Alejandro Garnacho (out)

[CG1010]

The deal alone might be enough (when coupled to getting the likes of Casemiro off our wage book too) to get us out of hot water, but likely wont be enough to generate funds for transfers. The unfortunate reality is players like Garnacho are probably our most sellable assets and realistic path to being able to fund additional signings. We aren't going to be getting anything substantial for offloading the likes of Lindelof and Eriksen.

Mind you I wouldn't let Garnacho go for anything south of £60million. He's definitely a top prospect, and we shouldn't be bullied by notoriously cheap Italian clubs who wouldn't hesitate to demand double what they're offering if the shoe were on the other foot.

Again this would be a bad logic to sell him. If we sell him purely to "raise funds" then we have a problem as our buying strategy hasn't been great and in any case, there is an inherent risk with any transfers. What most clubs who have successfully done this is that they have either made the best of the situation where a player does want to move on, so to get the most money out of it, or when the player is clearly unfit in the system. If we do determine that Garnacho isn't fit to be in the system, it really begs the question that if somehow Amorim doesn't work out, what do we plan to do next? As a club we need to learn from past mistakes of having wildly different managers succeeding the other and needing the squad to be completely reshaped. We really should plan a more holistic strategy vis-a-vis a player who at 18 years age scored 7 PL goals.

 

[CG1010]

He has no place in this team. He's a kick and run winger. We need someone who can play as a 10. He may well turn out to be a great player but if he doesn't fit in the squad there's no point in keeping him.

At 19, do we know for sure what type of player he is? Till now he has played only under a manager who wanted him to play on the counter-attack. As far as I understand, Amorim does want his #10s to make wide runs progressing ball rapidly (kind of how Garnacho did in buildup for Bruno's goal against Arsenal). He is definitely far from finished product for Amorim's system and we shouldn't have to rely on him at 19 as our main attacking threat, but another approach to selling him could be to put him on a 3 year development path to mature as a player and not overburden him. He may flourish to showcase new skills that we don't think he has right now.

 

[Berbaclass]

Again this would be a bad logic to sell him. If we sell him purely to "raise funds" then we have a problem as our buying strategy hasn't been great and in any case, there is an inherent risk with any transfers. What most clubs who have successfully done this is that they have either made the best of the situation where a player does want to move on, so to get the most money out of it, or when the player is clearly unfit in the system. If we do determine that Garnacho isn't fit to be in the system, it really begs the question that if somehow Amorim doesn't work out, what do we plan to do next? As a club we need to learn from past mistakes of having wildly different managers succeeding the other and needing the squad to be completely reshaped. We really should plan a more holistic strategy vis-a-vis a player who at 18 years age scored 7 PL goals.

I think you are looking at it the wrong way. The point of having a 'game model' is that it puts less emphasis on the coach or a specific system. The footballing structure have decided that this is the one we want to build and we appointed Amorim to fit that and will buy players to fit the profile of it too.

We won't be going from one extreme to the other of styles anymore.

 

[AB_89]

I really hope we keep hold of him and these are just your standard press rumours. He is an exciting young player with bags of potential and a never say die attitude. He could develop into a top player, so for £40-50m I would be very disappointed if we sold. However, if bids come in around £60-70m a tough decision would need to be made and I would probably change my mind day to day which is right!

 

[Adz_99]

That’s what we need to be doing, get a player in who fits exactly into the system.


Aside from young Ronnie, who have fans really missed out on after we sold them? I very much doubt Mainoo is going to be sold, would be a huge fee required, as he works in this system and can play multiple positions, Garnacho not so much…

Pogba when we ended up paying a record transfer fee to get him back.

 

[Red00012]

Have you been watching him play football? Had more bad games than good.

He had a good 1st season and has had a difficult 2nd season just like Mainoo. It doesn’t mind we should be selling them though. I’d prefer if we just offloaded Antony.

 

[sugar_kane]

It's a really tricky situation because you need to sell players when their stock is high, but also at the point when you know they're not going to be to the standard we need. It's very difficult to ascertain the latter while the former is still the case but there is a sweet spot. In many cases in the past we've tried to offload players about 2/3 years after it's been clear to everyone that they're not good enough or have attitude issues.

In Garna's case, maybe it is a case of him just not fitting the system but to be honest I'm sceptical. He's young enough still to adapt.

My main worry about him is less around ability but around mentality, there have been enough red flags already to suggest it won't work out with him long term and we could do with offloading before these become more apparent to potential suitors.

I trust Amorim to make the right decision. Less so the club.

 

[waza7111]

Again this would be a bad logic to sell him. If we sell him purely to "raise funds" then we have a problem as our buying strategy hasn't been great and in any case, there is an inherent risk with any transfers. What most clubs who have successfully done this is that they have either made the best of the situation where a player does want to move on, so to get the most money out of it, or when the player is clearly unfit in the system. If we do determine that Garnacho isn't fit to be in the system, it really begs the question that if somehow Amorim doesn't work out, what do we plan to do next? As a club we need to learn from past mistakes of having wildly different managers succeeding the other and needing the squad to be completely reshaped. We really should plan a more holistic strategy vis-a-vis a player who at 18 years age scored 7 PL goals.

I've seen a few people mentioning this. Amorim's preference is to use wingers with a bit of defensive ability at wing back rather than defenders with a bit of attacking ability which he's using now (Maz and Dalot).

He did the same thing at Sporting in the initial stages as mentioned by some of their fans on this forum. Once the team had gotten used to his system, he introduced attacking wing backs on both sides.

His first choice wing backs at Sporting in his last few games were Araujo and Quenda. Both are listed as wingers/forwards and have played there many times throughout their careers.

So I expect the new wing back signings to be wingers with some defensive ability so there'll be no issues about not having natural wingers in the squad.

 

[NK86]

I think you are looking at it the wrong way. The point of having a 'game model' is that it puts less emphasis on the coach or a specific system. The footballing structure have decided that this is the one we want to build and we appointed Amorim to fit that and will buy players to fit the profile of it too.

We won't be going from one extreme to the other of styles anymore.

How many top coaches or managers out there play a 3-4-3 exclusively? I don’t buy this theory of a game model being imposed by the management, else the point of extending Ten Hag and buying players like Zirkzee make no sense.

It is likely the hierarchy thinks we may get good money for a player who is not a perfect fit for the current manager, but that’s a risky reason to sell a player with high potential. What if Amorim does not work out and the next manager plays the traditional 4-3-3? Do we then sell our #10s that we supposedly are looking to buy now and again start buying wide attackers?

 

[Insanity]

I know and I think at the right price that is why the deal would be interesting as it would allow us to potentially address multiple areas.

Not in January. Already half the window is gone and we have done shit so far. It's not easy to get 2-3 deals in January.

 

[CG1010]

I've seen a few people mentioning this. Amorim's preference is to use wingers with a bit of defensive ability at wing back rather than defenders with a bit of attacking ability which he's using now (Maz and Dalot).

He did the same thing at Sporting in the initial stages as mentioned by some of their fans on this forum. Once the team had gotten used to his system, he introduced attacking wing backs on both sides.

His first choice wing backs at Sporting in his last few games were Araujo and Quenda. Both are listed as wingers/forwards and have played there many times throughout their careers.

So I expect the new wing back signings to be wingers with some defensive ability so there'll be no issues about not having natural wingers in the squad.

Yeah I also read those comments by Sporting fans. Look I don't feel the need to conclude that at 19, Garnacho can't fit into Amorim's system. My point is precisely that the club needs to ensure there is flexibility to transition players into differing roles in a different system of a manager.

 

[Red_toad]

Pogba when we ended up paying a record transfer fee to get him back.

We didn’t sell him.

 

[Giggsy13]

This is Napoli making all the noise to appease their supporters who won’t be happy that they’re selling a key player while in the midst of a title race. I understand our club has put out there that no player is untouchable, but there are players that we value very highly and Garnacho is one of them. I believe he stays and adapts to Amorim’s demands and approach.

 

[Tallis]

I get the feeling that we are completely doomed from a PSR perspective and need to have a big pure profit sale to balance our spending in the summer. We sold almost 90m of academy product in the past summer for our 210m spending. The 60-70m for Garnacho may be the only way to have a big window.

 

[DJ_21]

Amorim did mention he's having to adapt his game to suit Amad & Garnacho better ... and also help them to be both inside & outside forwards to make them more unpredictable. Garnacho and Amad could cement their position for the next 10 years if used right. We'd be mad to sell Garnacho.

We’d be mad to sell any of them 2. Madrid are sniffing around Amad and will probably want Garnacho at some point. The 2 Spanish clubs are always after young talent from the prem.

 

[Red in STL]

Yeah I don't think he has the creativity or guile to play more centrally.

In the past wingers have often become full backs, Garnacho has the potential to be a WB but it's up to him, if he doesn't adapt then I don't see a long term future at United with the formation we seem to be set on using

 

[Joosep_K]

Sad that Garnacho and Mainoo out topics are more active than Casemiro and Antony, who should be the main ones to sell instead.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I’d like us to keep as I like his rabbid and direct intensity. But I wouldn’t say he’s unsellable as he’s not a perfect fit (yet) for the system and I wouldn’t say that he’s a top talent. Should require a huge fee for anybody to get him though.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Largely atrocious apart from 11 goals and assists you mean ? It’s a great output from someone in and out of the team and just 20 years of age . We have a very strange fanbase.

If you can’t distinguish performances from output (especially when a good amount of that was in the league cup against Barnsley) I’m not sure what to tell you. Anyone who’s watched Garnacho would tell you his best attribute right now is probably his positioning in the final third

 

[Berbaclass]

Sad that Garnacho and Mainoo out topics are more active than Casemiro and Antony, who should be the main ones to sell instead.

They are harder to sell due to wages.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

At 19, do we know for sure what type of player he is? Till now he has played only under a manager who wanted him to play on the counter-attack. As far as I understand, Amorim does want his #10s to make wide runs progressing ball rapidly (kind of how Garnacho did in buildup for Bruno's goal against Arsenal). He is definitely far from finished product for Amorim's system and we shouldn't have to rely on him at 19 as our main attacking threat, but another approach to selling him could be to put him on a 3 year development path to mature as a player and not overburden him. He may flourish to showcase new skills that we don't think he has right now.

Well he’s 20. And has been getting significant first team minutes for 2 and a half seasons now. So yeah we sort of know what type of player he is.

People are doing the same thing with Garnacho that they used to do with Rashford. Just endlessly citing age without factoring in actual top level experience. It’s not like Garnacho is still getting his feet wet and accustomed to playing PL football consistently

 

[Oldyella]

Sad that Garnacho and Mainoo out topics are more active than Casemiro and Antony, who should be the main ones to sell instead.

Harder to sell poor players. Especially on the wages we give them

 

[imonkmc]

na zama na stha (always found it to be rediculous and funny but it still works back home) @ translate to Not mine and not yours bargain strategy and settle on Anthony for 40mil

 

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

Im sure a lot of our fan base are just trying to find their new Rashford and begging for these players sales.

Soon as Rashfords moved out the squad they instantly find another.

Just no element of patience or support.

Disgusting fanbase.

 

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

Well he’s 20. And has been getting significant first team minutes for 2 and a half seasons now. So yeah we sort of know what type of player he is.

People are doing the same thing with Garnacho that they used to do with Rashford. Just endlessly citing age without factoring in actual top level experience. It’s not like Garnacho is still getting his feet wet and accustomed to playing PL football consistently

Proof. Just some fans trying to find the new Rashford now that Rashfords leaving.

Horrible people. Garnacho is good enough at the age of 20 and has 2 assits now in the last 2 games against the 2 best teams in the league.

If that cant shut your mouth for 2 weeks then there isnt much more 2 say.

 

[Giggsyking]

 

[Berbaclass]

 

[Berbaclass]

Just for some context this is the current financial situation. Not great…

 

[Crimson King]

The latter doesn't really change the former, it's just a more eye catching way of phrasing it

 

[Berbaclass]

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Proof. Just some fans trying to find the new Rashford now that Rashfords leaving.

Horrible people. Garnacho is good enough at the age of 20 and has 2 assits now in the last 2 games against the 2 best teams in the league.

If that cant shut your mouth for 2 weeks then there isnt much more 2 say.

I’ve yet to come across a point of yours on here that made a modicum of sense.

 

[Giggsy13]

Garnacho and Mainoo are not going to be sold, stop buying into the hysteria.

 

[red_de_pologne]

Well he’s 20. And has been getting significant first team minutes for 2 and a half seasons now. So yeah we sort of know what type of player he is.

People are doing the same thing with Garnacho that they used to do with Rashford. Just endlessly citing age without factoring in actual top level experience. It’s not like Garnacho is still getting his feet wet and accustomed to playing PL football consistently

Yikes what a horrible take.. yes we know, a player that as an 18,19 years old was impacting games in the PL. Simply name another player aged 20 or under, who is having similar output in PL or even other top 5 leagues. Now say which one would be even remotely considered buyable.

 

[Amsterdam Devil]

I like Garnacho but also have no problem selling him for 70m if it helps the club forward.

 

[Ekeke]

£70 million wouldnt be the end of the world. I hope that in selling Greenwood and Sancho for cheap last summer we've learned not to let players go too easily and that we wouldnt accept less than 70 for him.

 

[Nickosaur]

I still think Garnacho could be moulded into a wingback in Amorim's system. But it would take time to adapt, and while I'd prefer we kept him, I wouldn't be completely against a big offer (£75m+).

 

[red_de_pologne]

 

[The Cat]

I still think Garnacho could be moulded into a wingback in Amorim's system. But it would take time to adapt, and while I'd prefer we kept him, I wouldn't be completely against a big offer (£75m+).

Yeah 42m can get the feck out of here.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Yikes what a horrible take.. yes we know, a player that as an 18,19 years old was impacting games in the PL. Simply name another player aged 20 or under, who is having similar output in PL or even other top 5 leagues. Now say which one would be even remotely considered buyable.

You realize the entire point of the thread is speculating on his actual transfer value relative to future value right?

Name one thing Garnacho has markedly improved on since coming into the squad? The only one that a case can be made is his defensive work rate and attacking positions he takes up.

We shouldn't be looking to buy another 20 year old thats going to average a goal or assist every 3 games in the PL while having poor overall play. The entire point is buying a player of higher quality with the 60m or so we'd get from selling him.

 

[hobbers]

I think it's pretty clear Garnacho and his entourage are fuming that he's only on a £50k a week contract that runs until 2028.

The old United would at this point be offering him £200k a week to kill these rumours, just as we did with Martial and Rashford.