Alejandro Garnacho (out)

Jippy said:
Yep same and it does look Garnacho is actually looking for the pass now, rather than going for glory all the time. Whether he'd be happy being used more as an impact sub is another thing, but feels daft to sell one of our few creative attacking players, even if he hasn't had a great season so far.
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I'd say that this is what it boils down to for me. If he's happy being a rotational option for now and willing to adapt/develop his game, and at the same time being a positive contributor to the team, then I'm really hoping we do not sell him. If he's making noises internally and is keen on joining the likes of Napoli, then I'd say £50m + bonuses is a good deal and that we should sell him as part of our rebuild.
If we do sell, I'd much rather prefer to sell in the summer though as it would probably be more available options to replace him with.. He's not irreplacable.
 
This is all just clickbait. No way we are selling him in this window. It would be pointless to have cash now when we can’t spend it this window anyway.

Let’s see what the PSR numbers say today. That will tell us what state we are in.

Amorim has now clearly shown us who the players are that he wants in his first team squad - and who isn’t.

Those big earners not part of his plans might get the opportunity to go out on loan, even is subsidised wages it’s better than a 100% waste.

Casemiro, Anthony, Malacia, Lindelof. Erikson will sit tight as only 5 months left but this will be our focus and of course loaning out Rashford.
 
GoldanoGraham said:
This is all just clickbait. No way we are selling him in this window. It would be pointless to have cash now when we can’t spend it this window anyway.

Let’s see what the PSR numbers say today. That will tell us what state we are in.

Amorim has now clearly shown us who the players are that he wants in his first team squad - and who isn’t.

Those big earners not part of his plans might get the opportunity to go out on loan, even is subsidised wages it’s better than a 100% waste.

Casemiro, Anthony, Malacia, Lindelof. Erikson will sit tight as only 5 months left but this will be our focus and of course loaning out Rashford.
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It's not clickbait, there are teams interested in him. That doesn't mean the club are actively looking to sell him though.
 
If we sell either Garnacho or Mainoo I'll be extremely disappointed. They're both good players now, with potential to become properly world class.

If we let them leave we'd rue that decision for years to come imo.
 
didz said:
The name constantly attached to it is Pedulla though. A man I'm certain puts the batteries back in his clock twice a day, just to ensure it's never correct.
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One of the funniest things I’ve seen on here was some one referring to him as BS Pedulla, just one of those random little things that tickles you from time to time, I guess this is why. I hope he is wrong again.
 
Adz_99 said:
If we sell either Garnacho or Mainoo I'll be extremely disappointed. They're both good players now, with potential to become properly world class.

If we let them leave we'd rue that decision for years to come imo.
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Especially as there's a 99% chance we'd just blow any money received anyway.
 
We absolutely should not sell him, especially not for the peanuts Napoli are offering. Who could replace him with that pittance?

This is a 20 year old who is a golden boy nominee. Puskas goal award winner. 20 goal involvements in 76 PL appearances. Plays for his national team.

He's hard working with a strong mentality. There are positive signs Amorim will mould him into more of a team player.

He is on an upwards trajectory. Sure, there will be obstacles but the general trend is upwards.

The only way I would consider an offer is if silly money came in (£80-90M+).
 
bitcoin said:
We absolutely should not sell him, especially not for the peanuts Napoli are offering. Who could replace him with that pittance?

This is a 20 year old who is a golden boy nominee. Puskas goal award winner. 20 goal involvements in 76 PL appearances. Plays for his national team.

He's hard working with a strong mentality. There are positive signs Amorim will mould him into more of a team player.

He is on an upwards trajectory. Sure, there will be obstacles but the general trend is upwards.

The only way I would consider an offer is if silly money came in (£80-90M+).
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Questionable
 
EvilChuck said:
I have been thinking this a lot, especially when he decided to not celebrate a goal and get a bit of a sulk on because a fan had been moaning at him before the game.
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I think that is maybe the biggest question mark over him, he just seems a bit too mentally fragile to become a top player, the stuff with the fans, liking silly posts on IG etc it's just really immature.

If he can change it then fair play to him and him coming off Twitter is a step in the right direction. Too many footballers are obsessed with what people are saying about them online.

Recent signs in the last few games and general attitude have been good though admittedly so good for him. Just needs to get his head down and work hard under Ruben and he's got a chance.
 
I'd be really disappointed if we sold him (unless he insists on going, which I don't think is the case).
The guy is a serious talent. Yes his mentality is perhaps questionable at the moment, but that doesn't mean we should get rid of him so quickly.
Not to mention that we’re seriously lacking players with strong technical skills.


I can imagine him leaving and ending up in Real or Barcelona in couple of years, and I'd be gutted to see that.
 
Cant sell him this window.
With rashford on his way out, Antony useless it leaves us with noone, so unless they've got a few lined up to come in he won't go anywhere imo
 
Mr.Plow said:
Especially as there's a 99% chance we'd just blow any money received anyway.
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Assuming the RKM links are untrue, I'd say we have turned a corner in that department. Recruitment has been good and securing Leone is another step towards that.

I think we'll amp up good recruitment over the next two three windows, but we obviously have a significant task in getting people out the door.
 
I wouldn't want him to leave because I like the way he plays and how he's responded to criticism from the manager. He's kept his head down and tried to make it work on the pitch in a system that doesn't quite suit him. Amorim can hopefully get the best out of him.
 
pocco said:
I just don’t see it with him anyway so I’m not too bothered. I think he’s overrated and I suspect that, in time, that value will only get lower. He’s no better than a lot of wingers in this league and has less ability than others who moved for less. The only issue is that it leaves us light of bodies.

There’s also the supposed issue of him leaking lineups too, which might have contributed to this.
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Our fans have a history of overrating our young players by a considerable degree, thus they end up overstaying here until their true worth shines through. We don’t know when to sell basically as evident by the overreactions in this thread.
 
pocco said:
I just don’t see it with him anyway so I’m not too bothered. I think he’s overrated and I suspect that, in time, that value will only get lower. He’s no better than a lot of wingers in this league and has less ability than others who moved for less. The only issue is that it leaves us light of bodies.

There’s also the supposed issue of him leaking lineups too, which might have contributed to this.
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Fair assesment.
 
ErikElevenHag said:
You can't operate in that way. We have hired Amorim and we should be all in on his way of playing. That isn't saying he picks all the transfers, but the profile of player being identified by the club should be the players who fit that system and the ones being sold should be the ones who don't fit it.

You don't go for a manager who has a very defined way of playing, then sign players who don't fit into that way of playing just incase it doesn't work out and hope for the best.
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The club should have a clear idea on the system and style it wants to play and that's it. Formation can be 3-4-2-1 or 4-3-3, but system and style should be the same.. The question here should be whether Garnacho can become top winger or a wide threat for an elite high pressing team. Does he have technique and mentality for it. I have my doubts, but it is extremely tricky because he is still so young. He already showed a bit of improvement in the last 2 games for Amorim, but he will obviously blow hot and cold because of his age. Another issue for me is that we would be left with only Diallo having that threat on the counter and we would be his injury away from having none (Hojlund has pace, but has hit the slump recently).

Definitely not an easy decision to make. I fully understand the club having double thoughts and that some big offer might be tempting. But I would also love to see his replacement lined up if that big offer comes in. It is probably better for this to wait summer as I don't see his value dropping much until then. The downside of it all is that it definitely shows we are in financial mess. No way that United of old would be thinking about selling someone like him and in this stage of his development. But it is what it is I guess.
 
Berbaclass said:
I think that is maybe the biggest question mark over him, he just seems a bit too mentally fragile to become a top player, the stuff with the fans, liking silly posts on IG etc it's just really immature.

If he can change it then fair play to him and him coming off Twitter is a step in the right direction. Too many footballers are obsessed with what people are saying about them online.

Recent signs in the last few games and general attitude have been good though admittedly so good for him. Just needs to get his head down and work hard under Ruben and he's got a chance.
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I'm really not too bothered about IG posts etc. I'm not convinced that is an indication of his mentality.

I like how he's not afraid to try things in games. He's a kid that can miss a 100 shots but he's still not afraid to try another. I think that speaks more to his mentality than his social media activity.
 
Ali Dia said:
If we sell him I'd imagine we go for the wonderkid Queneda at Sporting who seems a bit like a young Saka
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That’s what we need to be doing, get a player in who fits exactly into the system.

Adz_99 said:
If we sell either Garnacho or Mainoo I'll be extremely disappointed. They're both good players now, with potential to become properly world class.

If we let them leave we'd rue that decision for years to come imo.
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Aside from young Ronnie, who have fans really missed out on after we sold them? I very much doubt Mainoo is going to be sold, would be a huge fee required, as he works in this system and can play multiple positions, Garnacho not so much…
 
bitcoin said:
I'm really not too bothered about IG posts etc. I'm not convinced that is an indication of his mentality.

I like how he's not afraid to try things in games. He's a kid that can miss a 100 shots but he's still not afraid to try another. I think that speaks more to his mentality than his social media activity.
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Because his decision making is largely horrific yes.
 
Plant0x84 said:
He 20. He has time to develop before his peak. He isn’t the profile of player we should be selling, he is the profile of talent and potential that we should be buying.
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He has no place in this team. He's a kick and run winger. We need someone who can play as a 10. He may well turn out to be a great player but if he doesn't fit in the squad there's no point in keeping him.
 
I would rather we sell Rashford rather than him. 2 assists in 2 games is something solid to build upon here.
 
CG1010 said:
I would rather we sell Rashford rather than him. 2 assists in 2 games is something solid to build upon here.
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I don't think its an either or situation. Rashford is likely gone regardless. The question is whether we could also be tempted with a palatable offer for Garnacho, especially if it relieves our financial constraints and allows us to invest in players more suited to Amorim's system. More so when you consider the possibility that the Rashford deal might be a loan move or an undervalued transfer which would do little to ease our situation.
 
dubplate warrior said:
He has no place in this team. He's a kick and run winger. We need someone who can play as a 10. He may well turn out to be a great player but if he doesn't fit in the squad there's no point in keeping him.
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Yeah I don't think he has the creativity or guile to play more centrally.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Yep. If Garnacho wasn’t homegrown, people wouldn’t be having near this reaction. He’s been largely atrocious this year apart from some decent production, and as it’s been stated before his flaws aren’t things that suddenly get ironed out with more game time.

If there’s an opportunity to get a big price on him we’d be smart to do so. Instead of me having to read 3 years down the road how “he’s still only 23” when he continues to do the same shit
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Largely atrocious apart from 11 goals and assists you mean ? It’s a great output from someone in and out of the team and just 20 years of age . We have a very strange fanbase.
 
Kaos said:
I don't think its an either or situation. Rashford is likely gone regardless. The question is whether we could also be tempted with a palatable offer for Garnacho, especially if it relieves our financial constraints and allows us to invest in players more suited to Amorim's system. More so when you consider the possibility that the Rashford deal might be a loan move or an undervalued transfer which would do little to ease our situation.
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Rashford deal may not help much in terms of transfer value or help immediately, but any savings on his wages alone that amount to 15.6 million per year, will help United finances a lot.
 
Sell but at the right price. Napoli have the money, so it would be ridiculous for them to lowball us.
 
Red00012 said:
Largely atrocious apart from 11 goals and assists you mean ? It’s a great output from someone in and out of the team and just 20 years of age . We have a very strange fanbase.
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Have you been watching him play football? Had more bad games than good.
 
Weird that this is a possibility. Despite having an up and down season the kid has scored 8 goals in all competitions and I am sure has made a decent amount of assists too. On top of that we are light in numbers in the homegrown department. Unless we are planning to buy some English/British talent at exorbitant prices, selling a talented 20 year old who would count as homegrown would be really odd. Our attacking department is very light too. With Rashford in the doghouse and Mount permanently injured we only have Bruno, Amad, Zirkzee and Hojlund for three positions. That's not enough depth as we are still in three competitions.

He sometimes is a bit selfish and can come across as a bit abrasive, but I am sure Ruben is the right man to make his talent shine through. I would like him to stay and prove himself under the new manager. If it doesn't work out then we can move him on next winter or the summer after.
 
Insanity said:
Weird that this is a possibility. Despite having an up and down season the kid has scored 8 goals in all competitions and I am sure has made a decent amount of assists too. On top of that we are light in numbers in the homegrown department. Unless we are planning to buy some English/British talent at exorbitant prices, selling a talented 20 year old who would count as homegrown would be really odd. Our attacking department is very light too. With Rashford in the doghouse and Mount permanently injured we only have Bruno, Amad, Zirkzee and Hojlund for three positions. That's not enough depth as we are still in three competitions.

He sometimes is a bit selfish and can come across as a bit abrasive, but I am sure Ruben is the right man to make his talent shine through. I would like him to stay and prove himself under the new manager. If it doesn't work out then we can move him on next winter or the summer after.
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If we sold him we would obviously bring someone in.
 
CG1010 said:
Rashford deal may not help much in terms of transfer value or help immediately, but any savings on his wages alone that amount to 15.6 million per year, will help United finances a lot.
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The deal alone might be enough (when coupled to getting the likes of Casemiro off our wage book too) to get us out of hot water, but likely wont be enough to generate funds for transfers. The unfortunate reality is players like Garnacho are probably our most sellable assets and realistic path to being able to fund additional signings. We aren't going to be getting anything substantial for offloading the likes of Lindelof and Eriksen.

Mind you I wouldn't let Garnacho go for anything south of £60million. He's definitely a top prospect, and we shouldn't be bullied by notoriously cheap Italian clubs who wouldn't hesitate to demand double what they're offering if the shoe were on the other foot.
 
Anything less than 70m for Garnacho would be a joke. He's a top prospect who has proven he can perform at the highest level plus given his young age, we would be mad to sell him at a knockdown price.
 
Berbaclass said:
If we sold him we would obviously bring someone in.
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We already need a striker and a LWB. Rashford is more than likely to leave and then there are question marks over Casemiro too. I don't think we are bringing in replacements for all of them if they leave.

To add: Anyone coming from another league will need time to adjust. It's better to keep the player who is familiar with the league and has spent the last two months working on Amo's system then getting a new player.

We are the favorites (on paper) for the Europa league and are likely to progress to the next round of the FA cup, plus there 18 league games remaining. We need players who can perform right now.
 
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dubplate warrior said:
He has no place in this team. He's a kick and run winger. We need someone who can play as a 10. He may well turn out to be a great player but if he doesn't fit in the squad there's no point in keeping him.
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Exactly. I don't know why this is so hard to grasp.
 
Insanity said:
We already need a striker and a LWB. Rashford is more than likely to leave and then there are question marks over Casemiro too. I don't think we are bringing in replacements for all of them if they leave.
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I know and I think at the right price that is why the deal would be interesting as it would allow us to potentially address multiple areas.
 
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