not by selling Garnacho.
Unfortunately it looks as though the days of out and out wingers are over at United. Garnacho doesn’t fit into Amorim’s system at all.
It’s just another example of how there is no long term planning from this new regime. Back last summer we were told Garnacho was one of the untouchables (with Hojlund and Mainoo) and now he appears surplus to requirements because they’ve appointed a manager that doesn’t play with traditional wingers.
All of those plus Shaw, Malacia, Hojlund, some CB, etc...
Not saying they have to leave (specially Hojlund), but IF we have to sell, then sell those before Garnacho.
Garnacho is on a different level and eventually it will shown.
It would, but we no longer play a system that he can properly play in.
If a good offer came in, we’d have to consider it.
I know the club likes to pride itself on youth, but not all of our academy graduates reach their potential. The Class of 92 thing was a one off and the majority of the time, very few of them reach the very highest standard. We’ve done well if we can produce a player that is basic Premier League quality, let alone title winning quality.
In hindsight, don’t you wish we could have sold the likes of Januzaj, Macheda, Cleverley for a good price? Instead of giving them chance after chance, and driving their value into the dirt? It’s something we’re going to have to get good at in these PSR times. Sometimes you need to sell Keith Gillespie if you want to progress.
Obviously there’s been those allegations that he and his brother have leaked teams out and have done some undermining of the club via social media too (more so his brother)
I know the club likes to pride itself on youth, but not all of our academy graduates reach their potential. The Class of 92 thing was a one off and the majority of the time, very few of them reach the very highest standard. We’ve done well if we can produce a player that is basic Premier League quality, let alone title winning quality.
In hindsight, don’t you wish we could have sold the likes of Januzaj, Macheda, Cleverley for a good price? Instead of giving them chance after chance, and driving their value into the dirt? It’s something we’re going to have to get good at in these PSR times. Sometimes you need to sell Keith Gillespie if you want to progress.
Obviously there’s been those allegations that he and his brother have leaked teams out and have done some undermining of the club via social media too (more so his brother)
£60 million will do it.
We can go and get Mendes then.
We can go and get Mendes then.
He’s a goal scorer. You don’t sell goal scorers.
Totally forgot Malacia haha... Shaw yes I agree, permanent sick leave, some CB is Lindelof and Evans who are leaving on a free(should've included them above). Højlund I would give more time, as with Garnacho (which I posted in my post above, with an edit). If he(Garnacho) change to fit Amorims system and also change his apparent attitude issues.
At 20 he has so much to offer, even that sub appearance against Liverpool you can see how talented the boy is. His tenacity is there just be patient with him and coach him right.
He's talented but limited. Not sure if he can add the things to his game that hold him back from being genuinely world class. With the new manager and his system and PSR restraints I think selling Garna and Rashy would be pretty ideal. We have money. We don't need to sell to fund buys. We need to sell to not break the rules when we buy.
We need players in the middle of the park. If one of Mainoo or Ugarte can't play it's a guaranteed loss.
We need players in the middle of the park. If one of Mainoo or Ugarte can't play it's a guaranteed loss.
I have a feeling INEOS is cashing in on us
I'm ok with selling him for the right amount, but £50m is too low.
He is 20, if we cannot make players of his age develop and learn a new system then this club might as well be liquidated.
What do you mean by this?
Something I was worried which the Glazers would be doing. Like selling us for parts.