Alejandro Garnacho (out)

What if the new system doesn't work out? We will be back targetting potentially great wingers for 60-70 million?

Am not fully against selling him for the right price, but it would be silly if we suddenly find ourselves with grand total of 1 winger at the club. A lot of appeal for Amorim came from the fact there is room for wingers either at WB or as one of 10's. The whole approach could backfire spectacularly.
 
I wouldn’t be wanting to actively sell him but I would t be angry if the club accepted a big offer. He’s got a lot of potential but if he fulfils it I can see him wanting to go to Spain.
 
Fabrizio Romano on Facebook:

: Napoli want Garnacho NOW to replace Kvaratskhelia, reports from Italy confirm!

…and Man United would OPEN doors to the exit.
 
Irrational. said:
Would be a huge mistake to sell him and I would seriously be questioning the ambitions of the club. We have always focused on youth and selling a player with the potential of Garnacho would be a complete change of culture.
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I'd agree that it would be a complete change of culture but disagree that it'll be a huge mistake (it might be a mistake, just not a huge one). Over the recent years, we have consistently held on to youth talent(particularly if they're from the academy) for far far too long. A culture that INEOS intends to change

At the end of the day, do we really need him? Does he fit into Amorim's tactics? No. Would he end up being a world class player? Unlikely.

The reasons to keep him are mostly sentimental. He's a player from the academy and one of the better ones that have broken through, scored a lot of memorable goals in the past couple of seasons.

But you can either be sentimental or ruthless, and looking at the sort of things INEOS did after coming in, the are very ruthless.
 
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Pedulla and Romano both reporting Garnacho/Napoli links, picking up steam out of nowhere so feels real to me.
 
I'd be open to us selling Garnacho for the right price given our financial situation and the fact that he has struggled to make an impact so far under Amorim. I'd rather we waited until the summer if we were looking to cash in though, we're already a couple of players short in attack and with Rashford likely to leave, we can't really afford to lose another attacking player in January.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Selling one young player indicates a change of culture? Irrational is right
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He’s a young, explosive player who can make the difference in games and has huge potential. We wouldn’t even have dreamt of selling a player of his calibre under previous administrations/ managers. Would be the equivalent of us selling a young Cristiano Ronaldo in 2004/5.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
At 20 he has so much to offer, even that sub appearance against Liverpool you can see how talented the boy is. His tenacity is there just be patient with him and coach him right.
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I agree, he has the right tenacity and self belief that will eventually enable him to become a very productive player once he Improves his team work, which I don’t think is half as bad as some make out.
 
I would be sorry to see him leave but if we got 50m or more then I can see why we would sell him. He might go in to be worth double that but he might not get much better than he already is.

The reality is that a big sale is needed to help facilitate buying and selling players, a sacrifice like this might be required. But if we go and spend money on Muani or a loan with an obligation it would be very disappointing.
 
Irrational. said:
He’s a young, explosive player who can make the difference in games and has huge potential. We wouldn’t even have dreamt of selling a player of his calibre under previous administrations/ managers. Would be the equivalent of us selling a young Cristiano Ronaldo in 2004/5.
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This is such a hyperbolic nonsense .
 
Leaving aside any philosophical concerns around whether we should sell him or not, the more practical issue is the price.

The tweets we are responding to have cited a potential €50m (not pounds) bid from Napoli. I don't think that should be anywhere near enough.
 
Kush said:
He is 20, if we cannot make players of his age develop and learn a new system then this club might as well be liquidated.
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It's not just learning a new system though. It's the fact this new system doesn't actually have any roles that suit him.

If we're offered anything more than 50m pounds then it should absolutely be accepted.
 
Irrational. said:
He’s a young, explosive player who can make the difference in games and has huge potential. We wouldn’t even have dreamt of selling a player of his calibre under previous administrations/ managers. Would be the equivalent of us selling a young Cristiano Ronaldo in 2004/5.
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It wouldn’t. We need ready now players and it’s shown over numerous games he doesn’t fit Amorims system. Ronaldo was at a time we had WC players and was the icing on the cake. He was also a lot better player at that age and suited the system,
 
Jim Beam said:
What if the new system doesn't work out? We will be back targetting potentially great wingers for 60-70 million?

Am not fully against selling him for the right price, but it would be silly if we suddenly find ourselves with grand total of 1 winger at the club. A lot of appeal for Amorim came from the fact there is room for wingers either at WB or as one of 10's. The whole approach could backfire spectacularly.
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There is room for wingers at either wing back or 10. If they have the right attributes, like Amad.

But Garnacho doesn't have the right attributes. He isn't good enough defensively for the wing back role and he isn't creative enough or good enough in tight spaces to be a 10.
 
I would be sad, but if we got them up to £50 million, it needs to be done. We are going to have to pay for the sins of the past and I believe in Amorim and believe that the club culture has suffered greatly and we need a new direction.

If his sale means one fewer dissenting voice in the dressing room, and two new players that improve the starting eleven, we have to do it unfortunately.
 
Irrational. said:
He’s a young, explosive player who can make the difference in games and has huge potential. We wouldn’t even have dreamt of selling a player of his calibre under previous administrations/ managers. Would be the equivalent of us selling a young Cristiano Ronaldo in 2004/5.
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Or Janujaj in 2014. Who we eventually sold 2 years later for peanuts.

For every Ronaldo, there are more players like Lingard, Janujaj, keiran Richardson etc
 
push it to 55m-60m and they have a deal. The boy has already taken a nasty route having been facing various disciplinary issues. 60m pure profit could bring us a solid LB and CM.
 
sizzling sausages said:
There is room for wingers at either wing back or 10. If they have the right attributes, like Amad.

But Garnacho doesn't have the right attributes. He isn't good enough defensively for the wing back role and he isn't creative enough or good enough in tight spaces to be a 10.
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Am not sure what exactly are you arguing here. That is why I said am personally fine with selling him if the price is right (which 50 million isn't).

However, am not fine being left with grand total of 1 winger in the club.
 
George Owen said:
So many players should be shown the door before Garnacho.

I hope this is bullshit. The guy has a future with us.
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Most of those who should be shown the door before him don't really attract any real interest though.

NK86 said:
Something I was worried which the Glazers would be doing. Like selling us for parts.
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Makes total sense. Buy a luxury car for £100k, strip it and sell all of the parts for £10k.
 
Feels like rashford is basically out the door. Can't sell every attacker and I'd say we are already pretty thin up top so I think this is bullshit or his agent looking at an improved contract after amads.
 
Jim Beam said:
Am not sure what exactly are you arguing here. That is why I said am personally fine with selling him if the price is right (which 50 million isn't).

However, am not fine being left with grand total of 1 winger in the club.
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Amorim will almost certainly sign two new wing backs.

The wing backs he used at Sporting were able to play as traditional wingers so I don't think it'll be an issue.
 
waza7111 said:
Amorim will almost certainly sign two new wing backs.

The wing backs he used at Sporting were able to play as traditional wingers so I don't think it'll be an issue.
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Yeah, hope so. Btw. this is nothing against Amorim, the club is the one who should lead the recruitment
 
Berbaclass said:
Based on what? :lol:
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I am not saying they are doing that, but with the number of player out threads currently on the cafe, with there being tidbits about selling highly rated youngsters, it does feel very un-United like.
 
Wouldn't want to see him leave. He's frustrating, but he makes things happen in the final third.
 
£40m is too little. Based on “fair values” from CIES we should be looking at closer to £60m+ to consider it.
 
So Conte, world class manager, believes Garnacho is good enough to replace Kvaratskhelia. We couldn't afford Kvara so now we sell the 20 year old who Conte feels is good enough to replace him.... and we end up with neither?
 
NK86 said:
I am not saying they are doing that, but with the number of player out threads currently on the cafe, with there being tidbits about selling highly rated youngsters, it does feel very un-United like.
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The result of 20 years of mismanagement by the Glazers, Nothing to do with INEOS
 
Don’t want Garnacho sold. There is work to do with him but he has some key ingredients for a top player. 60m sounds a lot but we would end up paying more for a replacement.

Would really have liked Kvara but if he is willing to take a step down and play in France he is not the player for us.
 
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