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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) look forward to a new life under Ruben Amorim. What system will we be playing? What players will impress? and how will it all go? We also say goodbye to Ruud Van Nistelrooy and review United's 3-0 win at home against Leicester City.
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He won't be anywhere near match fit after 6 or so weeks out and they said at least 6 weeks, I would say he's done for this season based on that
The international break coming when it is, is kinda ideal for us. Weve seen players return quicker than usual especially when younger. Hopefully thats the case for him.
For sure KWPs tackle wasn't as bad as these, and he was obviously trying to get the ball unlike these examples, which were all very cynical. I think Mane might actually slip, hard to tell.
I think for me there just needs to be a slight recalibration of what a bad tackle is. If you can't tackle without scissoring your other leg, then it isn't a tackle you should be making. You're endangering your opponent just by doing so.
On the other hand, I think we need to get away from the idea that as soon as studs make contact it should be severely punished. I know many people agree with the Casemiro red, but I think he's awfully unlucky. His studs are going down onto the ball and bounce off and up into the player. He's trying to get the ball just as much as KWP was. I'd wager that bounce off the ball took most of the power out of the tackle as well, whereas Garnacho took the full weight of KWP on his foot/ankle. Casemiro's tackle isn't wild and contact only happens because he gets the ball first. It's what I'd call a hard yellow, or an 'orange'card, just because he's obviously going for the ball, and does in fact get it.
Studs can obviously do a lot of harm, but players very rarely intend to do so. Casemiro was sent off for serious foul play, but can you really call an unfortunate stud into the shinpad, where no one was hurt, that serious? Does it deserve an automatic 3 game ban? At the very least, they need to add a new category of red card/suspension in there. Casemiro doesn't deserve to miss 4 games for that tackle.
My dad joked after the game that maybe players should stop wearing boots with studs, and everyone should wear some kind of reinforced sock with something to create friction on the bottom to stop slipping. He meant it as as joke, but maybe he has a point!
Not sure how they'd work in the rain though...
Gutted for the boy. It was a horror challenge that should have at least been called out as a foul even though the defender got the ball, though I admit no malice was intended. It’s naive to say this, but I really don’t understand why the officiating in the prem is so crap.
What about Luke Shaw's injury to a dangerous scissor tackle and how far that set him back? Eriksen's injury resulting from Andy Carroll's deranged attempt to win the ball?
These challenges are calculated and downright cynical. The defenders know exactly what they are doing from the moment they jump into a tackle like that. Kyle Wanker-Peters challenge on Garnacho is no exception, but he'll get away with it because he's 'KWP' from Southampton.
People in the press are letting this slide because it happened to one of our young players and because they are eager for any excuse to cast Casemiro as their new villain. Having 'studs up' is a kind of mindless obsession now; did Casemiro's studs being up actually have much of an effect? It was more about what could have happened than what actually did happen.
Very sad for Garnacho.
These challenges are calculated and downright cynical. The defenders know exactly what they are doing from the moment they jump into a tackle like that. Kyle Wanker-Peters challenge on Garnacho is no exception, but he'll get away with it because he's 'KWP' from Southampton.
People in the press are letting this slide because it happened to one of our young players and because they are eager for any excuse to cast Casemiro as their new villain. Having 'studs up' is a kind of mindless obsession now; did Casemiro's studs being up actually have much of an effect? It was more about what could have happened than what actually did happen.
Very sad for Garnacho.
For sure KWPs tackle wasn't as bad as these, and he was obviously trying to get the ball unlike these examples, which were all very cynical. I think Mane might actually slip, hard to tell.
I think for me there just needs to be a slight recalibration of what a bad tackle is. If you can't tackle without scissoring your other leg, then it isn't a tackle you should be making. You're endangering your opponent just by doing so.
On the other hand, I think we need to get away from the idea that as soon as studs make contact it should be severely punished. I know many people agree with the Casemiro red, but I think he's awfully unlucky. His studs are going down onto the ball and bounce off and up into the player. He's trying to get the ball just as much as KWP was. I'd wager that bounce off the ball took most of the power out of the tackle as well, whereas Garnacho took the full weight of KWP on his foot/ankle. Casemiro's tackle isn't wild and contact only happens because he gets the ball first. It's what I'd call a hard yellow, or an 'orange'card, just because he's obviously going for the ball, and does in fact get it.
Studs can obviously do a lot of harm, but players very rarely intend to do so. Casemiro was sent off for serious foul play, but can you really call an unfortunate stud into the shinpad, where no one was hurt, that serious? Does it deserve an automatic 3 game ban? At the very least, they need to add a new category of red card/suspension in there. Casemiro doesn't deserve to miss 4 games for that tackle.
My dad joked after the game that maybe players should stop wearing boots with studs, and everyone should wear some kind of reinforced sock with something to create friction on the bottom to stop slipping. He meant it as as joke, but maybe he has a point!
Not sure how they'd work in the rain though...
For record as I was still lucky enough to grow up during a time when winning the ball was still all that really mattered. I don't really think either KWP's tackle or Casemiro's are fouls or warrant a booking. Got the ball fairly, got a bit of the man that's a bonus.
But the game the way it is today, I can see why Casemeiro got sent off and I also see why people think that KWP's tackle should have been punished.
Maybe, there should be some sort of post match reviews that determine the punishment based on the severity offence.
I agree with the misconception about the studs-up tackle.
The danger doesn’t stem from the sharpness of the studs, which is what people seem to think. The danger with a studs-up tackle is when someone is running in a direction and leads with the foot and a straight leg, where the knee joint is fully extended and basically locked. That leads to the full force of the tackling player (based on weight and speed) being transferred to the leg of the opponent which can have disastrous consequences if the tackled player’s leg is planted. A tackle with the side of the foot can never have that energy transfer because the tackler will rotate and mitigate the impact
In the Casemiro situation, since the leg isn’t straight, you can see Casemiro’s leg bending at the knee joint upon contact with the shin and absorb/mitigate the actual impact, because the knee gives way since it’s not locked in a straight position.
Like you say, the danger of tackles needs to be reassessed and analysed for what the danger actually is in terms of force exerted on the opponent. For example, most people would think that any tackle with the studs is more dangerous than a scissor tackle because that’s what we’ve been conditioned to think. However, as we’ve seen with Eriksen and Garnacho, the tackles that cause injury are not the ones where studs make contact, but the ones where a player’s body weight is transferred to an opponents bone or joint.
He is expected to be out for 6 to 8 weeks.
He is expected to be out for 6 to 8 weeks.
Why does he put his name in quote marks?!
Ffs. These injuries are really getting on my nerves now. Are we having worse luck than anyone else, or does it just seem that way? I guess our situation has been exacerbated by Casemiro’s suspensions, Sancho’s issues and the whole Greenwood thing.
He is expected to be out for 6 to 8 weeks.
Another quality player taken out by a lower standard cart horse player with no repercussions.
Yeah they are not comparable at all. Not sure why so many people feel the need to defend this type of tackle when it has always been considered a foul to take out the leg of a player from behind when sliding even if you win the ball as well. AWB almost never does that and I remember him being called for fouls on the times that he hasn't.It seems like you haven't watched the YT-video of AWB you yourself posted earlier today.
I'm doing overtime at work now so I have plenty of timeSo I watched the whole thing and counted the tackles, sad aren't I?
31 tackles in total, only ONE of them looked like a scissor tackle, at 42 secs. The other 30 were all clean one legged tackles.
Injuries are part and parcel of the game, every team has them and we've had relatively no more than average, Martial doesn't count, he get's injured when he stands up
It's mad how much this could actually affect our season. He's been incredible off the bench, and we've got feck all there now
Because that's just his artistic name. His real name is Ali Gun, but he chose Alejandro Garnacho, cause he thought it was easier to remember. Also, "Gun" gves associations to shooting, and he didn't want a name associated with other sports.
This is hilarious.
I guess you haven't seen his tattoos? The kid works in mysterious mercurial ways.
A little more encouraging update than the Garnacho tweet, as at least ETH discusses the likelihood of seeing Garnacho again before the end of the season.
But still sounds like he's going to miss most of it, and how match fit he can get even if he returns before the end of the season I'm not sure.
But still sounds like he's going to miss most of it, and how match fit he can get even if he returns before the end of the season I'm not sure.
Ffs. He was even called up for Argentina and how that's ruined too. Poor lad.
Rotten luck we've had with these ankle injuries to Erikson and now Garnacho
Deleted an Instagram post from his house with what looked like a vape in it today, reposted with it removed
Hopefully not his.
Hopefully not his.
We're missing him. He can change the game off the bench and we've got no one to throw in and make a difference now.
He likes to be different. He doesn't put the quotes in quote marks but instead his name. What a legend.
It was similar to Casmiro in that it wasn't exactly a lot of force behind it or a heavy tackle, it was just unfortunate because of the speed at which they approach the tackle. Those tackles used to be allowed and they still are, as long as you get the other player to back out from the tackle, if the player doesn't know these tackles are coming they are much worse, especially when you hit the player in such high speed because you might inadvertently squeeze someones legs in a scissor tackle or have your foot bounce off the ball and hit a players standing foot. That's why it's considered reckless.
When is he due back?
Thought it was sometime in May
basically in time for the last few matches of the season. Still pisses me off that Casemiro gets suspended for 4/5 out matches for a foul that barely bothered the player.Meanwhile, we have had 2 bad tackles on Erikson and Ganarcho with long-term injuries and no yellows for those players.
He loves ripping on Barcelona. Evidently a Madrid fan but he’s our player atm so it’s all good while it lasts.
I have found Barcelona fans to be so arrogant since we took them on this season. They truly are an entitled bunch.
They keep saying how they own us in Europe. Forgetting it took their best side in history and us at our lowest under Moyes to lose to their club in Europe.
We knocked them out of Europe a fair few times but apparently those don’t count
I have found Barcelona fans to be so arrogant since we took them on this season. They truly are an entitled bunch.
They keep saying how they own us in Europe. Forgetting it took their best side in history and us at our lowest under Moyes to lose to their club in Europe.
We knocked them out of Europe a fair few times but apparently those don’t count
Emmm....He loves ripping on Barcelona. Evidently a Madrid fan but he’s our player atm so it’s all good while it lasts.
I have found Barcelona fans to be so arrogant since we took them on this season. They truly are an entitled bunch.
They keep saying how they own us in Europe. Forgetting it took their best side in history and us at our lowest under Moyes to lose to their club in Europe.
We knocked them out of Europe a fair few times but apparently those don’t count
You what?He loves ripping on Barcelona. Evidently a Madrid fan but he’s our player atm so it’s all good while it lasts.
I have found Barcelona fans to be so arrogant since we took them on this season. They truly are an entitled bunch.
They keep saying how they own us in Europe. Forgetting it took their best side in history and us at our lowest under Moyes to lose to their club in Europe.
We knocked them out of Europe a fair few times but apparently those don’t count
I'm guessing he said something about last night's trashing?He loves ripping on Barcelona. Evidently a Madrid fan but he’s our player atm so it’s all good while it lasts.
I have found Barcelona fans to be so arrogant since we took them on this season. They truly are an entitled bunch.
They keep saying how they own us in Europe. Forgetting it took their best side in history and us at our lowest under Moyes to lose to their club in Europe.
We knocked them out of Europe a fair few times but apparently those don’t count
Yes. On Insta with a cheeky remark plus the copying Pedri’s celebration. 100% the guy is a Madrid fan.
Makes sense too he’s not trying to hide it. Kid is making his early moves to get in their good books plain as day.
Straight swap Garnacho for Vini Jr? Play in the same position so would make sense
He loves ripping on Barcelona. Evidently a Madrid fan but he’s our player atm so it’s all good while it lasts.
I have found Barcelona fans to be so arrogant since we took them on this season. They truly are an entitled bunch.
They keep saying how they own us in Europe. Forgetting it took their best side in history and us at our lowest under Moyes to lose to their club in Europe.
We knocked them out of Europe a fair few times but apparently those don’t count
We wish
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Like that he doesn't rush players and adopts a long term strategy with them all
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