Did they even VAR check it? You can injure players in the area as long as it is a scissor tackle and you take the player out after first hitting the ball.
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Agreed. The club must make a public announcement. Two players out after bad tackles while Casemiro is suspended 4 games.
I think the follow through happen naturally. He can't leave his trail leg behind can he. There's no real force involved. Just an unfortunate tangle
Personally I like strong challenges, its a contact sport. However I don't think this particular one was all that strong. That everyone was a bit surprised Garnacho was in that much pain is telling. It didn't look a particularly heavy tackle. As opposed to Carroll who chucked his entire bodyweight at Eriksen going first.
Well it’s natural in the sense that it doesn’t disobey the laws of physics. He slides towards Garnacho with his centre of gravity moving in the direction of Garnacho’s planted foot and the leading foot wrapping around in front of him. The thing that makes a scissor tackle dangerous is that it doesn’t give the tackled body part anywhere to go, as we saw with Garnacho. His ankle probably twisted under Walker-Peter’s’ body weight and as he has the momentum, the body just kept going and applying more pressure on the ankle while Garnacho could do nothing to alleviate the pressure.
Compare that tackle to someone going studs in on a non-planted leg (like the one Joao Felix was sent off for) and most people will agree that studs up is a big no-no and the one on Garnacho was fair. In reality, if you were to consider actual force in terms of physics and not “he’s gone in with too much force there innit” then it’s much more dangerous to slide and basically sit in someone’s ankle than kick someone in a leg that is hanging in the air and will just bounce back off.
Gutted for him. He is having a breakthrough season. The player wasn’t even punished! First the sending of Casemiro and the penalty and this.
I completely agree, there were serious injuries after seemingly " fair" tackles like the one on Garnacho just as many as studs on planted legs, even if they don't look that nasty. The whole theory that studs on non-planted legs is a straight red is an obvious exaggeration just for the cameras and viewers who never kicked a ball in their life.
The whole body weight of a human being on your leg is very very dangerous.
Just like the situation with handballs currently that no one knows what is allowed and what not.
Terrible referring imo.
Unfortunate, but I don’t think it was a foul
Really hope he's back as soon as possible. He's our only out and out direct winger. I'd probably trust him to change a game more than either Sancho or Antony right now.
Ffs. 2 big injuries for us now because of scissor tackles. They're seriously more likely to injure someone than studs up tackles.
Awful news.
We're doing so well this season, and fully deserve a great ending which would really help with momentum going into the transfer window and next season.
However injuries / suspensions are really beginning to become a significant issue. Very hard to juggle 3 tournaments with squad management when you're getting less and less of a 'squad' to manage.
Really need Martial to somehow became fit and available and, even more unlikely, remain so for the remaining games. Otherwise we're going to have extra minutes for Elanga. If Sancho and Martial can somehow find form / fitness, then the Garnacho absence is very manageable. If they don't, then it's another big loss.
But, still, a midfield regularly missing Casemiro and Eriksen (and currently Sabitzer) - is the huge issue. Without those great addictions, it's just back to the last eras CM's minus Pogba.
We're doing so well this season, and fully deserve a great ending which would really help with momentum going into the transfer window and next season.
However injuries / suspensions are really beginning to become a significant issue. Very hard to juggle 3 tournaments with squad management when you're getting less and less of a 'squad' to manage.
Really need Martial to somehow became fit and available and, even more unlikely, remain so for the remaining games. Otherwise we're going to have extra minutes for Elanga. If Sancho and Martial can somehow find form / fitness, then the Garnacho absence is very manageable. If they don't, then it's another big loss.
But, still, a midfield regularly missing Casemiro and Eriksen (and currently Sabitzer) - is the huge issue. Without those great addictions, it's just back to the last eras CM's minus Pogba.
Nope, it was a great tackle
Same people moaning will laud AWB for this exact same thing.
Just unlucky with how his leg got caught.
Edit: Just for reference in case anyone wants to dispute it.
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Exactly this
Sigh. Casmeiro, Eriksen, Martial and now Garnacho. Squads taking a lot of hits now.
That's the way long seasons go.
FFS. We have 2 players out with serious, long term injuries yet the players who made those tackles didn't even so much as get a yellow card. Meanwhile you have casemiro who will miss 7 games for a grabbing someone's collar and a fair tackle.
I disagree. I don't think there's any need to do the scissors motion at the end of that tackle. It's far more dangerous to opposition players than what happened with Casemiro.
I feel like this is something they did try to clamp out at some point? That initiative seems to have lasted all of 5 minutes.
Feel sorry for Garnacho. He's been great.
All this talk about it being a red card tackle are nonsense though. Probably a foul and I'd understand a yellow if given but never a red. Lets just move on and not become all RAWK
All this talk about it being a red card tackle are nonsense though. Probably a foul and I'd understand a yellow if given but never a red. Lets just move on and not become all RAWK
Hopefully a speedy recovery for the lad. Time to ban those type of tackles or make them red card if done again
Well that's AWB screwed then
I'm not confident about that after Garnacho's post. That didn't read like the kind of message a person who'll be back in a few weeks would post.
Would have loved to see a mention along the lines of 'I'll be back to help us challenge for trophies later in the season'. That would have filled me with some hope. But the tone read more like a player whose out for most / all the rest of the season.
6 weeks takes us to end of April so his season's done basicallyI'm not confident about that after Garnacho's post. That didn't read like the kind of message a person who'll be back in a few weeks would post.
Would have loved to see a mention along the lines of 'I'll be back to help us challenge for trophies later in the season'. That would have filled me with some hope. But the tone read more like a player whose out for most / all the rest of the season.
It's not a deliberate scissor motion.
It is almost impossible to do a slide tackle like that without bringing your other leg through, unless you want to dislocate your hip.
Nothing wrong with the tackle, there's probably 100s of similar tackles done without the opponent getting injured every week.
Rotten luck for us and the lad. Between Eriksen and now Garnacho.
AWD doesn't do the scissor motion with the trailing leg. It was KWP's left leg that did Garnacho.
No. He doesn't tackle like that at all.
He does.
Literally every player who makes that type of tackle brings their other leg through like that. It's almost impossible not to.
The only problem here is that Garnacho's trailing leg got caught. Most times the player manages to get out of the way of that. Very rarely do they get caught the way he did.
It's unlucky, but there is nothing wrong with that tackle.
It seems like you haven't watched the YT-video of AWB you yourself posted earlier today.
I'm doing overtime at work now so I have plenty of time
So I watched the whole thing and counted the tackles, sad aren't I?31 tackles in total, only ONE of them looked like a scissor tackle, at 42 secs. The other 30 were all clean one legged tackles.
Hope he can come back to feature some more this season, it's been a very good break through season anyway.
We always get a key injury around now who misses the rest of the season
When it rains it pours
I disagree that it’s just unlucky. It’s a direct consequence of the direction and momentum of the tackle. If Walker-Peters doesn’t slide with his centre of gravity towards Garnacho’s planted food, it can’t get stuck underneath him.
Unlucky from Garnacho’s perspective would’ve been if Walker-Peters was going in a different direction and a mole popped up from the grass that made KWP change direction mid-slide with no way for him to change direction and avoid the collision.
That Southampton game was savage. Couldn't really have gone worse bar actually losing.
I dunno, I used to play CB for years and never scissor tackled anyone like that. It seems like you only bring your other leg fully around to protect yourself, or in an attempt to be ready to get up quickly.
I think it's perfectly possible to make that tackle without bringing the leg around and trapping the attacker's foot.
True. Long term injury, 4 game suspension, and to play 60+ minutes with 10 men probably took a lot out of the tank of a lot of the players. Brutal.
You hope for home games against bottom of the league to be the kind of game you can cruise through without getting out of 2nd gear, which we really needed.
We will miss him
Not particularly relevant...but I always remember Bale getting criticised for saying he would dive to avoid injuries.
Sadly it's a skill Garnacho will need to learn, as his style of play will always put him at risk from bad challenges! Diving out of the way is probably the safest option for him to avoid injures.
Sadly it's a skill Garnacho will need to learn, as his style of play will always put him at risk from bad challenges! Diving out of the way is probably the safest option for him to avoid injures.
Yes it's looking like late April or the first week of May the earliest possible return for him.I'm not confident about that after Garnacho's post. That didn't read like the kind of message a person who'll be back in a few weeks would post.
Would have loved to see a mention along the lines of 'I'll be back to help us challenge for trophies later in the season'. That would have filled me with some hope. But the tone read more like a player whose out for most / all the rest of the season.
Even in that time frame he's going to miss a lot of important matches in three competitions.
there will be at least six games in May - maybe even more if we get to latter stages of cups.
It seems like you haven't watched the YT-video of AWB you yourself posted earlier today.
I'm doing overtime at work now so I have plenty of time
31 tackles in total, only ONE of them looked like a scissor tackle, at 42 secs. The other 30 were all clean one legged tackles.
I did and there are quite a few where he brings the trailing leg around. I don't think What KWP did is a deliberate scissor tackle. It's just part of the natural movement of his leg coming around.
This is a scissor tackle.
And this
And this...btw.. just look who the ref is there and only gives a yellow. Edit. That's Kevin Friend not Marriner - always get those two mixed up.
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